The mark of the beast is probably the act of communion.

It is not a metaphor for Blood. It IS the Precious blood, changed from wine to
the aactual presence of Jesus, body and blood, soul and divinity.

Holy Communion is not symbolic or metaphorical. So those of us who know it is real are compelled to defend it.

Missing Blue Sky,

It is not a metaphor for Blood. It IS the Precious blood, changed from wine to the actual presence of Jesus, body and blood, soul and divinity.

If you say so,.. I dare not ask for proof, in fear that my whole thread will end up being completely derailed. But it seems that, that notion is an opinion which can only be proven with the usage of Faith. Just as my statement is also an opinion. However, if it is the 'precious blood' and not a metaphor for blood, that's a bit disgusting. I can't see how drinking blood is deemed okay and alright.

Holy Communion is not symbolic or metaphorical. So those of us who know it is real are compelled to defend it.

Again, whatever you say,..
But seriously defend it as you wish, I see no wrong doing in that.

Hot_Wings, (check up on the 9th commandment)

All he stated to my reply was, “Your sooo mean you nasty person you.”

No, actually I said: "Well, thanks for the insults. Much appreciated. Courtesy would have been nice, and kind."

You say I am derailing your thread when I am speaking to the accepted definitions of what Holy Communion is? This is not derailment, it is debate.
Whatever I say?!!

Yes, whatever I say, Catholic Theology says, Martin Luther says, etc...I am not the only one.

There are ONE BILLION Catholics and 1.1 other billion christians...that 2.1 Billion People who take holy communion!!!

www.adherents.com...

Missing Blue Sky,

Sorry for the misunderstanding, I did not mean you personally would derail the thread if I were to ask for proof.

Okay so, 2.1 billion people take holy communion and?.. I'm still basing your previous statement on an opinion. Even if 3 billion people decide to receive communion, doesn't warrant your opinion as being anything more than, well, just an opinion. As is mine. Be it Martin Luther, Catholic Theology and anyone else here on earth you'd like to throw into the mix. You have an opinion as do I, but when it comes down to it they are both merely opinions, unless one can be proven to be factual, and without doubt that is,..

.02

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John the Divine Patmos Basillica and Baptistry link you requested.

www.meandertravel.com...

click on monasteries and holy cave

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Missing Blue Sky,

Thank you for the link. Very intriguing looking place. Love the view in the picture of patmos, with the white houses on the cliff(?) below. I'll have to read through it all when I get a bit more time. Thanks again for the link.

Er, maybe I missed it, and it's fairly late for me so I well may have, but where does the "required for commerce" part of the mark of the beast come into play?

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It is from the Book of Revelation, it is a prophesy. Here is a link that describes it:


www.countdown.org...

Acceptance of the mark will condemn the person to hell

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Sure and I know it's place in revelations, thank you for thelink though. Imeant in the original post by violet in terms of the Communion. Last I checked, communion itself, which is not a wholly Catholic thing, is not required to buy things.

Rune Spider, in regards to commerce I am not certain(as of yet) whether or not this 'clause' has yet to come into play or whether it has already passed. So, it is possible in my opinion that in a future year the act of communion may or may affect commerce. However, I feel strongly that in past years(in ancient times) the act of receiving communion enabled people to excel in commerce, where as the act of refusing communion prohibited and made difficult the act of commerce, being as that they refused a very important part of the religious ritual. This would have been important as Religion was not seperated from state in many parts of the world to my knowledge.

I will, continue to dig for a source, In attempt to either back up or negate the idea.

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Has anyone considered the possibility that walking around wearing fashion labels on all your clothes fulfill the prophecy? Consider how having the right label is so important to folk these days.

Not being able to buy or sell with out it - perhaps this is a warning about allowing multinational conglomerates to monopolise all commerce. They desire to have a hand in every transaction - everything sold with a label on it. Think about it - how many things can you buy these days that haven't got a label on them?

Wearing the mark on your forehead and on your hand could be a metaphor for the influence that it has on your thoughts (head) and deeds (hand) - gotta have the right trainers, the right jeans, the right sportswear - kids have gotten mugged for their trainers just cos they're a coveted brand name. And that word, brand - wearing these labels is like branding yourself.

I could go on, but I just thought I'd throw in enough for folk to think about.

The beast is a human. And the beast is borne out of ouer human doctrin. As he has been boren many times before

The beast is not a fool. He will have almout every one on his side when he comes to power.

What dose it mean that he will have us all under his spell. What could that spell be if not politics.

The beast is not a God so he cant do anny magick. Not annymore magick than we have invented with sciense.



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Spy66,

Please elaborate on what exactly that has to do with the so-called 'Mark of the beast'?

If the beast is a human, which I do not disagree on that notion, than please share your thoughts on what the mark is.

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In my humble opinion, the mark of the beast is already upon us in the form of a satanic ritual called "Circumcision".

Who thought that one up?

Originally posted by agent violet
Spy66,

Please elaborate on what exactly that has to do with the so-called 'Mark of the beast'?

If the beast is a human, which I do not disagree on that notion, than please share your thoughts on what the mark is.

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Well i think we are looking for the wrong signs in wrong order. The number is not important realy. Because when the beast gets to put his number on us. It is to late to figure this out. By that time you will have only a few chouises. Either youre inn or your out.

First off all if we are going to take something physicall onto ouer self it is because we want to do it. Because we belive in a political system or doctrin. We will make it a law to use the tools made by this system. And when tings becomes a law. We can use force to implement it onto others. This is where the barcodes and chips might comes in to the picture.

The beast is a human, and it has a number, and its number is 666. I think the number is a political acceptance from us that we support the beast.

The beast knows that if he goes online with a barcode or a chip with out belivers=support. He knows that he will have a religios rebelion on his hands. And thats not going to work in his favour. He will blow his cover. There has to be another plan.

The beast has to get us to belive in him first. The beast has to get us to worship his system. By worship i mean you falow the doctrin or the system of the beast with out hesitation. By doctrin i mean a political system. The Bibel warns us of falowing the words of a Human.

Maybe the nuber 666 = Create a political system = Humans worshiping the system = political power. This creates a Beast and a beast like system.

And this makes sense to because what is politics realy for !

It is a system to satesfy human needs only: Is it not! And politics is a anti christian system if you look at it . Politics dose not care about God, But it lets us belive in A God, But the system will not let us falow other rules then the political system has made for us to falow. By time this system will drive us ferther and ferther away from the knowlage of God. Thats why God say: I had to shorten the time or there would be no one left to be saved.

If i am not wrong the 666 is a human number and it stands for human creations. Its not a name of a person. It is a system created by humans for humans to worship and falow. So i think the system comes before the beast. We will ferst prepare the political stage then the Beast comes alive.

Conclution: The mark of the Beast = The system we worship = The system will have a leader = Beast

The number of the Beast is the last thing we will see or feel. The way he is preparing us for his worship is the clue. Because when his doctrin becomes the law. You will have to fight the goverment and the polise to bypass the political doctrin. Becuase you will not be abel to By,Sell,work,travel or resive goverment bennefits with out falowing the political doctrin.

If you wait for a barcode or the chip to come into the picture you have already been worshiping the beast for a long time. And by that time it will be to late to reject the barcode or the chip. If you do!!! It will divide you from the people who accepts it. They will try and force it on to you one way or another. By making new laws for it.









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I just love when people quote the bible out of context. In the original post the passage of Numbers 6:3 is referenced even though it has nothing to do with normal day to day life. It is part of the requirements for Nazarites. Nazarites also would not cut their hair during their period of dedication to the Lord. This is by no means a requirement for all people. Only people who chose to spend a set period of time dedicated to God. Also this is not set to one specific tribe of Israel, any Israelite could do it. And it was for variable lengths of time depending on the person choosing to take the vow.

Originally posted by zombiemann
I just love when people quote the bible out of context. In the original post the passage of Numbers 6:3 is referenced even though it has nothing to do with normal day to day life. It is part of the requirements for Nazarites. Nazarites also would not cut their hair during their period of dedication to the Lord. This is by no means a requirement for all people. Only people who chose to spend a set period of time dedicated to God. Also this is not set to one specific tribe of Israel, any Israelite could do it. And it was for variable lengths of time depending on the person choosing to take the vow.

Maybe thats why you never understand. Out of context what dose that mean realy. The Bibel uses many contexts to set an exampel of a event. It is all about the massage.

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This is an egotistically male view, I lol when I read this one.

The mark is something not hidden under our clothes, not just for men, it will be visible to all, required by the state and commerce and or the church and very difficult to say no to.

Grown men given free will have a difficult time agreeing to circumcision...and I just cant imagine men haveing to show their dinggelhopper to buy a Pepsi.