Prosecutor: Ohio mother put baby girl in microwave

Originally posted by justamomma

Originally posted by rileySo if someone (for example) is hearing voices that are telling them to kill you think they should just be put to death after they've killed rather than having them recieve some sort of mental health care to prevent it in the first place? That mentality is not only dangerous but short sighted.

Huh? Where did you come up with that out of what I said?

Note the part where I said "for example". You're talking about vengence yet we are talking about mental illness.

We were discussing an incident where a mother *was* found guilty of placing her child in a microwave and turning it on. She didn't just have the thought.. she carried out the act

Putting a baby into a microwave is obviously NOT normal behaviour.. wanting to understand her motives could prevent it from happening again yet you have deemed this (paraphrased) "insane dangerous mentality".

Prosecutors said Arnold intentionally put her baby in the microwave oven and cooked the child to death after a fight with her boyfriend.

Arnolds' cellmate testified that Arnold confessed to putting the baby in the microwave and turning it on because she was worried her boyfriend would leave her if he found out the child wasn't his.

The baby's DNA was found inside the microwave in Arnold's apartment, prosecutors said. A forensic pathologist testified that the girl likely died after being burned in the microwave oven for more than two minutes.

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Why are you reposting what I've already read?

[edit on 31-8-2008 by riley]

"For example" is noted.

Since you addressed me though, I want to make it clear that I never stated anything that would concur with the silly line of thinking you are proposing and am actually baffled what that has to do with the topic of the thread.

As far as understanding it..

She is a defect who killed her one month old baby girl. Not much more to understand. Strap her down and send her soul on to be judged!

And I assumed you had not read it considering that your question had no relevence to my posts. I never insinuated that should a woman have a thought to do harm to her baby she should automatically be put down.

My stance on that issue is GET HELP POST HASTE!!! But this woman did not do so and showed that she cared more about herself than her children by her actions even prior to the incident of discussion.

There is a big difference btw this woman and those who have a random thought come into their head that concerns and troubles them deeply.

reply to post by FRIGHTENER


What can I say? Listening to BS all day makes me defensive. Just had to point out the main arguement against gay adoption is that gays make bad parents. But again never heard of a gay couple microwaving a baby to death.

reply to post by FRIGHTENER
How sad. Some people should not have the privledge of having a baby.



[edit on 1-9-2008 by ofhumandescent]

reply to post by Krieger
How do you know "gays" make bad parents? I only know three gay couples myself, but they are nice, honest, gentle and loving. I feel honored to call these six people friends. I can't imagine Pat, Paul, Cindy, Olivia, Tom or Peter ever doing that to a baby ever.

You see prejudice is prejudice, don't judge someone by their sexual preference, judge each and every person by their own merit.

Originally posted by Krieger
reply to post by FRIGHTENER

What can I say? Listening to BS all day makes me defensive. Just had to point out the main arguement against gay adoption is that gays make bad parents. But again never heard of a gay couple microwaving a baby to death.

I hear ya Krieger, thanks for reply.

Nope, never heard of a gay couple microwaving a baby. But I guess I can
understand if people would make an argument against gay adoption, the
majority of our population is straight; so perhaps they think it would be,
say, unnatural for a child to grow up in a gay household? I don't know.

Me, I'm straight, but I would encourage ANY loving people to adopt...
The world is filled with lots of orphans. What a shame, that the baby who
was murdered couldn't have been put up for adoption, instead, huh?

Originally posted by ofhumandescent
reply to post by FRIGHTENER

How sad. Some people should not have the privledge of having a baby.

Extremely sad!

And I agree, having a child IS a privilege! One that obviously should have
been denied for the 'mom' in this case! I'm so glad you think so, too! And
glad you brought up the topic. I have so many questions about HOW to
determine if someone is, you-know, "qualified?" to have kids!

I have been asking new moms what I consider to be a simple question:

"Why did you have a baby?"

The answer is always the same:

"Because I wanted a child of my own."

WANTED?

This answer disturbs me, personally. It is NOT a good enough reason to
satisfy my curiosity, whatsoever!

WANT is a sin, in my religion. So I try very hard not to use that word in
my life, AT ALL! Maybe that's why I see so many little kids "wanting"
everything, for nothing, these days! They can't help themselves, they are
born into sin, to mothers who "wanted" !!!

What, specifically do you think about the privilege of chilbirth?

In response to Jacqua

You know what I find it absolutely shocking and disturbing that there are people out there who think like you do.

Killing still persists??? Killing will ALWAYS persist, just as adultery, stealing, lying etc all will.

We are human beings, and as human beings sometimes we don't always play by the book. On a cellular level we may be driven by chemical reactions but on a higher level we are driven by emotions.

It is not merely a matter of us being human, it is about us being alive. Every form of life, be it a microscopic bacteria or a blue whale kills other forms of life. There are also many animals that commit adultry, incest and so on. Of course the animals dont see it that way, but the point is there is no way to end it completely from this earth.

As humans we understand when these acts are perpetuated against other humans against their will, that is a crime against humanity. No killing the murder will not reverse the crime, or stop EVERY similar crime from ever happening. However, it will certainly stop the culprit from ever committing such atrocities again, and does in fact serve as an example to the general populace believe it or not.

Unfortunately, there are in fact thousands, dare I say millions of people who, if there were no system of law, would be murdering and raping and looting anythign and everything in sight. you can deny it all you want, but everyone here may very well know people personally who would submit to that very level if there were no laws in place to punish them for it.

If you know someone, or are someone who has ever stated "I wish that wasnt illegal" , that is a perfect example of how our laws and justice by example has an affect on potential crimes. I am not trying to deem every human being a criminal, and it is not my intent.

My point is that punishment and laws are in fact a deterrant to crimes. The only logical fact is that death penalty serves the same purpose. Just because it did not serve as an example to a murderer today, does not mean it's very presence has not averted the thoughts of hundreds from doing the same. Laws and their punishment keep societies civil.

This lady requires a bullet to the head ASAP, and that is regardless of any disorders she may have suffered from. It is too late to diagnose and treat the disorder now, she already went ape#.

BEGONE FOUL DEMON FROM THIS EARTH!!

reply to post by ofhumandescent


I think you misunderestimated me. I was arguing FOR gay adoption, not against. By pointing out that the main arguement against gay adoption is that gays will make bad parents. But again never heard of a gay parent microwaving a baby.

I have to backup Kreiger here, I interpreted it as him supporting gay adoption, but as you were not posting in the clearest of ways, the message may have been vague to those who misunderstood.

Originally posted by DYepes

This lady requires a bullet to the head ASAP, and that is regardless of any disorders she may have suffered from. It is too late to diagnose and treat the disorder now, she already went ape#.

BEGONE FOUL DEMON FROM THIS EARTH!!

Call up the Boondock Saints, theres rough work to be done here

reply to post by FRIGHTENER


Careful, I have made statements to that regard on here before and been savagely attacked because of them. In that thread I seemed to stand alone on the thought that some people should not be allowed to have children and such.

“It is not anyone’s right to decide who should have children” and “That sounds like NWO talk to me” is what I was told. “Who gets to decide” and “What business of it is yours who has a kid” is what I was asked.

I agree though there should be some sort of license to breed or some sort of mandatory birth control until a person is ready and fit to have a child. It seems many forget that a child is a person but also someone who has yet to do anything wrong. So that makes a child of more value than people like this woman’s right to have a child. She should not have been given the right to have a child.

For what it is worth you can go here to read my two posts in the thread.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
I never said the plan was perfect and did not need to be planned out more. But it is surely better than just allowing any fool conceive a child.

Raist

Originally posted by Raist
reply to post by FRIGHTENER

Careful, I have made statements to that regard on here before and been savagely attacked because of them.

Thanks Raist, for the caution, and link, appreciate that. Star!

In that thread I seemed to stand alone on the thought that some people should not be allowed to have children and such.

Not any more, I'M with you.




[edit on 9/5/2008 by FRIGHTENER]

Originally posted by Raist
Careful, I have made statements to that regard on here before and been savagely attacked because of them.

Being savagely attacked should never stop anyone from posting their true opinion. Usually if you can withstand the attacks long enough like minded folks will come along and support you.

reply to post by Raist
by your suggestion you are exactly at her level and don't even see it.

I guess humanity hasn't grown up.

It's still the same group huddled around the gallows, gleefully calling out, off with her head, let me get another hanky so I can get some of the blood, oh do you think she'll scream after it's off?

God, the whole gruesome bunch of you have sunk to EXACTLY THE SAME LEVEL as this poor deranged women but you just don't see how primitively bloodthirsty and exactly like her you all sound.

Yes, it's sad the poor baby was killed but doing horrible things to this absolutely crazy woman won't bring the baby back, won't solve anything, it's just revenge and if that's what you want then you're all as mad as she was.

Rember, Regan (another Republican) closed down all the public mental institutions in the 80's well this person belongs in one.

reply to post by ofhumandescent


I never said I was not wrong for my thinking. I never said it would bring the baby back.

But I can say that each of us as adults has done wrong in our life we all deserve some sort of punishment I am sure. The baby though was innocent. The baby might not come back because of what I mention, but the woman might see what the baby felt in its last minutes of life. I am human as a human I have little or no regard for garbage like this woman.

Sitting back and talking all sweet to her while allowing her to have a nice life is not going to bring the baby back either. It is not going to teach her a lesson or anyone else like her a lesson either. Either way you go nothing is really taught to anyone. At least my way she see and feels the pain of death for a very long time.

Raist

reply to post by Sonya610


Thanks for the “keep your head up”. Some times on here we need those sorts of things.

Even from those we do not always agree with. After all it is the only way we can learn from one another in the end.

Raist

Originally posted by ofhumandescentbut doing horrible things to this absolutely crazy woman won't bring the baby back, won't solve anything, it's just revenge and if that's what you want then you're all as mad as she was.

Actually, works for me .. but then again, that's me. You might label me as a mom though instead of mad. *shrugs*

THE EVIL THAT MEN DO LIVES ON AND ON







- IRON MAIDEN-

reply to post by FRIGHTENER


humans were made in the image of god

that woman was a #ing # for doing that to that poor kid

so...god must be a #ing # too