Fossils on Mars - A Collection of Evidence

reply to post by zorgon


Just want to tell you that I care. Therefore it is not true that nobody cares. Theory debunked! Unless perhaps I am a nobody...?

Seriously, zorgon, I don't think for a second that I am the only one who is grateful for the things you bring to the table here at ATS. And I certainly follow the links you provide and read documents. Your work is not waisted.

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alot of grasping of straws here

Originally posted by fleabit
Fossils are rare. Go take a walk sometime, even in an remote mountain, or hilly countryside, where not many folks go. Look for fossils. See how many you find.

You have GOT to be kidding me... You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Try turning off the computer and go out into the real world

Any place where you find limestone you will find TONS of fossils
Any place where you find shale you will find TONS of fossils

Gobi desert Dinosaur bones are just lying around on the surface eroded out of the rock by winds
Road cuts are great... and rain washes out new ones daily from the mud rock

Maybe you just don't know where to look... just ask the local rock hound group in your area. Best place is limestone quarries... just ask permission and go on a Sunday

They don't form on the surface. Typically almost all are deposited as sediments by moving water.

Would you PLEASE stop spreading such disinfo... Ever heard of petrified wood? Its lying around all over the Arizona and Nevada desert. Those are tree fossils formed by silicas replacing the organic material. Opal beds same thing in Australia and Nevada the wood and sea shells are replaced by silica spheres...

THIS is the Gobi Desert... these people are picking up specimens just lying on the ground... dinosaur bones... I have a huge egg from the Gobi




National Geo did a special on that area skulls etc just lying on the surface

Sandstone Fish
Gobi desert


Same in Utah near Delta... pay the owner 20 bucks in a few hours you will have hundreds of dollars of specimens... same in the Trilobite beds in Delta

Here is a fossil just lying in the open on an eroding cliff


Eroding cliffs reveal new fossils every year.
www.novascotialife.com.../200


If you are going to debunk at least know what you are talking about

There is a reason that the most abundant fossils found on our own planet are marine fossils.

The reason is there are a lot of oceans and seashells reproduce in multitudes... but dino bones, petrified trees, etc are found all over the deserts in the US, China and other places What is RARE is full specimens intact...

I am willing to bet you have walked on fossils and never noticed them

But you know what? Who cares... believe what you wish...
Denying ignorance around here is a full time job



September is here and the rocks are cooler... time to go get more

reply to post by zorgon


Even though I am what most here would call a believer, about the only image that jumps out at me is the rotellini and another of a pointy shell. Other's look interesting enough to have a second look or investigate further, but they are kind of hard to see for me.

The trillobite in particular is so dark in the mars picture that I cannot really make it out on my relatively decent monitor. I would have appreciated an enhancement of that area (a luminance boost) in addition to the picture of the known trillobite for a side to side comparison.

-rrr

reply to post by zorgon


Mr Zorgon, you do come up with a lot of different ideas.
While I can't say these are definately fossils, they are anomalies and the idea cannot be ruled out. The photos are a good example of anomalies that some can try to explain as rocks, but would need to be brought back for further analysis. Scientist do believe that Mars had oceans and possible life. Even ancient life would be an incredible find.

I always look forward to your posts, as they do interest me. Starred and flagged

Originally posted by rickyrrr
The trillobite in particular is so dark in the mars picture that I cannot really make it out on my relatively decent monitor. I would have appreciated an enhancement of that area (a luminance boost) in addition to the picture of the known trillobite for a side to side comparison.

Well sure I can brighten it up... but all I have to work with is that tiny picture from the PDF file... Not sure what your monitor settings are or if you have a good graphic program If not U2U me and I can get you a free copy of an older program that works great

I will pull a comparison for you but there really is no tirlobite on that rock.. it was a 'what if' joke from NASA at a presentation so the 'dark' trilobite is only an Earth specimen anyway.. but if you want I can still do the lightening and comparison

Originally posted by kidflash2008Scientist do believe that Mars had oceans and possible life. Even ancient life would be an incredible find.

Thank but you can drop the Mr

There is no question that we don't know for sure... so far these are the best images to suggest fossils that we have found in the huge data base available. Personally I wish those people who spend time arguing would use that time looking through some images, but they probably wouldn't see anything anyway

There is no question that there was water on Mars in the past a LOT of water

Bluebird did extensive research on that here but she left suddenly and all here image links went with her accept what we had put on my site...

Stellar X also has reams of documents on Martian water, just look up his posts

Huge River Delta

reply to post by zorgon


Actually your both right. They do form underground so to speak. Through various processes, they are buried and replacement occurs. Then through weathering and erosion they are exposed.

Huge numbers of vertebrate fossils are lost every year from the North Dakota - Montana area south through many states below. They weather away, uncollected. One big reason is the vertebrate fossils are illegal to collect except under the circumstance they happen to be found on a homestead patented prior to the 1880's I believe. I've always thought it sad how many are lost because the academicians with the politicians firmly in their hip pockets don't want anyone but them to touch them.

For the fossils sake it is best if they are unearthed rather than weathering to the surface as they remain in better condition. Sue, the T-Rex was found on a farm that met the requirements for the patented homestead and even then they had to go through court to keep their own property as the government and others tried to steal them by lying in court. Luckily for the owner the truth won that time.

In southern Utah where Dinosaur bone replaced by gem quality agate is plentiful (I know many locations, I'll never reveal), they enforce with huge fines. As a result much of it will not be collected as its location goes to peoples graves with them.

What were we talking about Old age, rambling thoughts an don't laugh you will be like this soon

You misunderstood... I did not mean they are NOT formed that way as well...

My point was that they were not RARE, they they are found all over the place just weathering out of rocks and lying on the surface to be picked up...

As to the stupidity of the government saying you cannot touch them... they use the justification that they need to be left for posterity yet as you say the weather just eventually destroys them.. what kind of moron made this decision?

Oh wait... forgot... gubment

Here in Nevada there is a site that has arrow heads, pottery shards etc... the university comes out... collects specimens to study and leaves a little flag. When done they replace the pieces... Yup good move way to go gotta preserve the site

Weekend comes... and all the ATV'ers tear up the place as its the most popular ATV site around... but take an arrowhead home.. hell that be a federal crime

On the National Geo documentary the narrator picked up a Hadrasaur that was literally just lying around in the Gobi... he talked about how common these were in the area... they were like sheep in their day... everything wanted to eat them....

When done he literally tossed the skull back on the ground...

I really wanted to bash that guy... you have no idea... I even looked up his name...

Now on Mars we have the Rovers grinding them to powder well that's what Hoagland claims

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reply to post by NephraTari


I just looked at all the pictures and I have to say the "artifact" picture definitely looked faked. Right away I noticed it looked like they used a blur tool to create the "artifact". Its probably already been stated a hundred times in this thread.

Originally posted by fleabit
Fossils are rare. Go take a walk sometime, even in an remote mountain, or hilly countryside, where not many folks go. Look for fossils. See how many you find.

What are you talking about? I can go in my back yard in Ohio, dig up some dirt and find fossils on the rocks. It might take me 10 minutes to find my first fossil.

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reply to post by Dronetek

none of that changes the fact mars only had the first very violent billion years of our solar system to create complex life. The chances of that are pretty much nil







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Originally posted by yeti101
reply to post by Dronetek

 

none of that changes the fact mars only had the first very violent billion years of our solar system to create complex life.

I completely agree with you.

Thats a very good argument that I never thought of.

[edit on 30-8-2008 by Dronetek]

Originally posted by Dronetek

Originally posted by yeti101
reply to post by Dronetek

 

none of that changes the fact mars only had the first very violent billion years of our solar system to create complex life.

I completely agree with you.

Thats a very good argument that I never thought of.

[edit on 30-8-2008 by Dronetek]

Pardon me, but just a question. How do you know this to be true.

Water is still flowing on the surface and if water has been on Mars for billions of years, there is no reason not to suspect that life, in many forms, may have existed throughout this entire period.

We also have no idea when Mars lost its atmosphere or when liquid water no longer existed on the surface.

So, at this time, I don't think we have enough facts to determine if and how long life has existed on Mars.

Sorry just got here, so I'm gonna comment on Zorgons, OP, and sunsequent exhibits only:

First off, star and flag for the amount of effort put into this presentation. Not to mention, it is extremely interesting.

I do agree that the "extraordinary, and unfathomable", pictures on the nasa, grid picture, are definitely fake, and artists representations of what exactly would be extraordinary, or unfathomable. But no they haven't found either the trilobite, or the other object, as you an Armap pretty much laid any questions that it might be real to rest. Good work on that.

When I first saw the very first picture in your exibit of "Humphrey", and the lil dotted circle showing where the supposed trilobite was supposed to be, in regaurds to the inset picture of a pristine trilobite fossile, i must say I was pretty much jumping out of the chair yelling that's no proff, and a hoax (in my head of course). I am glad you put that to bed quickly.

But as far as the Very, Very first picture of your first post, )the circular lichen) in this exhibit..... did anyone else notice the dozens of faces and geometric shapes that can be seen if you look at the entire picture for a few minute.

I mean look to the right of the center piece, It's Linda Blair right there from the Exorcists, as clear as day! There is another perfect face on the left. Then there is a grey alien bottom center, from waist up, with it's arms extended up. After that, you can see all sorts of little faces with look extremely detailed when you look at the enlarged picture. It's so blatantly clear I wonder if it's subliminal imagry on Nasas part. I know Adevertising likes to use the EXACT same types of faces, they are called "muppets" in the advertising idustry. they are used for a number of reasons, to get you to look at the area the subliminal face is looking at, usually the producted, or they get you to look away from something. Or they can be smiling to just give you a sense of well being. I found these muppets all over the enlarged Nasa picture.

The guys are smart, and they're pulling out all the stops to get us to see what they want, and try to not have us see what they don't want, by inserting these.

But as far as the "Turritella", great work, and fascinating. Now those I find to be pretty credible, and definitely need some more investigation, hopefully Nasa will provide you with some more images so you can continue to uncover more of these.

Again, great job on the work, excellent presentation.

I know i've left out alot, and the face stuff might be reaching on my part, or just a bad case a paradelia(sp?), but the Linda blair face really, really jumped out at me , yiked!

By the way, has NASA confirmed or denied publically the existance of water on Mars.

If so, did they say there is water or ice on Mars right now?

Or are they saying it was only there in the past.

Sorry if thats a dumb question I just don't have any good links for finding definitive answers to these tpes of questions. Nasa seems to love danceing around them, with out giving a simple yes or no.

Any help would be much appreciated.

reply to post by Oldnslo

Water is still flowing on the surface and if water has been on Mars for billions of years, there is no reason not to suspect that life, in many forms, may have existed throughout this entire period.

no water has been found on the surface of mars. We know mars lost its magnetosphere 4 billion years ago . Bye bye atmosphere & water

we also know the history of mars is violent lots of volcanoes/lava and meteor impacts. The atmosphere is so sterile its likely theres no life on mars.

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reply to post by darkraver


I would absoultely love you post some example of all this flaming you claim that I did. Do you think maybe the mods missed it all and thats why all my posts are still intact?

And thank you, you have finally done what I asked. I asked you to show a comparisson picture outlining the similarities you see. You then spent about 10 posts evading that question and saying I was flaming you.

Now that you post the comparision, I see the similarities that you see. And nice picture of the hip cancer, that does indeed bare a passing resemblance.

We would still require pictures from other angles and in better resolution to create any real opnion at all. but yes, now that you have made it clear, I can see certain similarites. I don;t understand why it took you this long to do something so simple as to illustrate your point.

And by the way, we're not in a gang, we happened to agree on a point. The very notion that you would imply that we are part of some trolling or flaming group is both disrespectful and rude...

reply to post by yeti101


In response to your above post:

NASA Spacecraft Confirms Martian Water, Mission Extended

NASA Images Suggest Water Still Flows in Brief Spurts on Mars

I think its just too early to rule out water on Mars. Just my opinion, no slight intended.

So you are suggesting that apparently, almost all the rocks we are seeing are sedimentary rocks? Since you seem to be finding fossils in every rock that is visible. They have survived weathering, but non-sedimentary rocks have not. huh.... weird.

Just a curious question: When you see a shape in a rock, do you automatically assume it is a fossil, or do you assume it is a natural shape that just happens to look like something else, and go from there?

This guy? He seems to obfuscate issues and never gives a straight answer! Oh yeah! He's the dude from NASA, right??



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