Did Maury Povich really discover what's under the Sphinx?

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Zahi

You might want to read his latest interview from July 28, 2008

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Harte, can you not just keep saying "it doesn't exist" or "it's not true", you don't know this, just as much as I don't know it exists, how hard is it to express beliefs rather than 'facts'.

There is alot of circumstantial evidence that says that there is something down there, whether Cayce was a crook or not, you don't know this, it is an assumption on your part.

Maury Povich, lol, didn't see that coming, I've heard about this many times, first time I've heard maury was involved though.

Interesting website, some interesting information.
www.akasha.de...

I assumed it was a symbolic chamber aswell, since I doubted they were ever going to admit that Osiris could have been humanoid, or evenly remotely more than a religious concept/figure. Although it did go a bit a rye at the beginning, it shows images of the dig beneath the sphinx further down.

(Is this the same as the shaft and the causeway?)

The author of that website implies at the end that they know where the body is, may have read it wrong, but he claims that after the body was removed from the sarcophagus, it was moved and that they know where it was moved to, from the book of the dead, which made me think it may not be a 'symbolic' tomb afterall.

EMM

Maury Povich was a host of this 2 hour rip-off of the infamous show "Al Capone's Vault" by Geraldo Rivera. The look on Mr Povich's face when all they found was a mummy was priceless. A nearly 2 hour "live" build up thinking they would find treasure, and all they found was some unknown mummy!
I saw this when it first aired. It was 2 hours I will never get back. Were no lessons learned by the Capone fiasco?

There is alot of circumstantial evidence

Okay so what is it?

Originally posted by MockedUnicorn
A few years ago, I saw a show on FOX about unearthing egyptian mysteries or something. The show followed Maury Povich as he helped to find a new mummy and towards the end of the show, they travelled under the sphinx to a secret chamber, where there was a big pool of water or something. I dont remember all the details and I cant find much info online.

Has anyone else seen this or have any information about it?

I hear people talk about the Sphinx a lot and no one seems to mention the Discovery by Povich and his team.

There's transcripts of the show but they're probably not accessible to you unless you have a university account. I found a reaonable review of it here:
www.guardians.net...

The mummies were not under the sphynx' paw, but rather in a pit between the sphynx and the pyramid, close to where one of the temples would have been. The formal tombs suggest that Kai was an important priest of the cult of Khufu and responsible for maintaining the worship of the dead pharaoh as well as for teaching the children of the pharaohs, so he was given an important location in the Gizamid graveyard:
articles.latimes.com...

National Geographic did articles on it in 2002:
news.nationalgeographic.com...

It's also in the book, "Hidden treasures of the Cairo museum" (check google books)

Google scholar search shows about 70 new articles (since 2002) on the subject.

For the record, Hawass has
* mostly stopped the looting (tourist) and destruction (tourist) and graffiti making (tourist and other) at Giza.
* allowed legitimate archaeolgical digs there not headed by himself (SMU here in Texas has done some.)
* permitted archaeologists to do a number of ground penetrating radar studies on the area, including under the Sphynx.

From this source: www.unmuseum.org...

There have been rumors of passageways and secret chambers surrounding the Sphinx and during recent restoration work several tunnels have been re-discovered. One, near the rear of the statue extends down into it for about nine yards. Another, behind the head, is a short dead-end shaft. The third, located mid-way between the tail and the paws, was apparently opened during restoration work in the 1920's, then resealed. It is unknown whether these tunnels were constructed by the original Egyptian designers, or were cut into the statue at a later date. Many scientists speculate they are the result of ancient treasure hunting efforts.

Several attempts have been made to use non-invasive exploration techniques to ascertain if there are other hidden chambers or tunnels about the Sphinx. These include electromagnetic sounding, seismic refraction, seismic reflection, refraction tomography, electrical resistivity and acoustical survey tests.

Studies made by Florida State University, Waseda University (Japan), and Boston University, have found "anomalies" around the Sphinx. These could be interpreted as chambers or passageways, but they could also be such natural features as faults or changes in the density of the rock. Egyptian archaeologists, charged with preserving the statue, are concerned about the danger of digging or drilling into the natural rock near the Sphinx to find out if cavities really exist.

That's pretty understandable... preserve the crumbling Sphynx or allow people to go drilling holes and digging all around it without clear evidence of something being there.

Many people seem to think the thing is as rock solid as the mountains... but it isn't. They are constantly having to repair and restore it.

Sadly, I think many people would prefer destruction of the old Sphynx so that they could try to prove Cayce (who was wrong about all sorts of things, including the re-emergence of Atlantis back in the 1970's) right. They have no sense of scale as to how small the sphynx is (any undergound chamber could hold no more than a person or two... otherwise the sandstone would have collapsed long ago).

And, of course, there's the damage by the yearly floods in antiquities.

The "hall of records" is unlikely. Go to any library and have a look at how much floor space it takes up, and then realize that they don't have even 1/1,000,000th of all the books published currently. There is no evidence that the sphynx was used in this context, and the very stele between its paws does not talk about secret knowledge (that's the tablet... go look at a picture of the sphynx) but does talk about a dream where it is asking to be restored.

Just to add to Byrd's comments

drilling at the Sphinx

The resistivity work done in 1976 around the Sphinx was very brief and wide electrode spacings were used. The 1978 resistivity work was much more thorough and our team used (as I recall) one-foot electrode spacings. Patti Burns and John Tanzi of the SRI team did the 1978 resistivity work, however none of us has been able to locate our logs and print outs. We were not funded for additional data analysis and the results of the resistivity work done on-site were relativity uninteresting. The few minor resistivity anomalies the team mapped were compared with high-frequency seismic soundings over the same area (the Sphinx platform and the Sphinx Temple floors). On the basis of these anomalies decisions were made in the field about where to drill holes in the bedrock.

With permission from the Giza Inspectorate we drilled a total of 5 four-inch drill holes on each the significant resistivity/seismic anomalies. Three holes were in the temple area below the sphinx and two were in the platform (bedrock floor) around the sphinx itself. We originally had hoped to drill at least six more holes around the Sphinx, but this was not not done because of the limited time and budget as well as because of the concerns of the A.O. that we might in some way damage the Sphinx.

Another quote from the same source by Lambert Dolphin

Our resistivity work and drilling around the Sphinx in 1978 was in fact sponsored by the A. R. E. in Mark Lehner's early days, however that did not prevent us from advising them that we did not find the legendary Edgar Cayce Hall of Records under the right paw. I share your views that Mark has done a lot of good and praiseworthy research. I had several deep conversations with Hugh Lynn Cayce before he died about his father Edgar Cayce's unconventional Middle Eastern chronology. Hugh Lynn was quite candid with me about his own suspicions that his father may have been way off base in this one area of his psychic "readings."

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Originally posted by Byrd
Sadly, I think many people would prefer destruction of the old Sphynx so that they could try to prove Cayce

I agree there, and despite our different beliefs on where the sphinx/pyramids came from, I think we can both agree, they are an astounding piece of history and should be treasured.

The "hall of records" is unlikely.

I'm glad you said unlikely.

Hanslune, you may consider this differently, but would you not consider the various groups to claim discovery of supposed tunnels and chambers, through various methods to be circumstantial? John Anthony West claimed to discover tunnels and chambers beneath the sphinx, one leading off toward the pyramids. Boris Said's discovery, discoveries of underground tunnels and chambers, subsequently leading to the discovery of the Tomb of Osiris. To me, this says there is something there, what it is I'm not sure, but the fact they have been denying it publicly for about a decade makes me suspicious. Then we have all the legends built up around them, could they be based on truth, thats my view anyway.

EMM

www.towers-online.co.uk...

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Howdy EMM

Hanslune, you may consider this differently, but would you not consider the various groups to claim discovery of supposed tunnels and chambers, through various methods to be circumstantial?

Hans: Yes but are they UNDER the Sphinx?

John Anthony West claimed to discover tunnels and chambers beneath the sphinx, one leading off toward the pyramids.

Hans: Yep that was his claim but was it of the known short tunnels? Or the known Osiris stuff?

Boris Said's discovery, discoveries of underground tunnels and chambers, subsequently leading to the discovery of the Tomb of Osiris.

Hans: It means he found those near the Sphinx where the old mortuary temples were.

To me, this says there is something there, what it is I'm not sure, but the fact they have been denying it publicly for about a decade makes me suspicious.

Hans: Ah why? I think you are getting two separate areas mixed up

1. tunnels and stuff NEAR the Sphinx that have been explored, ie the Osiris stuff

2. short tunnels into the Sphinx that have been explored, they are thought to have been made by guys digging for treasure in ancient times.

Then we have all the legends built up around them, could they be based on truth, thats my view anyway.

Hans: They could be but as of this moment they don't appear to exist. A lot of manufactured myth yes.

Originally posted by Hanslune

Hans: Yes but are they UNDER the Sphinx?

No, true, but since there seems to be a network, in which I doubt the majority has been explored, I see them as possibly verfying people claims who have been discredited in the past, this at least to me shows motive and an agenda.

Hans: Yep that was his claim but was it of the known short tunnels? Or the known Osiris stuff?

Do they have to be known?

Hans: Ah why? I think you are getting two separate areas mixed up

1. tunnels and stuff NEAR the Sphinx that have been explored, ie the Osiris stuff

2. short tunnels into the Sphinx that have been explored, they are thought to have been made by guys digging for treasure in ancient times.

Well, again, if it's a network, there still could be and probably is IMO, more tunnels and chambers to be discovered, who knows what's down there.

EMM

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Originally posted by Byrd
The "hall of records" is unlikely. Go to any library and have a look at how much floor space it takes up, and then realize that they don't have even 1/1,000,000th of all the books published currently. There is no evidence that the sphynx was used in this context, and the very stele between its paws does not talk about secret knowledge (that's the tablet... go look at a picture of the sphynx) but does talk about a dream where it is asking to be restored.

Oh hello Byrd, been a long while since I've bothered with these forums. It's nice to see things never change and people are still fighting you. lol

Basically, to someone who posted on the other page. The reason there's been very little information on this "Tomb of Osiris" is because of the fact it takes years if not decades to go through all the information, to go through these tombs, to date it, to catalogue it, to let the correct people see it, to write up the information on it and then to publish it.

It can't be done in a matter of one or two years, that's how mistakes are made.

The find, analyze and publish cycle can be maddening slow and in some cases the publication never takes place.

One might find more stuff there and I would suspect that further exploration has or will take place. As for stuff under the Sphinx, unlikely unless someone dug a tunnel from somewhere else, and then came up under there well beneath the Sphinx. Is that possible? Yes if you could control the inflow of water. Is it probable based on what is known? Not particularly.

Its always fun to speculate on tunnels because they are hard to detect.

So I would think that at some point once a new form or new improved form of remote sensing is brought in. Some outside organization may try again. We wish them luck.

Oh and if anyone could ever find something that remotely looks like Atlantis it might spur research in that area.......we await the discovery.

Originally posted by Hanslune
Oh and if anyone could ever find something that remotely looks like Atlantis it might spur research in that area.......we await the discovery.

I'd have to disagree there Hans, IMO, not a sausage. You saw what happened to the other thread me and you were in, the OP only used atlantis as a metaphorical example of the type of find this could be, and he got tore a new one the first few pages, I considered you one of them, until I re-read your reply's.

IMO, it will never become main stream acceptable, people will claim to find it or evidence there of, and they will continue to be debunked. I hope I'm wrong, but it just doesn't fit in with what they have deemed our 'history'.

EMM

Hard evidence, a habitation site, shards, burials, tools etc are hard to debunk. An actual site for an 'Atlantis' would be accepted. Just like Knossus, L'Anse Aux Meadows or Catal*

Originally posted by ElectroMagnetic Multivers
Well, again, if it's a network, there still could be and probably is IMO, more tunnels and chambers to be discovered, who knows what's down there.

In that case, it would have been revealed a long time ago, since tunnels cause the ground to be unstable.

Did you see the recent Discovery Channel program on diging up the Maginot line? They talked about how the tunnels would collapse over time and cows and other things would fall into them.

A network under a gazillion pound structure would have caused the structure (already crumbling) to fall apart quickly.

Originally posted by Byrd

In that case, it would have been revealed a long time ago, since tunnels cause the ground to be unstable.

Did you see the recent Discovery Channel program on diging up the Maginot line? They talked about how the tunnels would collapse over time and cows and other things would fall into them.

A network under a gazillion pound structure would have caused the structure (already crumbling) to fall apart quickly.

But if the tunnels themselves were built as part of the structure itself wouldnt that hold up over the years? Excuse my ignorance on matters but it seems to me if the effort to hide a room and tunnels of such importance wouldnt the tunnels and rooms underneath be constructed as a sub-structure if you will and not as an afterthought addition? Like I said im pretty ignorant in theese matters so I could be way off.

The Sphinx is made of limestone and is a part of the giza plateau. Limestone by its nature has fissures and cracks in it. There has been some external stones added to it but the majority of the structure is solid limestone. It rests on solid limestone. If there are "rooms" under the Sphinx they were not accessed from the location of the Spnix. There have been a number of remote sensing of the plateau. The one from 2003 is noted below.

Yes it would be a bad idea to built too many tunnels and empty spaces under the Spninx.

glendash.com...

Figure 8: Surveys near the Sphinx. We detected four distinct sets of anomalies. Anomaly 1 may be a wall which served as an extension of the "Sphinx Ditch" which bounds the Great Sphinx on the north. Anomaly 2 may be the remnant of a stage built in 1969 and removed in 1996. Anomaly 3 is of an unknown nature, perhaps a void beneath the surface. Anomaly 4 is caused by the modern road which runs through the area. The dotted lines show where Tremaine's vehicle ran in performing the survey.

diagram

Heavy stuff

You might take interests in my mothers near death experience that she had this yr. part of her visions were a out of body experience of traveling to the sphinx with her archangel Michael. I know, sounds crazy...but we find it so interesting that my family and I put her sotry on video. Its on a link on my profile under favorite websites. It is interesting that she had never even heard of Edgar Cayce before her experience.

Peace

Originally posted by LeoVirgo
You might take interests in my mothers near death experience that she had this yr. part of her visions were a out of body experience of traveling to the sphinx with her archangel Michael.

As of the end of that sentence i already knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that the information following would be false or untrue,
The arch-angel michael was the angel of miracles,
If infact angels were real & did exist, by the mythology about them,
if any angel were to be a 'guardian angel' then it would be Ezekiel,
arch angel michael would not be involved in anything to do with death,
Unless he were to perform a miracle to make the dead/dying person live

when looking at something such as a vision, there is always room for distortion from the viewer. Michael took her to Egypt and Petra, she saw many things. It changes her whole view of her normal mainstream beliefs. She saw 9 hours of visions of a village, kingdom, angels....Im sure it would be easy to assume such a thing if Michael was the one who took her everywhere. He was even the one who took her into a room and told her she still had things to work on.

I wasnt trying to say everything she saw take at face value, but she did have an amazing experience at Egypt and Petra. The truth was in her eyes that she was really seeing things. She made hand gestures while she ate fruit and climbed a tree in the village. She showed fear on her face with things scared her. She cried when she saw Jesus. She, a christian, now believes in reincarnation.

Just sharing...