Kaaba the big black cube in the center of mecca??

Originally posted by kidflash2008
reply to post by truthseekerpeacemaker

 

It was a sacred site before Islam started, and people used to put in statues of their local gods.

Yes it could be that people idolised and worshipped this meteorite well before monhammed was even born (only then it was nothing to do with islam).
Posted on ´allah was not a pagan moon god´ thread:

1. "allah" was the name of a demonic moon god prominent in that tribal group well before Mohammed was even born.

2. When Mohammed received his "revelations" he himself considered them likely to be from demons. His cohorts, friends, relatives, persuaded him otherwise and essentially encouraged him to co-opt allah as the sole surviving tribal god into a new religion AS A MEANS OF EMOTIONALLY ENERGIZING MASSES OF PEOPLE TOWARD POLITICAL AND GEOGRAPHIC CONQUEST. He thought that was a great idea.

3. BEFORE MOHAMMED WAS BORN, IN THE NAME OF THE DEMONIC MOON GOD ALLAH:

A) a pilgrimage was made to the meteorite with a walk around it 7 times.
B) stones were thrown at the devil.
C) a crescent was a key religious symbol.

reply to post by Iblis Smiley


would it not have been a better conversation if we didn't try to parse the word "pedophile" between what it "really"means, and what us users of the English language use it to mean?

Funny how when a topic on Islam comes up people jump on the band wagon to demonstrate hate, disrespect, ignorance, insults etc etc.

I don't see this kind of behaviour in threads about Christian or Jewish religions.

How did a post about the black cube turn into a discussion about paedohilia?

I hate haters... (except myself of course )

P.S. Classic demonstration of mis-education through media brainwashing.

reply to post by Jinni


Been a long time since we had Jews and Christians killing people. Maybe that is why? I don't know. I personally could care less what people believe. That is their path to walk, not mine.

The topic is about the Kaba in Mecca.

The topic is not about your opinion of the religion, Mohammad, his personal life, your personal life, the personal lives of Muslims, jihads, or anything else. The topic is not about bashing anyone.

The topic is the Kaba. What's known about its physical size and where it is and how long it's been there.

Please stay on topic.

Originally posted by truthseekerpeacemaker
some claim its from the time of adam and eve?

Erm..... you do realise Adam and Eve are fictional right?

Originally posted by Jinni
I don't see this kind of behaviour in threads about Christian or Jewish religions.

Have you visited the conspiracies in religion forum? ATS has plenty of Christian bashing even outside the CIR forum.

Back on topic: Does anyone know if the so-called sacred stone has been examined? Assuming it's a meteorite, do we know how old it is? Any carbon dating, spectral analysis, etc.?

COULD THE BLACK STONE THAT THEY SAY FELL FROM THE SKY BE SOMETHING THAT FELL WHEN LUCIFER WAS CAST FROM HEAVEN? COULD IT BE SOMETHING HE LANDED ON??

maybe inside looks like this :




check this one, all the info is here

Just so i am clear...can someone mark what is considered "the stone" in this image:





Also...does anyone notice a similarity of the silver frame to another object? Is there a reason for this imagery (no, i am not trying to be perverse)? Or was it accidental?

[edit on 6-11-2008 by bigfatfurrytexan]

Originally posted by iasenko
maybe inside looks like this :




check this one, all the info is here

Excellent find, and wonderful photographs! The size of the crowd reminds me of the crowds that were gathering around the White House on election evening. I suspect that, like the Shroud of Turin, it will be difficult for academics and scholars to examine it.

I wish I read Arabic. It might be possible to find some curators' notes on what had been done with the stone and how the display of it has changed over the centuries.

Originally posted by Byrd

Originally posted by iasenko
maybe inside looks like this :




check this one, all the info is here

Excellent find, and wonderful photographs! The size of the crowd reminds me of the crowds that were gathering around the White House on election evening. I suspect that, like the Shroud of Turin, it will be difficult for academics and scholars to examine it.

I wish I read Arabic. It might be possible to find some curators' notes on what had been done with the stone and how the display of it has changed over the centuries.

Here's another link from wiki:

en.wikipedia.org...

An interesting point is that when it came down from the heavens it was pure white and now it is black because it started to abosrb the sins (negative energy?) of mankind.

Apparently Archangel Gabriel gave it to Abraham.

I'm still unclear about what the stone means from the religion point of view. Their primary purpose is to worship the almighty god (same as Christians and Jews) and not the stone or the Kaaba itself.

Perhaps it's some kind of portal to super positive energy that removes negative energies generated through sins. (That's what they claim the stone did so it might be).

The importance of these structures and relics may be to do with unseen forces (positive) forces/energies.

Intrigued...

when i look at the image i posted above, i don't see a black stone. I see, possibly, 5 small pieces embedded in a reddish material.

I would be interested to see an image of what the stone is supposed to look like.

Ok, edit to add:

This is a drawing i found of it:





I would be interested to know what it looked like before being broken.

[edit on 7-11-2008 by bigfatfurrytexan]

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexanThis is a drawing i found of it:

I would be interested to know what it looked like before being broken.

Great detective work! When I look at that and then at the photo the structure does make more sense.

I'm not sure what the relationship of the stone is in the Islamic religion. I have some Turkish friends in class and will try to remember to ask them this Wednesday.

Originally posted by Byrd

Great detective work! When I look at that and then at the photo the structure does make more sense.

I'm not sure what the relationship of the stone is in the Islamic religion. I have some Turkish friends in class and will try to remember to ask them this Wednesday.

Please do, and let us know. Anything that they know would be helpful. Out here in West Texas, most muslims either keep it to themselves, or left to avoid bigots from harassing them. I don't have many opportunities.

I DO get lots of conversation about Hindu and Buddism, however. If that makes up for any of it (my wife is a nurse, and most of our doctors are from India).

I am a Muslim, and as i posted earlier on the first page about the religious significance of the black stone:

"The black stone found in the wall of the Ka'bah is believed to be a meteor, and Islamic customs make no significant mention of this rock at all, except the fact that Muhammad kissed it. Also, during a reconstruction/renovation of the Ka'bah, the black stone was put in place equally by the head of all the tribes of the Quraish.

If there was something mystical about the black stone, it would be a suprise to all Muslims and Arabs alike."

Because Muhammad kissed the stone, Muslims now either rub the stone or kiss it. No other reason besides the imitation of the actions of Prophet Muhammad.

[edit on 7-11-2008 by Sahabi]