Questions about 911, its just not adding up right

Originally posted by kramtronix

Originally posted by goose
Ever since 911 and I've gotten over the shock little things have been nagging me...

Let me help you with the math on why it's not "adding up" in your mind.

8 years of Clinton neglecting foreign policy, failing to catch Osama bin Laden, and hand cuffing the CIA with the Torecelli B.S. equals an attack no one saw coming.

Except for John O'Neal, of course. But the liberals in the New York FBI office weren't hearing him.

Too bad.

Ironic as it is, Mr. O'Neal died in the September 11th attacks.

Of course it's all Clintons fault. But nooo, Bush didn't know anything about it at all. That's right, when something goes wrong just blame it on the liberals. (/sarcasm)

Come on, buddy... Deep down, you know it's the truth. Clinton not only had an oppurtunity to catch bin Laden, but seriously payed no attention to him. He was more concerned with White House interns and killing Vince Foster, I guess.

Can anyone tell me why the Clinton administration failed to find bin Laden, or at least make him run for his life after his organization's aiding in the hiding of Ramzi Usef in 1993?

Originally posted by kramtronix
Come on, buddy... Deep down, you know it's the truth. Clinton not only had an oppurtunity to catch bin Laden, but seriously payed no attention to him. He was more concerned with White House interns and killing Vince Foster, I guess.

Can anyone tell me why the Clinton administration failed to find bin Laden, or at least make him run for his life after his organization's aiding in the hiding of Ramzi Usef in 1993?

Ya, I hate clinton because of his imcompetence, but there are a lot of grey areas when it comes to the intellegence bush had before the event.

Originally posted by kramtronix

Originally posted by goose
Ever since 911 and I've gotten over the shock little things have been nagging me...

Let me help you with the math on why it's not "adding up" in your mind.

8 years of Clinton neglecting foreign policy, failing to catch Osama bin Laden, and hand cuffing the CIA with the Torecelli B.S. equals an attack no one saw coming.

Except for John O'Neal, of course. But the liberals in the New York FBI office weren't hearing him.

Too bad.

Ironic as it is, Mr. O'Neal died in the September 11th attacks.

OK so you blame Clinton for everything, but Clinton was not President during 911, he did not hang out at a school listening to kids read stories while the towers came down and whether you like it or not the Bush administration had ample warnng and ignored it. We got caught with our pants down so to speak because nobody in the Bush administration had sense enough to pull them up. Then again maybe we did not, maybe somebody within our own gov., brought these events about for their own reasons. Now about those cell phone calls, there were 13 calls made, but its virtually impossible to make 1 call from a plane with an altitude over 10,000 feet.

Originally posted by kramtronix
Come on, buddy... Deep down, you know it's the truth. Clinton not only had an oppurtunity to catch bin Laden, but seriously payed no attention to him. He was more concerned with White House interns and killing Vince Foster, I guess.

Can anyone tell me why the Clinton administration failed to find bin Laden, or at least make him run for his life after his organization's aiding in the hiding of Ramzi Usef in 1993?

Better yet. Can anyone tell me why the Bush administration (you know, the appointed administration) have failed to find Bin Laden. And when they failed to find him, his name disappeared from the mouths of this same administration and was replaced with Saddam.

Stop using a former administration to justify the inexcusable and criminal behavior of the current administration...

Originally posted by kramtronix
Come on, buddy... Deep down, you know it's the truth. Clinton not only had an oppurtunity to catch bin Laden, but seriously payed no attention to him. He was more concerned with White House interns and killing Vince Foster, I guess.

Can anyone tell me why the Clinton administration failed to find bin Laden, or at least make him run for his life after his organization's aiding in the hiding of Ramzi Usef in 1993?

Bush Sr had a chance to finish off Saddam in 90'. Well? Could have saved us several hundred young soldier's lives along with the waste of the "no fly zone" and UN sanctions.

I guess once the oil flow was secure, leaving a tyranny in power could be considered a small "oversight."




[Edited on 20-3-2004 by Facefirst]

[Edited on 20-3-2004 by Facefirst]

I'm still stuck on the fact that 13 calls were made when its virtually impossible to make a cell phone call from a plane over 10,000 feet in the air and if it was all planned why on earth did they do the calls, did they not think that someone would realize its impossible or just figure that the majority of American people are stupid and will believe whatever they are told.

Originally posted by goose
the majority of American people are stupid and will believe whatever they are told.

try talking to somebody about your inconsitencies with 9/11. not somebody on ATS but just somebody. watch how quickly they will get angry and not want to discuss it with you. iv tried but it seems most people have already made their decisions.

Originally posted by goose
I'm still stuck on the fact that 13 calls were made when its virtually impossible to make a cell phone call from a plane over 10,000 feet in the air and if it was all planned why on earth did they do the calls, did they not think that someone would realize its impossible or just figure that the majority of American people are stupid and will believe whatever they are told.

Do you have any proof that these planes were above 10,000 feet when the calls were made?

My guess is that they spent a lot of time below 10,000 feet so that they could find the targets, and so that they would be harder to spot.

Do you have any proof that these planes were above 10,000 feet when the calls were made?

My guess is that they spent a lot of time below 10,000 feet so that they could find the targets, and so that they would be harder to spot.



I'm assuming they were flying above that altitude since I can't find evidence otherwise. I did find this website with some interesting thoughts on the phone calls. www.ourchurch.com...
I'm looking for evdience though that they were above that altitude most of the time, will put it here if I find it.

[Edited on 22-3-2004 by goose]

Originally posted by Facefirst
Bush Sr had a chance to finish off Saddam in 90'. Well?

One word: Congress

Apples and oranges, bucko.

Here is another website that answers questions about the 911 calls. feralnews.com...
make sure you read released results that is also very interesting as well

[Edited on 22-3-2004 by goose]

[Edited on 22-3-2004 by goose]

Originally posted by goose
Here is another website that answers questions about the 911 calls. feralnews.com...
make sure you read released results that is also very interesting as well


I read the article, and fail to see how it supports your claim. In the article it talks of the experiments that were conducted, and I do not feel that they could accurately recreate the circumstances that occurred on 9-11. The aircraft that they used were smaller, and did not travel in the same metropolitan areas that the flights on 9-11 went through.

If he is so sure that his experiments would work, then why is he not attempting to contact the FAA to set up a experiments where they can more accurately recreate the scenario?

Originally posted by COOL HAND

Originally posted by goose
Here is another website that answers questions about the 911 calls. feralnews.com...
make sure you read released results that is also very interesting as well


I read the article, and fail to see how it supports your claim. In the article it talks of the experiments that were conducted, and I do not feel that they could accurately recreate the circumstances that occurred on 9-11. The aircraft that they used were smaller, and did not travel in the same metropolitan areas that the flights on 9-11 went through.

If he is so sure that his experiments would work, then why is he not attempting to contact the FAA to set up a experiments where they can more accurately recreate the scenario?

Here is a website where they discuss things like we do here and there are some experts there many who design and build the phones says the 911 calls on cell phones could not have happened. Any experts on this here or anyone ever made or tried to make a cell phone call once they were in the air at an altitude over 10,000 feet. www.sianews.com... I'm still looking for altitude on the planes, I know of course they made a descent but most of the calls were made before the descent supposedly. Many people at this website who are experts say the plane that crashed into the Pentagon pulled 5-7 g's on its final turn and that would have made it impossible to use a cell phone as they descended to a lower altitude in a plane smacking that many G's.

Originally posted by KrazyIvan
the flames weakined the steel supports cause jet fule burns really hot. it was only a matter of time before sir issac newton (gravity for all you stoners) took its tool on the buildings

www.serendipity.li...

Notice the name of the author.

"Using jet fuel to melt steel is an amazing discovery, really. It is also amazing that until now, no one had been able to get it to work, and that proves the terrorists were not stupid people. Ironworkers fool with acetylene torches, bottled oxygen, electric arcs from generators, electric furnaces, and other elaborate tricks, but what did these brilliant terrorists use? Jet fuel, costing maybe 80 cents a gallon on the open market."

[Edited on 3-22-2004 by Illmatic67]

Originally posted by Illmatic67

Originally posted by KrazyIvan
the flames weakined the steel supports cause jet fule burns really hot. it was only a matter of time before sir issac newton (gravity for all you stoners) took its tool on the buildings

www.serendipity.li...

Notice the name of the author.

"Using jet fuel to melt steel is an amazing discovery, really. It is also amazing that until now, no one had been able to get it to work, and that proves the terrorists were not stupid people. Ironworkers fool with acetylene torches, bottled oxygen, electric arcs from generators, electric furnaces, and other elaborate tricks, but what did these brilliant terrorists use? Jet fuel, costing maybe 80 cents a gallon on the open market."

[Edited on 3-22-2004 by Illmatic67]

Great point! LOL

Goose,
Once again I will state that the planes were more than likely below 10,000 feet for two reasons.

1. To find the targets
2. To make themselves harder to be seen from above

As far as the 5-7 G terminal turn crap, where in the world did you hear that from? Unless the pilots were doing the M-1 manuever they would have passed out in the turn.

[Edited on 23/3/04 by COOL HAND]

Originally posted by ihatethisplace

Originally posted by goose
the majority of American people are stupid and will believe whatever they are told.

try talking to somebody about your inconsitencies with 9/11. not somebody on ATS but just somebody. watch how quickly they will get angry and not want to discuss it with you. iv tried but it seems most people have already made their decisions.

This is so true! Most people won't even take the time to think about it, much less listen. It doesn't matter how much sense something makes or doesn't make, they'd rather just avoid it altogether, right or wrong.

Originally posted by goose


Do you have any proof that these planes were above 10,000 feet when the calls were made?

My guess is that they spent a lot of time below 10,000 feet so that they could find the targets, and so that they would be harder to spot.

I'm assuming they were flying above that altitude since I can't find evidence otherwise. I did find this website with some interesting thoughts on the phone calls. www.ourchurch.com...
I'm looking for evdience though that they were above that altitude most of the time, will put it here if I find it.

[Edited on 22-3-2004 by goose]

Have you ever tried to make a cell call from a jet? I'll bet you it's not as impossible as you'd think. How do you think those credit card phones work on the back of the seats?

Originally posted by Satyr

Originally posted by goose


Do you have any proof that these planes were above 10,000 feet when the calls were made?

My guess is that they spent a lot of time below 10,000 feet so that they could find the targets, and so that they would be harder to spot.

I'm assuming they were flying above that altitude since I can't find evidence otherwise. I did find this website with some interesting thoughts on the phone calls. www.ourchurch.com...
I'm looking for evdience though that they were above that altitude most of the time, will put it here if I find it.

[Edited on 22-3-2004 by goose]

Have you ever tried to make a cell call from a jet? I'll bet you it's not as impossible as you'd think. How do you think those credit card phones work on the back of the seats?

Yes it can be done with the simple swipe of a credit card but over and over, its reported they used cell phones. Don't you think its kind of odd that the terrorists allowed them to use the phones. There were less than 100 people on each flight and 4 or more hi-jackers, it really seems odd that they would have allowed them to use the phones.