Ancient Ruins Found on Mars!

reply to post by SuperSlovak


It's a big rock. None of my friends have a rock that big

Seriously though....It is just a big rock.

Based on the title I really expected to see something a bit more convincing then.....a big rock.

I'm just sayin....big rock.

reply to post by jimmyjackblack


1> As I recall (and I am sure I will be corrected if my recollection is wrong), original Rover imaging is black and white......if so, the colorization may affect what we see.

2> It looks like a number of volcanic lava formations that can be found on various Hawaian islands...

3> The marsanomaly link correctly points out that the "dune" in front of the shape appears to not be real.

reply to post by mopusvindictus
mopus, are you saying you're some type of scientist?

Super slovak. Yashi mash. From one partially slovak to another. Regardless of whether this particular rock is of significance...I have seen enough to know there are very high strangeness on Mars.

Originally posted by crackerjack
I'm sure Zorgon and Mike would be licking their chops over this thread,

Someone called? Be careful what you wish for


Observations...

1) Way to many noobie one liner smartass posts Could have saved half the thread with all the BS.. and I for the life of me can never figure out why all the "I see only rocks" crowd spend so much time in these threads..

I guess they have no life... sad very sad...



2) Phage showed water errosion... are you saying water eroded the rocks on Mar? But not in that area... those are not water errosion marks...

Phage also showed the basalt colums that fracture into hexagonal posts... that requires a huge lava flow under special conditions... there is no lava flow present so that is an erroneous comparson

If your going to use geology in your case, at least have an understanding of geology, or you just look silly, or desparate

3) The reason some of the rocks are 'missing' is because there are 2 pictures taken on Sol 728 from slight angles and 4 pictures taken from another angle on Sol 730

3) Though the area has Vesicular Basalt (Scoria) tossed around this 'mound' does not make sense as there is no source for it, It is too large for a lava bomb. Also the texture does look different. If this was indeed thrown from a volcano or impact, there would be a very large volcano cone nearby or a huge crater

4) Yes Vesicular Basalt (Scoria) is a volcanic rock Credit to sos37 for saying Scoria on page 4

5) Someone mentioned Meteorite... Well a meteorite that large would have left a pretty huge crater not just be sitting on a pile of fine loose sand

But you never know... it is Mars after all



This is an Iron meteorite on Mars Sol 339 Opportunity. This composite combines images taken through the panoramic camera's 600-nanometer (red), 530-nanometer (green), and 480-nanometer (blue) filters.

As to the mound... as I said it looks completely out of place... but we cannot get any closer to it...

Here is the full set of images that are available..



SPIRIT SOL 728 and 730 Large Mound

I only have one of the color ones available... its a little dusty this day...



As a comparison here is a piece of Scoria (Vesicular Basalt)
This one is Sol 728



This one is Sol 740


Here are some more from Sol 728... from the same set as the MOUND



And finally here is a piece in my collection... from the Nevada desert... for color comparison

Originally posted by rocksarerocks
Question, in which mission did the shuttle go to Mars?

That would be the Aquila Cargo Transport... first one launched from Marshall Islands 1969, two months before Apollo 11

There is also this...
www.thelivingmoon.com...

Originally posted by rocksarerocks
The first thing you should learn is to never ever use marsanomoly research. The guy thinks NASA has an "automatic software removal" system that checks every picture and removes all artifacts.

Well I did notice that there are a lot of Skippers fan club here... as if there are no other anomaly hunters out there...

But he is right about that... Both Rovers have built in algorithm software created by Sandia labs that automatically encode images set to certain parameters.. they don't catch all... they miss the small stuff... but there are real We already covered that in several threads

Just go look up Sandia Labs algorithms and look for the top secret ones.. the ones that will get you tossed in jail for possesing

Originally posted by habu71
1> As I recall (and I am sure I will be corrected if my recollection is wrong), original Rover imaging is black and white......if so, the colorization may affect what we see.

Well not quite... the images were taken with many filters and using the sundial on the rovers for comparison you can produce color images

The ruin that I posted is not the only strange object on mars...
there are hundreds more,

but offcoarse, the ats skeptic wont believe anything untill they themself are standing on mars looking up at the ruins.

reply to post by SuperSlovak


We won't believe it because it's a damn rock. Nothing more. How about you provide some proof of your belief before you go throwing the word skeptic around every time someone questions the day after day RIDICULOUS posts that are made here.

Originally posted by SuperSlovak
but offcoarse, the ats skeptic wont believe anything untill they themself are standing on mars looking up at the ruins.

No they won't They will say someone slipped them something into their drink

reply to post by SuperSlovak


That's not true. I, for one, would believe it if any Mars rover actually recorded evidence of life on Mars.

Originally posted by puzzled2
Why wrong camera I see 3 metalic objects and a fence and its the wrong Camera??

You can do whatever you want with the fence.

But you best stay away from my 3 robot daughters.

Originally posted by zorgon


2) Phage showed water errosion... are you saying water eroded the rocks on Mar?

But not in that area... those are not water errosion marks...

Phage also showed the basalt colums that fracture into hexagonal posts... that requires a huge lava flow under special conditions... there is no lava flow present so that is an erroneous comparson

If your going to use geology in your case, at least have an understanding of geology, or you just look silly, or desparate

I provided the examples to counter silly and desperate claims that natural processes cannot produce straight lines and right angles.

I made no claim the rock in question was formed by water erosion or crystallization. I have no idea what formed the rock. I do know something of geology but nothing of areology.

Oh, and I would be truly elated if evidence of life on Mars (past or present) is ever found. Elated and surprised.

[edit on 27-8-2008 by Phage]

Let's do some research why don't we, instead of just proclaiming it must be the work of advanced civilizations.

As noted, this anomaly is in the Gusev Crater, so let's learn a bit about that.

Wiki
Gusev Crater is a crater on the planet Mars and is located at 175.4°E 14.6°S. The crater is about 170 kilometers in diameter and formed approximately three to four billion years ago. It was named after Russian astronomer Matvei Gusev (1826–1866) in 1876.

A channel system named Ma'adim Vallis drains into it that probably carried liquid water, or water and ice, at some point in Mars' past. The crater appears to be an old crater lake bed, filled with sediments up to 3000 feet thick. Some exposed outcrops appear to show faint layering, and some researchers also believe that landforms visible in images of the mouth of Ma'adim Vallis where it enters Gusev Crater resemble landforms seen in some terrestrial river deltas.

Ok, so let's learn a bit more about the Ma'adim Vallis...

Wiki
Ma'adim Vallis is one of the largest canyons on Mars, about 700 km long and significantly larger than Earth's Grand Canyon. It is over 20 km wide and 2 km deep in some places. It runs from a region of southern lowlands thought to have once contained a large group of lakes (see Eridania Lake) north to Gusev crater near the equator.

Ma'adim Vallis is thought to have been carved by flowing water early in Mars' history. Some of the short narrow channels along the walls of Ma'adim are probably sapping channels. Sapping occurs when groundwater partially dissolves and undermines the rock, which collapses into debris deposits and is carried away by other erosion processes.

The large crater to the North is the Gusev Crater. We can see how a canyon larger than the Grand Canyon flows directly into it.



If you move a little bit north of the Gusev Crater you come to Apollinaris Patera.

Google Mars Map that shows Apollinaris Patera and the Gusev Crater

Wiki
Apollinaris Patera is the former name of Apollinaris Mons, a shield volcano on Mars's surface. It is situated near the equator in the south hemisphere, southeast of the shield volcano Elysium Mons on the Elysium Planitia, and north of Gusev crater.

Apollinaris Mons is about 5 kilometres high with a base about 296 kilometres in diameter.[1] On the top of this volcano is a small crater with an irregular border (the "patera"), which was probably made by an explosive, or pyroclastic, eruption.

So far we have a crater, with a canyon flowing into it, right next to a volcano. Let's learn some more about volcanic activity near the Gusev Crater.

Scientists Say Volcanic Activity Formed Home Plate (In Gusev) on Mars

Scientists have found evidence that Home Plate at Gusev crater on Mars is composed of debris deposited from a hydrovolcanic explosion. The finding suggests that water may have been involved in driving an eruption that formed the deposits found on Home Plate.

In a paper published in the May 4, 2007, issue of the journal Science, the team of scientists reports that Home Plate is composed of debris deposited from a hydrovolcanic explosion that occurred when molten volcanic basalt came into contact with subsurface fluid, perhaps brine.

...

A particularly notable feature in the lower unit is a clast with deformed layers beneath it, interpreted to be a bomb sag. Bomb sags are found in volcanic deposits on Earth, where large clasts, or fragments of rock, ejected from an explosive event are emplaced ballistically into deformable materials, causing depression of layering. Bomb sags on Earth typically indicate that the deformed materials were wet at the time of emplacement, but the scientists cannot rule out the possibility of sag formation resulting from compaction and gas-supported flow of dry materials.

Now obviously there would have to be some weathering on the rocks we're seeing on Mars.

Pyroclastic Activity at Home Plate in Gusev Crater, Mars

Home Plate is a layered plateau in Gusev crater on Mars. It is composed of clastic rocks of moderately altered alkali basalt composition, enriched in some highly volatile elements. A coarsegrained lower unit lies under a finer-grained upper unit. Textural observations indicate that the lower strata were emplaced in an explosive event, and geochemical considerations favor an explosive volcanic origin over an impact origin. The lower unit likely represents accumulation of pyroclastic materials, whereas the upper unit may represent eolian reworking of the same pyroclastic materials.

Here is a picture of a rock that has undergone eolian (wind) weathering. Notice the similar squarish shape with rounded tops, as in the photo in question.



I believe this rock is related to local volcanic activity

If you have any proof concerning advanced civilizations, I'm all ears.

[edit on 27-8-2008 by Parabol]

Originally posted by Phage
Here is the raw image
marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov...

Notice a similar porous rock in the right foreground

Oh, c'mon. The pock-marked rock in the foreground is nothing like the cairn-like structure of the distant structure. If it was the same stuff, the distant object would be pretty much gray.

Also... I have seen this pic here before, and maybe someone pointed that out later in the thread from your post here.

Zorgon

Why couldn't it be a volcano bomb / lithic fragment? Do we know the size of the object on Mars?

Can someone explain why this "ruin" did not need to be excavated but is sticking up as good as new above ground level? If this is a ruin it would be under the ground.

It's just yet another rock in the shape of a giant hotdog/statue of liberty/ancient ruin. Or some shrubbery, til we can get closer to get a better look at it. Not proof, or even evidence.

While I appreciate your reply on a member level. I think you are grossly inadequate in the likeablility factor.

Originally posted by rocksarerocks
reply to post by SuperSlovak

 

We won't believe it because it's a damn rock. Nothing more. How about you provide some proof of your belief before you go throwing the word skeptic around every time someone questions the day after day RIDICULOUS posts that are made here.

Pretty neat. Kind of reminds me of something from the Devil's Golfcourse in Death Valley.

reply to post by SuperSlovak


That is a very strange looking rock

No offense but these pics dont have that much credability especilly being that they could be pics takn on earth and put thru a photo editing program.