UFO in my pond

If I didn't know any better, I'd say this thing was a natural philosopher's stone that somehow temporarily zapped the turtle to another dimension

Get that video up OP. Once that video is up, you have a much stronger chance at getting the answers you seek for.

The sooner the better

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More pictures all. Note the pictures with the scale that fluctuates. It was pinned on 300 when I first weighed the rock, but now it seems to bounce a little... that being the actual weight on the scale. This scale must have a magnet of something in it that messes with the reading. The rock doesn't do anything magical but give me a headache; and acts weird around the scale. While testing metals on this rock, I noticed a paperclip fall off the rock. When I put the clip back on the rock, it fell off again. Lying by the rock was the clip and I was looking at it saying it stuck there a minute ago... then it moved right before my eyes and connected to the rock again. Could this rock be losing magnetic power or just be fluctuating with high and low frequency; and how come nothing else fell off the rock? Well I think I've done all the testing I'm capable and I'm just waiting for the geologist at Gwynedd-Mercy College to call me back and test the rock for me. Any other tests I can do? Thanks all for your time!
Note the gold looking things that look like eyes... I tried to take close ups because they are both perfectly round and the same size. These are the two big ones, but there is this sparkle of gold, red, white and other colors all over the rock... the entire rock in my hand feels like cold solid steal.

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Hmm, incredibly odd.

First of all, thanks a lot for uploading the pictures. Doing things like this bolsters your credibility, and gives the readers more faith in you.

I can offer no explanations to these new pictures. I can only add that it is VERY odd that the camera gets so blurry when shooting the rock close up, yet not too bad when capturing other objects, like the paper.

The next thing you should do is try to get a video of the thing. Doing some experiments such as placing it near the clip thing you spoke of, and trying to video it being drawn to the rock, ect.

I really hope someone can offer some explanations. And I really hope you do video everything when you take it to the college - this is very important.

If you could upload a file like that for us to see, it would basically prove your story.

For now, keep us updated on your experiments with pictures and if possible, some video.

Cheers.

Kind of odd that the scale would weigh several different 'weights' for the rock.

Can you please reply on the wedding ring question? Did it stick to a normal magnet? Any explanation why a wedding ring would have steel in it since that normally would rust?

Can we have a shot of the rock on the scale in full view of the scale to show that there's nothing else on the edge of the scale?

Thanks.

Let's try this again:

1. Is there anything that doesn't stick to the normal U-magnet that you have, but does stick to the rock?

2. In one of your original photos, it shows a gold ring and a car key sticking to the rock. Do those also stick to your U-magnet?

reply to post by LunarLooney1


Do you have a scanner?

If you do you could put the rock on the scanner to get some pictures, scanners are very good at catching small details.

If you managed to weight the rock, could you try to see its volume with the method I mentioned in another post?

Thanks.

PS: I can't see the photos, the page keeps on waiting for something and never finishes loading.

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yes you are correct ArMap,

it is saying "photo not available due to maintenance"


snoopyuk

[edit on 28-8-2008 by snoopyuk]

reply to post by LunarLooney1


your welcome about the earthfiles tip any person interested in ATS alien UFO forum should frequent that page along with ufo casebook.

i think it was no less than 4 months ago, a very interesting thing happened in the southern continent were a comet landed at about 15,000 miles per hour, scientist are baffled cause due to the type of rock/metal it should have burned up in our atmosphere at 3,000 mph. if studies determine that this rock entered the atmosphere and didnt burn up when in fact it should have then i have a feeling its going to throw a huge wrench in the credibility factor, but just keep your cool, you know what the truth is so stand by it please.

this may sound rediculous but im interested to see how it reacts to other fluids. you said it bubbled really slowly in water, have you thought about leaving it in a bucket of cola. i know it sounds stupid but i would be interested enough to try a cheap experiment with this as well.

ill try and dig the case up for you on earthfiles.com

March 28, 2008 Providence, Rhode Island - It was 11:45 AM on Saturday, September 15, 2007, when alpaca farmer, Justina Limache, heard a “thunderous roar from the sky.” Scared, she grabbed her 8-year-old granddaughter and ran into her house. For the next few minutes, Justina heard rocks raining down on the roof so loudly that she worried her house would collapse. What 74-year-old Justina Limache did not know was that a meteorite had fallen near her home in Carancas, Peru, 62 miles (100 kilometers) southeast of Puno and not far from Lake Titicaca. Carancas is a farm community of about 2,000 people who raise cows, alpacas, llamas and other animals on the high Andean plateau near the Bolivian border.
The crater filled with ground water quickly and first news reports stated that several animals were hurt and at least two hundred residents near the impact suffered headaches, nausea and breathing problems after inhaling “toxic fumes” emitted from the impact crater. Back in September 2007, I interviewed Jose Machare, Science Doctorate and Geological Engineer in the Geology, Mining and Metallurgical Institute in Lima. He was trying to understand what the meteorite was made of, whether the crater water was contaminated with arsenic or other substance that might have sickened people and animals, and whether there might still be a meteoritic fragment at the bottom of the water-filled crater.

Now in March 2008 at the NASA Lunar and Planetary Institute Conference in Houston, Peter Schultz, Ph.D., Prof. of Geological Sciences who specializes in impact cratering at Brown University, presented his first field research in Carancas from December 2007. Prof. Schultz reported to the conference that he and his graduate student measured the crater to be 50 feet in diameter and on average 6 feet deep. The meteorite debris was stoney H4H5 chondrite, not metallic iron that might be expected to punch a hole in the earth. The stoney meteorite came in from the east and sprayed some debris to the west as much as 656 feet (200 meters) away.

The Carancas, Peru, debris field indicates the rockey meteorite came hit the ground at about 15,000 miles per hour. Prof. Schultz's hypothesis is that high in the Earth's atmosphere, this meteor did not explode apart as would be expected and come down more slowly at around 200 miles per hour. Instead, Prof. Schultz thinks the stoney meteorite was encapsulated in its own shock wave all the way to Peru, hitting with unprecedented force for such soft and fragile rocky material.

Recently I talked with Prof. Peter Schultz about his December field research that led him to his startling conclusion.

Interview:
Peter Schultz, Ph.D., Prof. of Geological Sciences specializing in impact cratering, Brown University, Providence, Rhode Island: “What we discovered was that this indeed came in at a very high speed. We had initially wondered: Was this like an object coming in like the space shuttle where it comes in at a low angle and as it comes in, it decelerates slowly in the atmosphere, gradually reaches terminal speed – kind of like jumping out of an airplane - and then plops on the ground. That was the going-in model that we had and other people had.

But, when we got there, we looked at the nature of the crater, how widespread the ejecta was of the debris thrown out from the crater and we looked at the condition of the materials thrown out by the crater. We discovered that this thing had to come in fast. This was an unusual event. And this was the very first impact crater actually witnessed by humans and recorded by humans that we know of, other than legend and lore.

WHAT KIND OF SPEED ARE WE TALKING ABOUT?

Our best guess, based on damage to the minerals that we found – my associate, graduate student Scott Harris was responsible for this. Based on those analyses, we think this was coming in somewhere between 1 and 3 kilometers per second. If you think about this in terms of miles per second, we’re talking about essentially 2/3s of a mile per second up to around 2 miles per second. So this was coming in at a very high speed.

SO, THIS IS WHERE THE 15,000 TO 17000 MPH COMES IN?

Yes, and that’s the upper limits based on our estimates. It’s corroborated by eyewitness accounts of watching this come through the atmosphere. It’s eyewitnesses that we interviewed while we were there.

WHAT DID PEOPLE TELL YOU THEY SAW?

They saw this thing brightening in the sky, got brighter and brighter, probably to the brightness of the sun, passed quickly overhead and then slammed into the ground. Some reports had these people being washed over with dust from debris that was ejected out of the crater.

DID YOU ASK ANYBODY ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THEY HEARD SOUND WHILE IT WAS IN THE AIR?

Oh, yes, of course. We talked to people about that and we are pulling together a paper in more detail.

WHAT WAS THEIR DESCRIPTION OF THE SOUND?

It ranged from being a whistling sound to a boom.

From what I’ve seen in reports so far, the people took notice. They knew something was coming and they turned to watch.

HOW MANY PEOPLE DO YOU THINK SAW IT IN THE AIR AND IMPACT WITH THEIR OWN EYES?

That’s a really good question. I know we were in a nearby town and they saw it in the distance going over the mountains heading towards Carancas. There were other people living in the Carancas area who saw it and felt it. I would imagine we are dealing with dozens and more. The small town nearby was not a tiny town. There were many people there and right across the border in Bolivia because this flew right over Bolivia.

WHAT ABOUT THE STORIES THAT ANIMALS DIED AT THE SCENE AFTER THE IMPACT?

I heard the same stories. I don’t know how many were true. I heard there were some stock that were injured.

HAVE YOU BEEN ABLE TO GET ANY CHEMICAL ANALYSIS THAT MIGHT CONFIRM THAT THERE WAS SOMETHING LIKE ARSENIC OR SOME OTHER KIND OF TOXIC INGREDIENT THAT MIGHT HAVE MADE THOSE LOCALS SICK?

The question is whether or not this was an illness induced by the dust? Or was it from the percussion of the impact?

If you have ever been very close to a sonic boom, you can feel how it reverberates in your chest. That’s probably what happened here. This does not belittle people who were feeling ill, but I don’t think we have to attribute this to arsenic or anything unusual delivered from space.

to continue...

IT’S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IF THIS WERE ONLY A STONY METEORITE – SOME SORT OF AGGRAGATE COMING IN AROUND 15,000 MPH – WOULD BE UNPRECEDENTED?

That’s right and why it’s such an interesting thing to study because the models up until this time, except for a couple of models, would suggest that anything that is stony would have broken apart and through interacting shock waves would have spread out like a pancake and then the meteorites would simply have fallen to earth. That’s the typical model that we have been working with for awhile.

But there is another model that involves something that is weak and as it comes through the atmosphere, it tends to break apart. This aggregates, and as it aggregates, it changes shape somewhat. That allows it to get much deeper into the atmosphere and all indications that we have is that this did not spread out in a pancake, either on the basis of what we saw on the ground, or on the basis of witnesses.

SO, IF WE’VE GOT A LOT OF STONY BOULDERS IN SOME SORT OF AN AGGRAGATE, TIGHT OR LOOSE, COMING IN OUT ATMOSPHERE AT 15,000 OR 16,000 MPH, WHAT WAS THE IMPACT LIKE ON THE GROUND THAT MADE THAT CRATER?

I can imagine it was pretty profound! I understand there were some seismic events that people did pick up the impact in seismic records. There were reports of people talking about the extremely loud boom – the shock that must have been generated. So, this would have been a scary event.

WHY DO YOU THINK IT CAME IN SO FAST?

Two things: in the upper atmosphere where this came in, it was probably going much faster. It had to be going perhaps as fast as 10 miles per second when it entered the atmosphere. So, the issue is: How did it make it all the way through the Earth’s atmosphere without exploding?

And I think the reason was it was weak enough that it broke apart (in upper atmosphere) before it had a chance to explode. As it came through, it changed its shape a bit and reduced the aerodynamic drag, which allowed it to get much deeper into the atmosphere than it would have normally. But much of this is still speculation because that’s what we are really trying to find out.

SO UNTIL THIS CARANCAS, PERU, METEORITE, IT WAS NEVER THOUGHT POSSIBLE THAT STONY METEORITES COULD PENETRATE THE ATMOSPHERE WITHOUT EXPLODING BEFORE THE GROUND ON EARTH?

Basically. Typical terminal speed for iron or stony meteorites is on the order of 200 mph. So, if this had come through the atmosphere that way, then it would have come down about 200 mph. So, we’re looking at something much faster than that.

IN TERMS OF TNT, WHAT WOULD THE ENERGY IMPACT HAVE BEEN IN YOUR CURRENT HYPOTHESIS?

It was equivalent to a couple of tons of TNT. Meteorites, when they come through the atmosphere, should spread apart and fall to the ground and form pits with meteorites in them. Carancas did not do that. It appeared to stay together, pierced the atmosphere staying at a very high speed when it slammed into the Earth. That’s what made it unusual.”

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The 'real' money would never allow it prevenge. You know that and so you took it down because you cannot go around presumptively...

All metals are magnetic, just some more than others. Whether or not you get a repulsion or attraction is determined by the strength of the magnetic field.

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My wedding ring does not connect with a regular magnet I just tried it nor does my car key as you had asked. I put the ring and key on the rock just now and the key fell off after 10 seconds and ring still there. Again, I can take as many pictures of the scale, rock and or anything else like you suggest... no problem. I don't have a video camera, but have one on my digital camera... never used it with the chip card in the camera and my son said he can upload from the video for me this weekend. I will do these tests on video for you to see for yourself and I will be doing tests with the rock you all suggested in this thread... so thanks for all the help and I'll keep you posted on updates as I have done since I posted this.

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Wow LordThumbs... very cool information here and a great read...ty!

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Although some metals (the most known is iron) are ferromagnetic and show the "normal" magnetic properties that we expect to see in magnetic materials, some metals are diamagnetic (they are slightly repelled by magnets instead of being attracted), like copper.

A good explanation is available on Wikipedia

great read!
If you want to make close up pics that aren't out of focus, see if there's a setting on your camera with a flower icon (macro)
Move as close as you can and target the rock with your lens and push the shutter button half way. The tagetter in your viewer should turn green and the camera should beep. That means its focused. If it doesn't, move further away and keep trying untill it turns green. When it does, take the picture and it will definitely be sharp!

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If that text is not your own (and I suppose that it's not), you should put it inside an "external" tag and provide the source, in that way ATS can avoid being accused of plagiarism.

Originally posted by ArMaP
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If that text is not your own (and I suppose that it's not), you should put it inside an "external" tag and provide the source, in that way ATS can avoid being accused of plagiarism.

Not sure if you're refering to my post?
If you did, that text is my own.

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No, I was obviously referring to this post from LordThumbs, that is why my post had "reply to post by LordThumbs" on the top with a link to that post.