Rapture Septemeber 2008

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reply to post by AndrewTB


I think the dots this video is connecting is that the eclipses point to the Second coming of Jesus in 2015. Then subtract 7 years from that and you get 2008 (The year of the rapture).

Although it is possible (Jesus can return any day), there are some other possibilities to what the 2015 eclipses mean, which would mean this doesn't necessarily mean the rapture is in 2008.

Edit: I also asked the creator of this video and thread on You Tube about this thread since he hasn't been back. He replied to me there. Basically what he is doing is not saying the rapture will be in 2008 FOR SURE and that 2015 is the second coming of Christ FOR SURE but that IF this theory is correct, then the only chance he has to explain it is now in advance because he won't be here later to explain it if it happens.

I also asked him about the word 'Proof' in his You Tube video title because I took issue with anyone claiming 'proof' to predict the rapture. He said it isn't 'Proof' that the rapture will happen in 2008 but it is 'proof' that if it does, then this was the rapture and not something else. His video is directed to the people left behind so it is proof for them. Not proof for us now. It's like a video addressed to people in the future.

[edit on 8/26/2008 by AshleyD]

Actually, the description of the sixth seal matches a volcanic eruption more than an eclipse. In Daniel, it says these things are sealed up until the time of the end, and it also gives us # of days to watch for. So I think we will know, and Jesus told us many times to watch. And it also says there will be scoffers. So many are fulfilling that very prophecy! I don't believe the 2015 time line-I think we are much further along than many are aware.

Originally posted by GirlNextDoor

Originally posted by DarksDeception
I so do not understand people whom think there will be a rapture!

If you are a believer, as I am, I will simply say: "answer this then"

Jesus said, "Matt 24:29 - 31"

He specifically said, "after all these things have happened, I will gather my people"

So, no rapture will be until possibly 2015, which will be the end I believe!

I might be wrong, but Jesus can't be!

Thank you for posting this. This has been my own question for many years. Most of my friends are pre-trib rapture believers who think we're at the beginning of the tribulation. Matt 24 always trips me up when I start thinking they're right. But then, the point is also the not knowing, right? I've come to a "hope there's a rapture but have a Plan B" mindset. Oh me of little faith, haha.

Just to add my .02 worth, DarksDeception is correct - except for the date guess because not even Christ knows that (per His own words). A lot of people point to 1 Corinthians 15:49-55 as proof of a "rapture", but even this passage states that "For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed." So the dead will be raised first, then anyone left alive will be transformed.

Again in 1 Thessalonians 4:15–17 it states ""For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord." Specifically stating that the dead will be raised first. I just don't get how people such as Jack Van Impe can quote the "decending from Heaven with a shout" part as proof of a pre-trib rapture when the previous sentence clearly says the dead will be raised first.

So there really is no Biblical teaching of the rapture. In fact, there was no real teaching of this "rapture" until a 15 year old epileptic self described "prophetess" named Margret McDonald had a "vision" of a secret rapture of the church elect. She is said to have shared this vision with John Nelson Darby who became known as the "father of dispensationalism" And from there the belief of a "secret rapture" was taught with out of context verses thrown in for backup. But these verses, in my opinion, clearly state that the dead will be raised first and then we will all be judged. No rapture for us. We will have to go through the horrors just like everyone else.

reply to post by Fromabove


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Please note the greek verb 'know' is eido, and it is only used in certain past tense only. That doesn't pertain to the generation that will see the return of Christ.

Originally posted by eNumbra
Personally, I would never worship a god who would take in people who began to pray simply because they were frightened by such a crappy video.

That is not what was being said here. As much as I don't totally believe in this rapture business I can tell you that God isn't going to take you in just because you pray. You have to accept Christ first and not under forced pretences either.

So I guess I agree with you that I wouldn't want a god like that either. I just don't think that was what his was meaning is all. I think he is trying to spread some urgency here to look at your life and hopefully come to Christ.

Personally, I don't think that would work. By this point you either are or your not. And I respect that as long as you respect my feelings. I can see where you might get angry by the thought of God trying to frighten you into believing... but I honestly don't think that was what he was saying.

Hope that helps.

Originally posted by Syntaxstealth
reply to post by DanielsMagi

 

I thank you for that post. Not only is the end of the world coming, but WE are ALL going to be SAVED by the famous Youtube post from Christ. lmao


You cant be serious.....

Personally, I think it is funny. No, not the rapture or this last post, but the way the person was attacked for their beliefs on here. This is supposed to be an open forum, not a place to attack people. People get attacked on here all the time and I can't figure it out. Aren't we supposed to all be on the same page here? Meaning that this is a place to bring new ideas and thoughts.... a safe place where your thoughts and questions will be answered in a SCIENTIFIC and respectful way.

As stupid as I think things like Reptillians and 9/11 conspiracies are I NEVER attack a person for their belief. I respect it. If I can I will try to offer proof, one way or the other... but to attack them??? That is truly stupid.

By attacking this person you only show your immaturity and fundamental lack of compassion.

I'm a Christian, but I don't truly believe in the rapture. As stated previously, but in a nasty tone, it was created by man and ONLY suggested in the Bible. In Corithians it talks about the faithful being gathered up into heaven. So I suppose it is possible, but I don't see it as likely... but guess what? I don't care and I'll tell you why.

I'm ready whether there is a rapture or not.

I just think it is funny how an ATS member cared for you all so much to put himself on the chopping block with this message and was unmercifully attacked. If that is how non-believers act to their co-horts...then I am glad I'm not one.

Sorry... but I love this forum and I love bringing up serious debate. I don't care if I'm wrong or not... I want to hear what everyone says because it helps me understand better to hear other's viewpoints.. but not if your going to rip on people.

I suppose there's not much we can do about it because people are just going to be mean no matter what sometimes... but at least try people. I'm sure the poster would not have minded hearing a serious discussion on this matter.. pro or against... but to attack him so horribly... that is so NOT ATS.

I believe the rapture is true. God gave us his son for a reason and that was to save humanity. Time is near.

Originally posted by tallcool1
...So there really is no Biblical teaching of the rapture. In fact, there was no real teaching of this "rapture" until a 15 year old epileptic self described "prophetess" named Margret McDonald had a "vision" of a secret rapture of the church elect. She is said to have shared this vision with John Nelson Darby who became known as the "father of dispensationalism" And from there the belief of a "secret rapture" was taught with out of context verses thrown in for backup. But these verses, in my opinion, clearly state that the dead will be raised first and then we will all be judged. No rapture for us. We will have to go through the horrors just like everyone else.

Would you care to put your money where your mouth is? What will you offer me if I can show that there were people talking about the rapture before Darby and McDonald? What will you give me if I can show that 1,000 years before Darby and McDonald people were speaking of the rapture? What will you give me if I can trace it EASILY all the way back to approximately 380 A.D.? (Here's a hint on whether you want to accept my challenge: The first guy that made a similar offer online to what I have outlined is out $10,000 to someone!)

Here is a link with some of the earliest known writings of the rapture: home.comcast.net...

Here is the most interesting one, with emphasis my own.:

Ephraim the Syrian (4th century)

Ephraim was from a part of the world where the Book of Revelation was not accepted as the cannon of scripture. It wasn't accepted as scripture by the Church of Syria until 508 AD. So the book of Revelation may or may not have been an influence on his thinking.

"For all the saints and Elect of God are gathered, prior to the tribulation that is to come, and are taken to the Lord lest they see the confusion that is to overwhelm the world because of our sins" (On the Last Times, the Antichrist, and the End of the World, by Ephraem the Syrian, A.D. 373).

[edit on 26-8-2008 by sir_chancealot]

reply to post by tallcool1


Hey Tallcool, I think you hit it on the head with Darby. Until the 1830's there was never ANY talk of a rapture. So I'm with you, I think we will all have to go thru the tribulations. But that's ok... cause I'm ready. I just hope I survive long enough to see Jesus come back in the clouds... wow would that be a cool day!

One other thought on this. Christ said we won't know the day, hour, or minute.... does that mean we COULD know the month or year? I have always wondered...

Because some common arguments keep popping up (McDonald, Darby, the trumpets, etc.), here is a link to an article that addressed some of the most common arguments used to argue a pretribulation rapture:

raptureready.com...

And although I am pretty tired of debating the topic, if anyone just wants to check it out, I made a thread about the rapture on BTS:

www.belowtopsecret.com...

reply to post by sir_chancealot

Very interesting Chancealot.... You've given us some stuff to read here and I will have to get back to you on it. This is the first time I have ever been presented with trib writings prior to Darby.

I'm open to it if it is real. I also want to make darn sure that these people aren't mis-interpreting what is being written. Sometimes these guys can be talking about something else entirely and we miss it.

But great work on getting this information! Can't wait to read it!

reply to post by DanielsMagi


Thousands of people disappear everyday, what makes you believe it hasn't already begun?

Give that thought some consideration.

Also, when reading the scripture, I get the impression that the number of people in the rapture is to be a very small number.

Originally posted by Alienmojo
reply to post by sir_chancealot

 

Very interesting Chancealot.... You've given us some stuff to read here and I will have to get back to you on it. This is the first time I have ever been presented with trib writings prior to Darby.

I'm open to it if it is real. I also want to make darn sure that these people aren't mis-interpreting what is being written. Sometimes these guys can be talking about something else entirely and we miss it.

But great work on getting this information! Can't wait to read it!

That's cool. I just hate seeing people repeat the old "Darby/McDonald" thing, when it isn't true. I should have been a little more restrained in how I presented it, so I do appologize for that. Sometimes, I can be a little sarcastic.

That was an awesome video!..Thanks for the laugh.

I love the arrogance too btw. Since you are trying to save us and all because you are not going to be here.

If, by chance, you are still here in September would there be anything you would like to add to your thread? Would you admit to being wrong? Or are you going to change the date?

I say things are going to roll on as if normal. If I am wrong I will start a thread admitting you are correct and I am wrong. Just so you have a peace of mind while up there on your golden streets and all.

My guess is you would not admit it, but by all means, correct me if I am wrong. Also, If you are soooo concerned for the non believers here on ats that you took the time to make a video and upload it, what have you done for your loving family members?

Are they saved?..really saved? I think you should make sure...just in case. good luck.

edit to add:

It is not the belief that i find obtuse or makes me want to mock the thread. It is the arrogance of the person making the statement.

I can tell you my reaction would have been completely different if the OP took a different attitude like: "ok here is something I believe may happen in your near future."

Something like that I would find more acceptable. Without all the preachyness. I don't think people on ats come here to be preached too...
just my pennies...

[edit on 26-8-2008 by abelievingskeptic]

Originally posted by crawgator406
reply to post by DanielsMagi

 

Mark 13:32"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

It says no one knows ABOUT, as in we dont know what will happen exactically, and i do not believe that we will know the exact date (as that is mentioned elsewere as to be unknown) but we can be close. There wouldn't be a point to revelation if we weren't supposed to know some things about his coming.

I'm going to remain skeptical, but i will say that i am intrigued, and will pass on the information.

Originally posted by monkeybus
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Thoguht just ocured, wasnt the rapt |re stuff added, to the original bible by an old translator/printer,who wanted to| get his views and interpretations out to the worlds, by printing in the colums|, at the sides of the pages, not actually changing the bible per se~ but | actually heavily influincing million of westerners(u.s) by doing this.similar| to adding a referance to words, in a book.
-- |-----

| Or it could just be reffering to an astono
|-minal even such as a change of age
MonkeyBs |(aquarius,scorpius...)

You said what?????????????????????????? Not sure I understand?

First I would like to say I've been a long time reader of this site. I notice a lot of these threads and I have to ask myself why do people try to predict these things.

The Astronomical event you describe will happen but here's the thing, it's happened before. Everything is on a cycle. Plus the Rapture is only one interpretation of scripture. An Eclipse is witnessed only by part of the world. Is this Eclipse going to be in the Eastern Hemisphere or is going to be seen in the Western? Does it matter? Yes it does. Read your Bible. Revelation concerns the Middle East. (Just one interpretation)

Interpretation is what it all boils down to. So here is an idea I think we can all get behind. STOP BEING A DOOMSAYER AND LIVE FOR TODAY.

Why do you think the Bible says no one knows the day, minute or hour? Because we're not supposed to. We're not supposed to be thinking about the end of the world. It will happen when it happens.

The bible states that jesus says that man will not know of the imminent return of christ for his thousand year reign, so by that very quote...this thread is null and void

Originally posted by darkelf

Originally posted by MurderCityDevil
haha you said rapture

there is nowhere in the bible a so called rapture

i cant wait til all those people are gone and done with then

geesh

nothing is going to happen
ok

ok good

have a nice week

The word 'rapture' comes from the Latin word 'rapturo' (Latin Bible). This was translated from the Greek word "harpazo' (original Greek) and is translated as 'catching away' in the King James Version.

So yes, the word 'rapture' is not in any English Bibles, but comes from a word in the Latin one.

Thank you for clearing that up and explaining it so well. The rapture IS in the Bible and is NOT some fictional belief made up in the 1800's.
The Bible teaches that we will be called to "come up hither" before the tribulation begins according to John as written in Revelation.
It is written we will be caught up in the "twinkling of an eye" to meet the Lord "in the air".
In 2 Thessalonians Paul writes that the Anti-Christ cant be revealed until the one who restrains him is removed from the earth.

Who is the one who restrains him? It is the same who is called to "come up hither" to meet him in the air. The bride of Jesus.

In another New Testament writting ( I cant remember exactly right now)
a man is told to love his wife the way Christ loves the Church, meaning that Christ wife is the Church, so to the person who asked about who will be taken, it is the Church.
The Rapture will be sudden and it will be selective. Those who have gone to Church a couple times in their lives on Easter and Christmas and have no other interest in getting to know Jesus will be left behind.

The New Testament is not the only evidence for the Rapture, and a pre-tribulation Rapture becomes a sure thing when you research the way God has worked in the past.

Noah and his family got in the Ark and were saved from the destruction BEFORE the flood waters came. Noah was a righteous man.

Rahab the prostitute showed faith in hiding the spies sent by Joshua - Yeshua - Jesus - Get it?
She tied the red cord in her window - ( the blood of Christ seen through the window of the soul, our eyes)
Her household believed in the promise of Yeshua and also came under the protection of the blood, and they were saved from out of Jericho BEFORE the walls came down.

Lot was warned and saved from Soddom BEFORE the destruction came upon it from the Lord and Soddom was destroyed. The book of Hebrews calls Lot a "righteous" man.

Whats the point? God gets His people OUT OF HARMS WAY before He brings judgment down on the world. The Church will be Raptured pre-tribulation.

I will not commit to the idea of September 2008 as the time completely, but it is very interesting and very thought provoking. As for the September 2008 time, Methuselah died the day that Noah closed up the Ark, and Noah had 7 days to morn his death before the rain came.
America has had 7 years to morn the September 11th attacks..........

Could it mean that it is coming very soon?
I dont know but I pray that it is