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Originally posted by ThroatYogurt
Answer the two questions please. I would like times to both questions.

I have answered them. I have proven that the firemen were out of the building before the phone call.

So the fire commader could not have been talking about the firemen when he stated PULL IT

Ultima..


Allow me to ask again:

What TIME was the collapse zone created?

What TIME was Silverstein talking to the FDNY?

Two straight forward questions. Please give me your answers in TIMES.

Thank you,

-TY-

Originally posted by gavron

Originally posted by ULTIMA1
You must have also missed the several steel buidlings i have posted that had longer lasting fires and as much or more structural damage then the WTC buildings and DID NOT collapse.

What size airliners flew into those builds? Were their speeds comparable to that of the WTC aircraft? How much jet fuel was involved in those fires?

If they diidnt have planes fly into them (meaning thousands of tons of material travelling at 500mph+ crashing into them....with jet fuel....then your fires are irrelevant. Apples and oranges.

THIS is what happens to a building when a Boeing 747 dives into it!



with blazing fire:



Overview complex:



The photo's are from a crash in Holland (4 october 1992) with a Israeli freight B747 plane which had just fueled up with 80-90 tons of fuel nearby (Schiphol Airport).

Is is a apartment building 10-12 stories high as far as I can see.

And it all still stands where the plane did not hit, amazing, isn't it. Really guys, this is a little building, a carthouse compared to the WTC ones, and it still stands, as it should be.

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The explosion happens in the video within the first 10 secs. The firemen says "You hear that?" "Did you hear that? That things gonna be coming down soon."

There are other videos I could put up but I thought the one that came strait from CNN would be clear enough. Maybe you should just watch it again.

Originally posted by ThroatYogurt
Ultima..

Allow me to ask again:

Allow me to ask, do you have any evidence of times that would debate the fact that Chief Nigro evacuated the firemen before the call?

[edit on 24-8-2008 by ULTIMA1]

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You can ask me anything you want.

I would like you to answer the questions presented to you.

You know what they are .. please answer them.

Originally posted by ThroatYogurt
You can ask me anything you want.

Thats funny you do not respond or answer back to most of my posts.

reply to post by ULTIMA1


IF you can't answer the two questions, please say so.

Thank you,

-TY-

Originally posted by ThroatYogurt
IF you can't answer the two questions, please say so.

I have answered them.

If the answer does not suit you thats your problem not mine.

www.911myths.com...

Larry Silverstein, the owner of the WTC complex, admitted on a September 2002 PBS documentary, 'America Rebuilds' that he and the NYFD decided to 'pull' WTC 7 on the day of the attack. The word 'pull' is industry jargon for taking a building down with explosives...

Firehouse: Chief Nigro said they made a collapse zone and wanted everybody away from number 7— did you have to get all of those people out? Hayden: Yeah, we had to pull everybody back. It was very difficult. We had to be very forceful in getting the guys out. They didn’t want to come out. There were guys going into areas that I wasn’t even really comfortable with, because of the possibility of secondary collapses. We didn’t know how stable any of this area was. We pulled everybody back probably by 3 or 3:30 in the afternoon. We said, this building is going to come down, get back. It came down about 5 o’clock or so, but we had everybody backed away by then.

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reply to post by ULTIMA1


You did not answer them.

Here....


One at a time then shall we?


What time was the collapse zone created around WTC-7?

reply to post by Techsnow


Thank you Tech... for the answer to question number 1.

See Ultima that wasn't so hard was it?

Now... on to question #2.

What time did Silverstein talk to the FDNY?

[edit on 24-8-2008 by ThroatYogurt]

Originally posted by ThroatYogurt
What time was the collapse zone created around WTC-7?

How many times must i prove that the firemen were out of the building before the call was made?

Are you ever going to be adult enough to admit they were out before the call?

www.firehouse.com...

Firehouse: Chief Nigro said they made a collapse zone and wanted everybody away from number 7� did you have to get all of those people out?
Hayden: Yeah, we had to pull everybody back. It was very difficult. We had to be very forceful in getting the guys out. They didn�t want to come out. There were guys going into areas that I wasn�t even really comfortable with, because of the possibility of secondary collapses. We didn�t know how stable any of this area was. We pulled everybody back probably by 3 or 3:30 in the afternoon. We said, this building is going to come down, get back. It came down about 5 o�clock or so, but we had everybody backed away by then.

911guide.googlepages.com...

For these reasons I made the decision (without consulting the owner, the mayor or anyone else - as ranking fire officer, that decision was my responsibility) to clear a collapse zone surrounding the building and to stop all activity within that zone. Approximately three hours after that order was given, WTC 7 collapsed.

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I am under the impression that maybe Chief Nigro had word from someone, maybe Silverstein IDK, that the building was going to be demolished or collapse, so of course he pulled everyone out.

Does this mean they planted the demo's on that day? Not likely since there are so many reports of explosions. It could be possible that they were slowly demolishing the building, letting off one charge at a time.

Originally posted by Techsnow
I am under the impression that maybe Chief Nigro had word from someone, maybe Silverstein IDK, that the building was going to be demolished or collapse, so of course he pulled everyone out.
.

Problem is that Silverstein had no authority over what was going on.

The Fire Commander was in control of everything going on that day.

it may not prove detonations but it does prove that "no reports of explosions" is either a blatant lie or a terrible oversight in the investigation. why would they ignore or lie about anyone hearing explosions no matter what or why it was exploding? and if there were explosions going off all day, then surely they are in the NIST report right? i mean those explosions must have been something exploding somewhere right? you would think that might be important when investigating why a building fell down.

Again, you have created a circular argument. The reports of pops & “explosions” are quite prevalent. Now, a report that you likely never had any intention on believing is released… and it doesn’t classify these as explosions? Here is a huge clue for you… because they weren’t. That is the point.

As for Silverstein, regardless of what time who talked to who, it will never be clear what was known & when, so the conversation will never prove anything either way. Between Silverstein milking his limelight time & most people not knowing the WTC Complex was made up of multiple buildings (let alone the exact building numbers) this conversation will never prove anything other then pity paranoia.

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Are you SERIOUSLY trying to tell me that there were no explosions?

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As usual you have failed to answer a simple question.

You do not know what time Silverstein spoke with anyone from the FDNY.

Originally posted by ThroatYogurt
You do not know what time Silverstein spoke with anyone from the FDNY.

Well we do know from Chief Nigro's statement that he evacuated the firemen without talking to anyone. So common sense would state it was before the call to Siverstein.

Originally posted by ULTIMA1


Well we do know from Chief Nigro's statement that he evacuated the firemen without talking to anyone. So common sense would state it was before the call to Siverstein.

Can you PLEASE re-read what you just posted.

We all know he did not speak with Nigro. I did not ask you what time he talked to Nigro. Silverstein claims to have spoken to someone at the FDNY...one of the commanders.

Anyway..I am done with this conversation regarding Silverstein. You proved my point without answering either question. Thank you .