John McCain Doesn't Own Any Houses

Oh ok so McCains wife Cindy doesnt count eh?

I guess thats the same deal for michelle?!

Oh wait no you republicans dont seem to see the hypocrisy here.

BTW- they have a pre-nuptual also, so he really does not own those homes and he is not rich. His wife however is...

Originally posted by nyk537
I really don't see what any of this has to do with anything.

Who cares if these guys are wealthy? Honestly? What's wrong with being wealthy?

This is just pure class envy and quite frankly its disgusting.

I agree with you, nyk. I see no problem with McCain having married into a fortune. This is America, and we're all programmed from birth to buy into the great lie that money=happiness. And, if you don't have money, there is something wrong with you. Society will spit on you if your car isn't fancy enough, for instance. Even though another great lie, says that credit [i.e. usury!] is good for the consumer; the vast majority of fancy new vehicles out on our roads are paid for with credit. That said, we are free to marry [and divorce] whomever we want, for whichever reasons.

It is class envy. However, McCain's failure to know how many houses he and the Mrs. owns reveals this to me: that he just may be out-of-touch with the average working man or woman in these exceptionally difficult economic times. And that will cost him many votes, and ultimately [IMO], the election. That, and the fact that we're also being programmed to vote for Obama.

Funny thing: McCain's fourth, tops, on my list of whom I'll cast my vote for come Election Day. Besides, this ain't the G.O.P.'s year. Too bad the neo-cons have stripped the party of true conservative values. For profit and power, of course!



[edit on 8.22.2008 by ItsTheQuestion]

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic


I'd rather hear "I don't know", than to hear "it's above my pay grade".

You know, the question sounds sooooo simple. But, when you have to protect your assets from the greedy dems (they're always wanting to re-distribute the wealth of others, ie... BHO's windfall profits tax) it gets a little complicated. It seemed the emphasis was on YOU, how many homes do YOU own? Well, if you're not sure how your wealthy wife shelters the assest, it's best to give the most accurate response. I don't know!

What if he had said "I own 7 homes". And then the liberal MSM starts digging and finds HE actually owns zero? What then? McCain claims he owns 7 homes, according to blah, blah, blah he's not listed on any of the titles/deeds, he must be hiding something... So you see, I don't know is not a bad response.

Edited to add: I lived in AZ for 18 years, from 1982 to 1989 I lived around the corner from Senator McCain just off Central. He has/had a modest home for someone worth a hundred million dollars.


[edit on 8/22/2008 by TheRooster]

Originally posted by TheRooster
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic

 

I'd rather hear "I don't know", than to hear "it's above my pay grade".

This is Obamas thoughts about abortion right? Whos right is it to meddle into somebody else life decision? His damn straight its above his paygrade! the decision of abortion by an individual is above anybodies paygrade and opinion. This is the land of freedom, you may not agree with abortion but its not your choice or mine in that matter. Regardless of what laws you stick there over abortions, it will continue to happen and theres nothing you can do about it just like you have no choice in whether somebody chooses to carry a gun or not.

The fetus is still part of the body under 20 weeks, the individual still has that choice because as far as I can see it, its in their body, its their body, THEIR choice. Keep your hands and your BS out of some elses decision. Its their constitutional right. If you want to go around acting all pro-life then you better start looking at the death penalty and the soldiers dying in pointless wars overseas. Hypocrite.

You know, the question sounds sooooo simple. But, when you have to protect your assets from the greedy dems (they're always wanting to re-distribute the wealth of others, ie... BHO's windfall profits tax) it gets a little complicated.

you serious? His telling everybody else that theres no economic problem when the evidence is starring him in the face, he calls those suffering "a nation of whiners", while the economy is suffering his covering Bushes ass and his $200 million a day war of lies. Then he has the nerve to go and call Obama an elitist and at the same time this guy cant remember howmany houses he has. His out of touch with the common man, his in bed with the oil corporations, why do you feel the need to cover his ass? why does your party vote against true conservative values?

It seemed the emphasis was on YOU, how many homes do YOU own? Well, if you're not sure how your wealthy wife shelters the assest, it's best to give the most accurate response. I don't know!

McCain has been the one claiming his in touch with the "common american" and his the one calling his opponent "elitist". I think its a relevant question, one he was just asking for when he and his neocon pals decided to open their mouths.

What if he had said "I own 7 homes". And then the liberal MSM starts digging and finds HE actually owns zero? What then?

Then there would no issue would there now? Only he does have 7 homes, this excuse that its his wifes, not his, doesnt cut it im sorry. Righties decided to make the wifes of the candidates fair game a long time ago, dont flip flop on the last minute when it backfires.

Now Im sure foxnews and limbaugh is covering McCains ass at the moment, I suggest you go listen to them if you dont like hearing the truth. Oh wait you all already do that.

McCain claims he owns 7 homes, according to blah, blah, blah he's not listed on any of the titles/deeds, he must be hiding something... So you see, I don't know is not a bad response.

Just like the way you all were going on about how Obamas a muslim? Or that he wasnt born in the country? there is yet to be evidence provided to support that little myth. As for McCains situation, sure those houses are jointly owned by him and his wife. Like I said, you fellas made the wives and guilt by association "fair game" a long time ago, you cant go turning around changing your stance when it doesnt suit you.

I lived in AZ for 18 years, from 1982 to 1989 I lived around the corner from Senator McCain just off Central. He has/had a modest home for someone worth a hundred million dollars.

And that was 20years ago?

[edit on 22-8-2008 by southern_Guardian]

Originally posted by DocMoreau
reply to post by CO Vet

 

So did Cindy buy him the $520 loafers as well?

Anyone who votes for John McCain needs to come to grips with the fact that he cheated on his crippled first wife, and then married his young scarlet letter-bearer one month after his divorce was finalized. His new wife Cindy was young, pretty, and extremely wealthy. And she made it very clear that she wore 'the pants' when it came to the checkbook in the new McCain family.

If you are a voter who found Hillary Clinton an overbearing first lady, watch and see what happens if McCain is elected. Cindy McCain is no Jackie O, that is for sure....

Either way... Who bought the $520 loafers? Maybe John McCain did, since he had so much money left over since he 'doesn't own any homes' or what ever your premise is.
DocMoreau

Labor organization looks to paint McCain as elitist

“McCain’s worth over $100 million…,” the mailer also says. “He walks around in $520 Italian loafers. If John McCain lost his Social Security, he’d get by just fine. Would you?”

In 2006 the Arizona senator earned $3.9 million and has a net worth of $40.4 million, which Democrats have noted in an effort to paint McCain as out-of-touch with the average voter.

McCain’s net worth far succeeds Obama’s $1.3 million. In 2006, the presumptive Democratic nominee earned $991,000.

its class envy now, is it?

mccain is older and has amassed more wealth than obama... and why wouldnt he have?

it is smart to amass wealth, so naturally an older person would be more wealthier than a younger person... this is a surprise to anyone?

women are often better at running a household than men, another non-surprise.

by the time obama is mccains age, you can bet he will not be terribly reliant on a ss check, either

obama is no working class pauper...

Originally posted by Andrew E. Wiggin
A legally binding contract (marriage) makes the property his as much as hers

Yep.

"What's mine is mine, and what's hers is mine."

Of course every married man here knows that is total bull#$%&

Honestly, who gives a crap how many houses the guy owns!! I don't go around telling everybody I know how much money I have or what I have in my house! And to be honest, I'm not basing my vote off of how much each candidate has or owns. This is irrelevant to the presidential race! Let's get back on the real topics and stop worrying about this petty stuff.

McCain doesn't own any of the homes because he doesn't care. He doesn't live a life of extravagance. He doesn't live on Capitol Hill. He doesn't vacation all the time. One of these houses is used to house an elderly family member at that. McCain isn't an elitist. He's just a normal guy that happened to marry a woman with money, but not for her money. It's luck of the draw. He's not like Obama, so elitist he gets special discounts on homes and properties from Tony Rezko. He's not like the Democrats that get special discounts on interest rates from Countrywide.

But don't tell the MSM that. After all, Obama is the MSM's candidate and America's first affirmative action candidate. He needs special treatment in order to make it

If you started a thread about how many houses either of them own in the Bully Pulpit Forum, wouldn't you lose all your points?

I mean it's not really an issue is it?

Wasn't there some scandal about Obama's mansion and how he got it WAY sub-prime?

Glass houses and all that

reply to post by southern_Guardian


Boy where do I start with this response? I guess from the top.

Your quote; "This is Obamas thoughts about abortion right? Whos right is it to meddle into somebody else life decision? His damn straight its above his paygrade!"

Dude, put the BHO Koolaid down and step back from the alter. The man was asked his OPINION. The answer (or non answer) was BHO doing wht BHO does best, pandering for votes!

Your quote; "His out of touch with the common man, his in bed with the oil corporations, why do you feel the need to cover his ass? why does your party vote against true conservative values?"

It's He's out of touch by the way. Every career politician in DC is out of touch... and in bed with lobbyists from almost every industry in America, BHO and McCain included.

My quote; "What if he had said "I own 7 homes". And then the liberal MSM starts digging and finds HE actually owns zero? What then?"

Your quote; "Then there would no issue would there now?"

southern_Guardian please, it seems anytime any candidate mis-speaks these days they get hammered for it. If McCain had mis-spoke and said he owns 7 homes teh press would have done the math and reported (twisted) the facts to suit their agenda.

Your Quote; "Now Im sure foxnews and limbaugh is covering McCains ass at the moment, I suggest you go listen to them if you dont like hearing the truth. Oh wait you all already do that."

Like most conservative Republican capitalists I work my a$$ off for 12 to 13 hours a day. I'm a single father working to restore what my lesbian wife desimated in our divorce. FYI I don't get much of a chance to listen to the radio or watch TV. When I'm done with my work day my "Dad" day starts. My closest family member lives 800 miles away from me and I have no one to lean on except my son. I'm sure much to your displeasure, many like me are independant thinkers, we don't need daily "programming" to form our own opinions.

Your quote; "Just like the way you all were going on about how Obamas a muslim? Or that he wasnt born in the country? there is yet to be evidence provided to support that little myth."

Proof? Will this suffice? The facts are undisputed by Obama that his mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, was a U.S. Citizen however, his father, Barack Obama, Sr., was a Citizen of Kenya. Obama's parents, according to divorce records, were married on or about February 2, 1961.
Obama claims he was born in Honolulu, Hawaii on August 4, 1961; however, has never given the name of the hospital he was born in; whereas Obama's grandmother on his father's side, half brother and half sister claim Obama was born in Kenya. Reports reflect Obama's mother went to Kenya during her pregnancy; however, she was prevented from boarding a flight from Kenya to Hawaii at her late stage of pregnancy, which apparently was a normal restriction to avoid births during a flight. Stanley Ann Dunham (Obama) gave birth to Obama in Kenya, after which she flew to Hawaii and registered Obama's birth. There are records of a "registry of birth" for Obama, on or about August 8, 1961 in the public records office in Hawaii.
Upon investigation into the birth of Barack Hussein Obama in Honolulu, Hawaii, Obama's birth is reported as occurring at two (2) separate hospitals, Kapiolani Hospital and Queens Hospital.

It can be found here: www.freerepublic.com...


My quote; I lived in AZ for 18 years, from 1982 to 1989 I lived around the corner from Senator McCain just off Central. He has/had a modest home for someone worth a hundred million dollars.

Your quote; "And that was 20years ago"?

Yes, 20 years ago when he and his wife were only worth about $75 million, still pretty humble digs IMHO

Originally posted by TheRooster
Dude, put the BHO Koolaid down and step back from the alter. The man was asked his OPINION. The answer (or non answer) was BHO doing wht BHO does best, pandering for votes!

Abortion is the choice of the individual, their body. To ask somebodies opinion on somebody elses personal situation is inappropriate im sorry. Righties have to keep their heads out of others lives if they want to avoid more hypocrisy.

Now i supported the Democrats and opposed the war at a time you were called unpatriotic and a traitor by righties. I supported Barack Obama at a time when Hillary was assumed to be the Democratic nominee. Im a liberal and I dont agree with McCain and his Bush policies. The vast majority of Obama supporters share the above with me. You can cut the koolaid BS out now. The only people making such comments are the same people who blindly followed Bush back in 2003.

It's He's out of touch by the way. Every career politician in DC is out of touch... and in bed with lobbyists from almost every industry in America, BHO and McCain included.

No I dont buy into this "its all politicians" talk. I hear far too many times members on this forum complaining and whining about the two party system and politicians in general yet these very same members outright support one of these politicians in another thread. Your not going to flip flop for me are you?

McCain declared his committment to Bush and his oil cronies, I am yet to see Obama declare his committment is such an accusation is to be made.

southern_Guardian please, it seems anytime any candidate mis-speaks these days they get hammered for it. If McCain had mis-spoke and said he owns 7 homes teh press would have done the math and reported (twisted) the facts to suit their agenda.

Exactly, candidates mispeak yet its your grand ol party that makes a big deal out of this when it suits their agenda, this is partly why this issue of McCains houses had been brought up. You cant flip flop the minute something backfires.

Now as for McCains houses, he was asking for it when he and his neocon buddies decided to be hypocritical.

Like most conservative Republican capitalists I work my a$$ off for 12 to 13 hours a day. I'm a single father working to restore what my lesbian wife desimated in our divorce. FYI I don't get much of a chance to listen to the radio or watch TV. When I'm done with my work day my "Dad" day starts. My closest family member lives 800 miles away from me and I have no one to lean on except my son. I'm sure much to your displeasure, many like me are independant thinkers, we don't need daily "programming" to form our own opinions.

(I commend you for working hard as single father.)

And tell me how is McCain going to assist people like you while his wasting $200 million a day in a pointless war? How is McCain going to solve your money woes on fuel if his "drill drill drill" policy wont do anything for you in the next 10years? McCain voted 95% with Bush this here, he offers nothing different from the last 8years. Im sorry you have to work your ass but your not giving this nation a new direction by voting in McCain.

Proof? Will this suffice? The facts are undisputed by Obama that his mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, was a U.S. Citizen however, his father, Barack Obama, Sr., was a Citizen of Kenya. Obama's parents, according to divorce records, were married on or about February 2, 1961.
Obama claims he was born in Honolulu, Hawaii on August 4, 1961; however, has never given the name of the hospital he was born in; whereas Obama's grandmother on his father's side, half brother and half sister claim Obama was born in Kenya. Reports reflect Obama's mother etc (sourced from free republic)

And you source this information from free republic right? Are you sure this is an appropriate source of information? I may be "some liberal" to you but I know better than to stick to places that are far left leaning. To make it even worse I know some of that information above is from Corsi, the same guy that wrote a book slamming Kerry but was discredited soon after:
mediamatters.org...
mediamatters.org...

Now Obama was born in Hawaii and this was confirmed by the proper state authority:
www.politifact.com...
mediamatters.org...

From polifact:

The certificate has all the elements the State Department requires for proving citizenship to obtain a U.S. passport: "your full name, the full name of your parent(s), date and place of birth, sex, date the birth record was filed, and the seal or other certification of the official custodian of such records." The names, date and place of birth, and filing date are all evident on the scanned version, and you can see the seal above.

Now the only claim that Obamas certificate is fake comings from rightwing websites that have a history of posting propaganda in favour of the republicans. None of the neutral fact-checking websites agree with the claims coming from these rightwing propaganda sites:

Factcheck.org
www.factcheck.org...

Media matters
mediamatters.org...

Politifact
www.politifact.com...

-The birth certificate has been confirmed by Hawaii state registrar Alvin T. Onaka, who has proper authority on the matter. None of the impartial factual sources and websites agree with these rumors that Obamas certificate is fake, they have all confirmed it to be valid.

-The claim that Obamas certificate is fake has only been confirmed by rightwing websites, hardly the place to get "fair and balanced" information.

-Sites like free republic, fox news and authors like Corsi are hardly the people you should get your information from. They are only there to twist evidence and the truth to suit their own agenda, just like MSNBC or Fox news.

Now until the proper authority and the proper factchecking websites confirms Obamas birth certificate is faked, you have no case. Instead of listening to what you want to believe why dont you stick with the relevant issues for POTUS? Im sure there are some good policies you could argue in favour of McCain.

[edit on 23-8-2008 by southern_Guardian]

The number of homes John McCain owns shouldn't be relevant. Unfortunately, it is the McCain camp itself which made it relevant by their efforts to paint Obama as "elitist." McCain owns over a half dozen homes but Obama is elitist?

Look, what's good for the goose is good for the gander. I know some very rich people. None of them own seven (and maybe more) homes. Owning that many extremely expensive homes would certainly put you in a very exclusive elite.

So it's not relevant under normal circumstances. It is the McCain camp which has made it relevant.

I don't have a problem with the fact that his wife inherited a fortune. Kerry's wife did too. I am troubled by how he dumped his first wife, who had remained loyal to him the whole time he was a POW. But that's another thread.

reply to post by southern_Guardian


I only have a minute in between clients so I can't address your entire post, here's a readers digest version.

Your quote; "And tell me how is McCain going to assist people like you while his wasting $200 million a day in a pointless war? How is McCain going to solve your money woes on fuel if his "drill drill drill" policy wont do anything for you in the next 10years? McCain voted 95% with Bush this here, he offers nothing different from the last 8years. Im sorry you have to work your ass but your not giving this nation a new direction by voting in McCain."

I guess this is where most libs don't get it. The solution for any perceived problem is rarely the governments involvement.

Your quote; Exactly, candidates mispeak yet its your grand ol party that makes a big deal out of this when it suits their agenda, this is partly why this issue of McCains houses had been brought up. You cant flip flop the minute something backfires.

It's not just the GOP, both parties have been doing this forever.

Your quote; Now as for McCains houses, he was asking for it when he and his neocon buddies decided to be hypocritical.

Agreed!

Your quote; No I dont buy into this "its all politicians" talk. I hear far too many times members on this forum complaining and whining about the two party system and politicians in general yet these very same members outright support one of these politicians in another thread. Your not going to flip flop for me are you?

2 years ago Nancy Pelosi was voted into the speakership based on the promise of change, and so far what's changed? I'm sorry but I think we need to wipe the slate clean. To me "its all politicians", every single one of them that has made a career out of it. And by the way, show me one post where I either flipped or flopped and I'll print this out and eat it!

Your quote; Now the only claim that Obamas certificate is fake comings from rightwing websites that have a history of posting propaganda in favour of the republicans. None of the neutral fact-checking websites agree with the claims coming from these rightwing propaganda sites:

Factcheck.org
www.factcheck.org... "

Factcheck.org is neutural??? That's a stretch my friend.

Gotta go to work

Originally posted by DocMoreau
reply to post by CO Vet

 

So did Cindy buy him the $520 loafers as well?

Anyone who votes for John McCain needs to come to grips with the fact that he cheated on his crippled first wife, and then married his young scarlet letter-bearer one month after his divorce was finalized. His new wife Cindy was young, pretty, and extremely wealthy. And she made it very clear that she wore 'the pants' when it came to the checkbook in the new McCain family.

If you are a voter who found Hillary Clinton an overbearing first lady, watch and see what happens if McCain is elected. Cindy McCain is no Jackie O, that is for sure....

Either way... Who bought the $520 loafers? Maybe John McCain did, since he had so much money left over since he 'doesn't own any homes' or what ever your premise is.
DocMoreau

Labor organization looks to paint McCain as elitist

“McCain’s worth over $100 million…,” the mailer also says. “He walks around in $520 Italian loafers. If John McCain lost his Social Security, he’d get by just fine. Would you?”

In 2006 the Arizona senator earned $3.9 million and has a net worth of $40.4 million, which Democrats have noted in an effort to paint McCain as out-of-touch with the average voter.

McCain’s net worth far succeeds Obama’s $1.3 million. In 2006, the presumptive Democratic nominee earned $991,000.

This is down right laughable! "Cindy McCain is no
Jackie O.that's for sure"

My only response, uh...No but
Michelle Obama is Jackie O.
Incarnate right? Mrs. Racist herself!lol!!!

Originally posted by BlueTriangle

Originally posted by Andrew E. Wiggin
I really don't even get the point of this thread other than a visually impaired version of follow the leader.

I don't get the point of the entire topic. Apparently the Obama campaign does because they're releasing commercials. Who gives a crap how many houses the guy owns?

It has *nothing* to do with how many homes the guy owns. It has *everything* to do with the fact that he doesn't have any idea how many homes he owns. This speaks volumes when it comes to his ability to relate to what the typical American deals with on a daily, weekly, and monthly basis.