Choking dog officer receives death threats

Originally posted by chickenshoes

Originally posted by NOTurTypical


of course it's tragic, but in all honesty, the officer was doing his job. The man can't go that fast, it endangers others.

Ok, let me show you what you typed again.

I wasn't putting words in your mouth.

And, yes, I can concede that possibly the comment was irrelevant to him "doing his job".

But, to me, his insensitive, cruel comment does not speak well of his character. Why did he get into this line of work anyway? It smacks of him being on a power trip (yes, I know, I'm making an assumption here, but I think it's a pretty good one).

? My post you copy/pasted proved my point. Him "doing his job" had to do with pulling the man over. The man actually deserved to take a ride downtown in a squad car for going that fast.

The cops statements are irrelevant to the issue at hand. Yes, given the situation they were careless and insensitive. But that's another thread altogether.

this whole thread it based upon an appeal to emotion argument by default, the OP wants us to "overlook" the fact that the driver was going 30 mph over the speed limit, and justify it internally because there was a chocking dog in the car.

I'm looking at the big picture, this driver was endangering HUMANS, not dogs, lives by driving that fast at night. That was utter disregard for his fellow man on the road.

For arguments sake, what would we say about the cop if he had immediately let the man go, and 2 minutes later the man causes a deadly accident?

They'd be calling for the cop's head! Anyone can agree that the underpinnings to this story are sad, but the man broke the law, in a gross manner, the police officer did his job. It's sad the dog had to perish, but look on the bright side, the cop may have saved a human life or two by pulling this man over.

Originally posted by jackinthebox
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

In the overall scheme of things, I wish the police didn't pull people over for speeding. Give it a few years and the people would start relying on their own common sense, instead of being "fearful" of a ticket.

Take safety inspections for example. Here in NY we have to pay to have our vehicle inspected every year, and be subjected to road blocks supposedly to check that we have done that. If we haven't, you'll wind up paying a fine at the very least, and probably get your car searched. The stickers are bright color-coded by year, so that they can be spotted from a distance too. All this in the name of "safety."

Meanwhile, out in Colorado, they don't even have safety inspections at all. Is this because Colorado doesn't value life? No, it's because they do value freedom and the responsibilies that go along with it.

Then again back here in NY, you see how stupid the inspections are anyway. Shops giving a pass to cars with bald tires, brakes that go out a month after they were inspected, etc.

EDIT to add: When I am driving, the last person I expect to be looking out for my safety is a cop. I know full well that there are plenty of people out there who don't give a poop about paying a speeding ticket in the first place. So it only punishes the poor. Then of course there are all the dangers that the police themselves cause. Not a day goes by that I don't see at least one cruiser travelling at very high speeds, without running code.

Don't you think the argument for voting Democrat or Republican should be held in a different forum??

lol

Originally posted by NOTurTypical


The cops statements are irrelevant to the issue at hand. Yes, given the situation they were careless and insensitive. But that's another thread altogether.

this whole thread it based upon an appeal to emotion argument by default, the OP wants us to "overlook" the fact that the driver was going 30 mph over the speed limit, and justify it internally because there was a chocking dog in the car.

I'm looking at the big picture, this driver was endangering HUMANS, not dogs, lives by driving that fast at night. That was utter disregard for his fellow man on the road.

For arguments sake, what would we say about the cop if he had immediately let the man go, and 2 minutes later the man causes a deadly accident?

They'd be calling for the cop's head! Anyone can agree that the underpinnings to this story are sad, but the man broke the law, in a gross manner, the police officer did his job. It's sad the dog had to perish, but look on the bright side, the cop may have saved a human life or two by pulling this man over.

I can understand that technically, he was in the right, but
a policeman who was truly there to serve and protect and not on a power trip would have seen the situation and given the folks an escort to the nearest AEC.

He could have still given them a ticket or even taken them to jail, but it could have waited until they got to their destination and the dog was being attended to.

If it was his police dog choking, don't you think he'd drive just as fast (or faster)? And do you think he'd put up with being pulled over? Do you think he'd even get pulled over by his buddies?

And yes, I do understand that the idea is to protect the other drivers, but the way he went about it was not good. Callous in the extreme, in fact. Wouldn't that at least point to some kind of psychological instability on his part?

"It's just a dog you can buy another one"
"It's just a baby, you can have another one"

A life is a life, no the person should not have been speeding, but the officer could have taken the pet to the clinic with the driver in the back...

reply to post by umbr45


Well, even if your baby was dieing and you went speeding down the highway and crashed into me killing someone in my family, I would kill you.

I know a man who did ten years in prison for just that in fact. His whole family was killed when the person rushing to the hospital lost it on a turn. The man saw his family dead, and proceeded to beat the other driver to death with his bare hands. Wound up in Greenhaven prison for it.

I actually said the man should not have been speeding, but the officer CAN speed and so could have taken to dog + driver to the clinic and then given him a ticket.

reply to post by umbr45


But I really don't care wether or not the person was speeding. It was important enough to them to take the risk, they didn't crash, the cop was pig. And I agree, the cop could have renedered assistance, especially if he was going to write them a ticket anyway.

Originally posted by burdman30ott6

Edit to add: 95 MPH... they risked the lives of humans sharing the road with them over a damn dog. They deserved the ticket.
[edit on 21-8-2008 by burdman30ott6]

Give me a break mr 'law and order', I see cops driving down two lane streets doing 95mph without their lights or siren, just because they can. Whos going to pull them over?

95mph on a straight highway in an important situation, isn't a big deal. I have done faster then that, and its not dangerous in the right times and situations.

I guess you grew up a saint...

Originally posted by Grafilthy


Well.....seems to be par for the course for police officers these days. "To serve and protect" my @$$!

Score another one for cops not wanting ANY co-operation from the general public.

And if you are responsible for the death of a police dog it's murder?!?!

www.chron.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

As an avid animal lover, I agree this is despicable.

However, your cop bashing is unneeded, you just sound like a pompous high-schooler who hates authority. So kindly kiss my ass. I've had a cop let me go when I was busted speeding(30miles over the speed-limit) to get to work because I stopped to help a dog that had gotten loose in the country. But of course, they all must be evil.

Originally posted by burdman30ott6
I had no idea ATS was so full of transportation design engineers! Wow guys, we should all exchange numbers or something so we can talk shop together.

In all seriousness, every single person who just made an uneducated and inexperienced comment about "the road can easily handle 95 MPH" pat yourselves on the back because you just looked like an ass. I design & analyze highways for a living... I am a licensed professional civil engineer and I am good at what I do. I can say with no hesitation that there is NO highway in the united states that was designed using AASHTO guidelines for 95 MPH.

Well you need to do a bit more testing then, a friend of mine built a car from the ground up for pure speed to see how fast it would go.

He offered to let me go with him so I did. We pegged the speedometer out at 160mph on a standard highway multiple times. That highway held up just fine but the tires on the car ended up melting. We had a blow out at 120mph. We were lucky in that aspect we walked away fine.

Now I'm not condoning this to anyone every little bump in the road after 140 requries massive steering corrections point being the road held up fine the tires did not.

As for the dog if it was already dead no point in rushing I agree in that aspect 100 percent.

reply to post by Grafilthy


Lol lol lol he received death threats?? Lol lol.

Okay, it is not funny what he did at all. I think he's a creep and he should have been fired. What a total loser! Hope he knows what everyone thinks of him. He should be ashamed of himself and shouldn't even be called a human being, never mind and "officer of the law". Whatever! Stupid jackass creep!

reply to post by caitlinfae

"bleeding heart crudolla over animals and start thinking with their heads"

Bad bad attitude, but I guess it's a backyard butcher's attitude, so at least there is consistency. I retract previous remarks about grace and integrity from another thread.

Bad attitude?
ROTFL
You’ve got to be kidding me.

It's a responsible for HUMAN LIFE attitude!

Yes, it is bleeding heart BS when a couple - aged at that (reduced reflexes, eyesight etc) - puts their life and everyone else on the roads at risk for a little dog.

As for the *backyard butcher* comment?
The other thread has to do with respecting animals lives.
This to do with respecting human life and not placing the life of an animal over the life of human beings.

Why you pull up a comment like that I don’t know, nor do I want to.
But for you to use a term like *backyard butcher* is pretty slimy.

Would I do my best to save the life of my dog?
You bet.

Would I endanger my life, the life of the people in the car, the lives of people on the road and in the event of an accident the life of all the Emergency Personnel who respond to the accident- for a little dog?

No.
That’s absurd.


*P*E*A*C*E*

reply to post by ElectroMagnetic Multivers

Spot on, this was on an empty (ish) motorway at midnight, it was still illegal, but everyone claiming that they were stupid for driving that fast, have you even considered that they were only doing 95 because there was know one around? because there was no danger? if it was a built up area, who says they weren't doing the speed limit, maybe they thought to speed on the freeway so they would'nt have to speed through streets packed with cars? sound pretty responsible to me in a sense.

Oh yeah right, well, so, it might not have been kids or other drivers.
But when do all the animals come out?
At night.

Headlines Read:

*Couple speeding on highway hit and kill poor defenseless starving stray trying to cross the street to eat from garbage dumpster while rushing poor pampered wee little FiFi the teacup poodle choking on silver spoon to vet.*

Ok, so that’s ridiculous, but, there’s no such thing as “no danger” when you’re in a car, under acute emotional distress, and speeding.


*P*E*A*C*E*

Well I know I am most likely going to be ignored as most posts for Anonymous usually are.

But having skimmed through a dozen odd pages of reply's to this thread. I have yet to see a post that states. Both of them are at fault, I know that the man and his wife were distraught about there pet. But a little foresight and a cool head. Could have helped them both out greatly. If they had of dialed the police on a cell phone (As almost everyone has one these days) or even from there home phone if they were not cell phone owners. They could have explained the situation and asked for escort or some kind of leeway in the matter. Explained that it was a pet related emergency. And that the animal needed immediate medical care. And that they were leaving or were in transit for that care. In that case I choose to beleive that an officer would have escorted them or dispatch could have informed officers along the route. Police officers at least most of them seem to respond well to and respect when they are given forewarning and details. And usually are more than willing to help when you do. A little foreplanning and a cool head goes along way.

Now as I said there is also fault on the officers side as well, yes he was cruel, cold, uncaring and a general A$$. But unfortunatly in this day and age that seems to be the prevelent behavoiur of most of humanity. One of the many reasons I generally choose not to associate with my fellow parasites, I mean human beings. There are far to many reasons and causes for me to list here. But the man was doing his job, alebitly without sentiment and general compassion. And should receive some sort of reprimand. But we all know it's the old boys system so he will get off. If the dog was already dead as it seems that it may have been. He could have shown more compassion. But that has already been stated here numerous times. And at least let it go and called it a wash.

Now I do own a poodle/#zu myself, a black furred female. And I challange any one that has spent some time with her. To tell me she cannot think, deduct, reason, communicate, love, form multiple thoughts to acheive a goal. Or otherwise act more human than most human beings. And by the way she hold no prejudice, she loves without condition and protects and cares more for her pack (my family) than most people would. I myself consider her a part of my family, and would happily defend her life with mine any day. So "humbug" to all of you who have never know the joy that a dog or any animal can bring into your life. They are little people with there own souls, personailities and quirks. Anyone that has owned a pet knows that. I am sorry your joyless, loveless hearts have never experianced it. But most of you would be to cold to recogize it anyway and it would be lost on you.

Now if I had the same problem, I would call the vet first, the police secound to report I had an animal related emergency and would be travelling at an above average speed to the vets to receive medical attention for her. And would be happy to meet an officer at the vets to receive any ticket or to arrest me. I would also inform them that I would not be stopping till I got there. In this day and age most likely I would get the stop sticks and a taser shot. But at least I called and told em. (And I record the call too)

Well enough said, my 2 Canadian cents on this matter. Peace be with you all, Happy Holidays. And lets all try to be less cynical a$$es and remeber that our ability to show compassion, understanding and love toward one another is what makes us human. To bad I do not see it these days.