Why are there are more conspiracy theorists now than 6 or 7 years ago?

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
More and more people being exposed to the lies of David Griffin, Alex Jones, Craig Ranke etc....and believing them.

Look at the recent posts on ATS..

Power Down of both towers.....long ago shown to be not true.

Bush in charge of security at the WTC....again, long ago shown not to be true

No airplanes in PA or the Pentagon...long ago, shown that there were indeed planes in both locations.

Hijackers still alive...long ago shown that this Isn't true either...


And yet, every couple months, these come up from someone new as some sort of news flash. So it isnt an "awakening" its a shame that more people are believing everything they read on the internet.

You can't be serious, are you telling me that ALL of the Hijackers WERE alive and that Marvin Bush wasn't in charge of security of the WTC buildings?

Where do you have evidence to refute both these claims?


[edit on 21-8-2008 by Techsnow]

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Nope, Marvin Bush had NOTHING to do with security at the WTC on 9/11/01.

Browse the threads on here. The head of security at the WTC was John O'Neill.

Like I said, why don't you provide some backing for that claim because I have much info that claims he did.

Who is John O'Neil



This is all I can find on John O'Neil.

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August 23, 2001: Former FBI Al-Qaeda Expert Begins Job as Head of Security at the WTC

John O’Neill begins his new job as head of security at the WTC. O’Neill had been the special agent in charge of the FBI’s National Security Division in New York, and was the bureau’s top expert on al-Qaeda and Osama bin Laden. [New York Magazine, 12/17/2001; New Yorker, 1/14/2002]

www.historycommons.org...

Marvin Bush was reelected annually to Securacom's board of directors from 1993 through 1999. His final reelection was on May 25, 1999, for July 1999 to June 2000. Throughout, he also served on the company's Audit Committee and Compensation Committee, and his stock holdings grew during the period. Directors had options to purchase 25,000 shares of stock annually. In 1996, Bush acquired 53,000 shares at 52 cents per share. Shares in the 1997 IPO sold at $8.50. Records since 2000 no longer list Bush as a shareholder

www.physics911.ca...:_Security,_Secrecy,_and_a_Bush_Brother

Your "information" is wrong.

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
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Try spelling it right...there are two l's

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I am going to ignore the post above me and simply point out that the possibility that John O'Neil was hired by Marvin Bush.

[edit on 21-8-2008 by Techsnow]

Originally posted by SlightlyAbovePar
Stop urinating on the graves of those who died for your entertainment. If you believe what you say, do something.

Why don't you stop urinating on the graves of those who died by spreading the lies of the media.

Why can't you be mature enough to look for the truth and stop being a media reobot?

You assume so much! I dont live in your country as I've already stated! Have i stated that the towers where brought down by explosives etc no! Im not coming out with any of the long list of theory's, My belief stems from the fact that on that day alot of security measures seemed to go out the window while every other day of the year they are fully intact, there are too many anomolies that happened on that day that causes me great concern, so yes I believe YOUR government simply let these attacks happen, I dont believe they had anything to do with the actual attacks, simply just let it happen for their own goals. In fairness there is alot strange things that went on in the weeks coming up to the attacks, i.e. Taking out a maximum anti-terror insurance on the towers a week or 2 before hand is strange is it not? If you did the research and actually looked at the actual facts not the theories you will find a large number of these indicate something was not right with the story that has been fed to you.

You have the belief that your government could have had nothing to do with these attacks, You must be so sure, to be sitting there on your high horse claiming people talk about this for entertainment only. Ignorance is bliss I say. Its not like your government has EVER had any part in the killing of innocent people before RIGHT!? I am not stating I have the answers but I do know that something was not right the day of the attacks, and if it was my fellow citizens that had died that day I would want to know why so my anomolies, But you obviously know the Truth so forgive me for my belief's. That is why you can post angry post's and sleep soundly at night! Right?
No doubts whatsoever? Amazing!

Originally posted by ThroatYogurt
No sir, I was responding to you.

Can you please present one of these "non-profit" snake-oil salesmen that have presented any facts that shows the "inside job?"

Speak of moving goal posts, I talk about non-profit organizations and now you're asking for me to "present" non-profit organizations that show 9/11 was an inside job, which is a condition I can never fulfill simply because you don't think 9/11 was an inside job and you're probably never going to. Not necessarily because you're right, but because you'll bull-headed.

The goal post movement is a true statement and you know it.

You just did exactly what you are accusing me of. And I still have NO IDEA what goals I shifted in the very first post on this thread. Honestly I think you only post on these forums just to convince yourself you're still alive.

I got into conspiracy theories because of NAIS (animal ID) I started with the USDA followed it to an NGO and then to WTO, OIE ,FAO & Codex. I then looked at GMO's, Monsanto, J B Swift etc. I read the Warmwell account of the idiotic handling of the FMD outbreak In the UK www.warmwell.com... And read Julian Rose's account of an actual European Union meeting about agriculture. Source: www.i-sis.org.uk... Where the chairperson bluntly stated the EU wished to shove a million Polish farmers off their land. I read Sec of Ag Ed Schafer's statements and realised he is working toward the same goals using the same technique. From all these sources I concluded there is an attempt by a cartel of International Ag Corporations to corner the market on food production. Once you open your eyes it is hard not to suspect other mischief and manipulation.

In 1995, Catherine Bertini, former US Assistant Secretary of Agriculture, and Executive Director of the United Nations World Food Program said “FOOD IS POWER. We use it to change behavior. Some may call that bribery. We do not apologize.”

Originally posted by SlightlyAbovePar
If you lack the initiative to take action on your convictions (3,000 innocents were murdered by their own government, and you believe in 'smoking gun evidence' to support this assertion) why bother posting on an internet forum? To what end? Why? For what purpose?

A lot of other people have already tried taking that route (filing lawsuits against government officials). Consider for a second that 9/11 was an inside job, Mr. "Above Par": do you really think lawsuits are going to expose anything in court? Do you have any idea how many exemptions (read: excuses) there are for what can be heard in court when you're dealing with "national security" and the military? Are you really naive enough to believe those things wouldn't be invoked? Sibel Edmonds' case was thrown out by John Ashcroft himself citing national security reasons.

My thought is, if you honestly believe in a giant conspiracy, and you believe there is obvious, smoking gun evidence, isn't it your civic duty to act on it?

The whole angle you're approaching me from is completely wrong, but aside from that I feel obligated to tell you No, I Don't feel it's my "civic duty" to cover everybody else's ass in this country. In the past two or three years I've come to despise our entire system of government and now I'm going to watch all the idiots that have collectively directly supported it and implicitly allowed it reap what they've sown. This country won't get anything it doesn't completely deserve.

Originally posted by bsbray11

Originally posted by ThroatYogurt
No sir, I was responding to you.

Can you please present one of these "non-profit" snake-oil salesmen that have presented any facts that shows the "inside job?"

Speak of moving goal posts, I talk about non-profit organizations and now you're asking for me to "present" non-profit organizations that show 9/11 was an inside job, which is a condition I can never fulfill simply because you don't think 9/11 was an inside job and you're probably never going to. Not necessarily because you're right, but because you'll bull-headed.

The goal post movement is a true statement and you know it.

You just did exactly what you are accusing me of. And I still have NO IDEA what goals I shifted in the very first post on this thread. Honestly I think you only post on these forums just to convince yourself you're still alive.

Bsbray,

I stated Goal post moving and offered several examples of how it happens. CT's get debunked with facts...the posted get shifted. You know this happens.

You state that there are several non-profit organizations that are coming out against the offical story. I asked you to name one that offers proof of a government conspiracy. So far, you have offered none.

Your title of this thread asks why there are more CT's. I gave you one reason.

You can blabber all you want about me posting in here to prove that I am alive. Nice. You (and many others here)don't like my posts because what I offer is what you and others are allegedly looking for:The TRUTH. I am sorry that the evidence squashes your fantasy.

Again, let me know when one of your not for profit websites offer some evidence. I will take my bull headedness right to it.

Originally posted by Techsnow

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
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Try spelling it right...there are two l's

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I am going to ignore the post above me and simply point out that the possibility that John O'Neil was hired by Marvin Bush.

[edit on 21-8-2008 by Techsnow]

securacom provided electronic security services for WTC. So you allow your chipcard maker to hire your security boss? uhuh...

Edit to add:
despite the fact that members of the board seldom do recruiting.

But on the OT: does the number of Believers increase? I too believe the goal posts are moving, yet they come full circle now and then. Folks see "evidence" folks see real evidence. Folks see "evidence" for something else. Folks see the truth. Folks leave. New guy sees the "evidence" for the first time. I tend to think its rotation more than growth...

[edit on 22-8-2008 by debunky]

Originally posted by bsbray11
I was just wondering how people that believe the government and mass media account of 9/11 reconcile the fact that, since 9/11, rather than the conspiracy theories diminishing and being debunked, they've instead gained the support of non-profit organizations of scientists and engineers, professional airline pilots, etc. over the years.

The longer this information is around, the more support it gradually builds. Has Ryan Mackey came up with a cute theory for this yet, or are you guys still scratching your heads?

Well, it's a huge difference than say 5-6 years ago.. I started talking about govt. 9/11 complicity back then, and was roundly criticized and ridiculed for it; lost some friends too.

No one seems to be laughing now.

Why are there so many conspiracy researchers now? Simple! Years ago they, the government etc, would tell the odd lie and cover-up what they didn't want you or I to know about. For each of those lies they had to tell even more lies to make them look sincere and honest. And so you go on until you reach the point, which I believe we now find ourselves in, where it's easy to spot the untruths because they're coming so rapidly, and there's so many of them, that nobody knows whats real and whats fantasy anymore.
I honestly believe that thoughs in the know who peddle the nonsense which we are meant to accept as reality, don't know where the truth lies anymore. It might be a generational thing where those who create the lies and put together the cover-ups spend most of their time trying to keep secret the lies forced on us by their predecessors. . .
I ask, does anyone out there really know what reality is anymore? Once you accept that we are being lied to, and it's crystal clear that we are, all bets are off. 9/11 for instance. . . Is the cover-up to keep secret someones security gaff, or is it to keep the truth of the new world order under wraps? Take your pick. All we know for certain is lately, the last ten to twenty years or so, these lies have been produced in such a quantity that reality itself has taken one hell of a beating. You can't believe the governments lies and what some of the conspiracy researchers come up with is so bizarre that you can't take them seriously either. So what are you left with? The only good honest fact available is that there aint any good honest facts!

The pace and complexity of modern life and the inability of increasing numbers of people to cope with those pressures does strange things to their thought processes.

Let me put it this way, you'll find a direct correlation between the number of workplace shootings and the number of conspiracy theorists.

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Not only did Marvin Bush sit on the board (It think thats right) of the security firm who worked at the trade towers but I believe that the same firm provided security at at least two of the airports where the planes took off from. From memory I think it was Boston and Dulles. . .

To answer the OP...


It's probably because there ARE more conspiracies now then there were 6 or 7 years ago. If you hadn't noticed, things are only getting worse!

Originally posted by Retseh
The pace and complexity of modern life and the inability of increasing numbers of people to cope with those pressures does strange things to their thought processes.

Let me put it this way, you'll find a direct correlation between the number of workplace shootings and the number of conspiracy theorists.

Its worse than that! As people slowly lose rationality and go on shooting sprees etc, the actual shootings become conspiratorial. The guy who holds the gun transforms from someone who simply lost control to a mind washed invisible assassin.