"Quadrennial Exploitation" / "Disgusting election taints" sources [ExposeD]

Part 1

On 8/12/2008, SkepticOverlord, after weeks of persistent coordinated viral attacks that were infecting ATS with politically charged hate filled threads, with no end in sight, and with the quality of our discourse suffering, made the following plea to all ATS members:

Originally posted by SkepticOverlord

Who would have thought, in this bastion of enablement that brings unimaginably diverse people together in an environment of civil and open debate with a mandate of fierce focus on issues and not each other, that we'd encounter the choreographed flotsam of manipulation. Here, right here on our beloved AboveTopSecret.com, we see...

-*- mindless repetition of divisive spoon-fed political talking points

-*- patently false information about candidates presented as truth

-*- exaggerated disaster scenarios if one or the other is elected

-*- shameful racism

-*- shameful bastardization of candidate names

-*- shameful focus on personalities instead of issues

-*- pathetic fear mongering

-*- embarrassingly little focus on real, important, vital issues


With this type of activity here on AboveTopSecret.com, the only thing it's proving is that, nearly four years after I first wrote about it, "they" are winning.

Make no mistake, "they" want you to be focusing on bickering over pointless and utterly meaningless personality disputes.

"They" have a vested stake in an absolute 50/50 split of "conservative" and "liberal" mindsets across the nation.

"They" want to ensure your presidential choices are down to the lesser of two evils.

"They" are pulling your strings, guiding your thoughts, and directing your words.

If you/we/us don't snap out of this mental fog brought on by The Quadrennial Exploitation Of The Moronic Masses, there can be no hope.

As expected, the people behind this movement continued unfazed. And why shouldn't they? What do they care what happens on ATS? In a couple of months, with the election over, they will pack up and leave, leaving nothing but scorched earth where they once stood. We could just wait them out I suppose. Maybe I am selfish and presumptuous, but I couldn't sit there and take it any more. Thread after thread popping up on the "recent posts" page was wearing me down. Login in became an exercise in overcoming my apprehension, knowing what was awaiting me.

So I and my two month membership decided that I needed to do something. Not as an act of altruism, but for my own sanity, and as an anger management tool. I also realized, that by letting this pass unchallenged through ATS, there wold be nothing to discourage to come back at will.

Rest assured, that if nothing is done, they will all show back up in three years, and the whole process will start anew. Once again sitting by getting hijacked, with a look of moral superiority in hand and false pride in our heads as we keep repeating "we're better than that."

The only way to win this battle, and believe that it is a battle, a battle literally between those who strive to deny ignorance and those who wish to spread it, is to expose the people behind these attacks and their real agendas. Stripped of their cover and with their intentions for all to see, they will still be free to express themselves, but only as the hate filled humans that they are. And no one will give them the time of day. They will be out of here in minutes. Or they can stay, either way it really won't matter a bit.

Some of you may think that I am exaggerating.

Just two days ago, I made it a mission to find out who the true architects of this Conspiracy were and what they stood for.

The first shoe dropped here: www.abovetopsecret.com...

Jerome Corsi, the author of the recently released book "The Obama Nation" was exposed as part of a White-Power circle of hate peddlers.

Corsi on Islam: "a worthless, dangerous Satanic religion"

Corsi on Catholicism: "Boy buggering in both Islam and Catholicism is okay with the Pope as long as it isn't reported by the liberal press"

Corsi on Muslims: "RAGHEADS are Boy-Bumpers as clearly as they are Women-Haters -- it all goes together"

Corsi on "John F*ing Commie Kerry": "After he married TerRAHsa, didn't John Kerry begin practicing Judiasm? He also has paternal grandparents that were Jewish. What religion is John Kerry?"

Corsi on Senator "FAT HOG" Clinton: "Anybody ask why HELLary couldn't keep BJ Bill satisfied? Not lesbo or anything, is she?"

source

In the thread, you will find examples where ATS thread topics were seeded verbatim, or practically verbatim directly from Mr. Corsi's book and/or media outlets.

But something didn't feel right. And a day after the thread started and we were on page 3 or 4, an anonymous post was back posted to the first page. I have to thank whomever wrote it because it got me thinking. There was just too much seeded content to just come from Corsi. The structures of these coordinated attacks were too complicated and precise. So I started to dig deeper.

The sound you are now about to hear comes from the dropping of the second shoe.

If you go back to SkepticOverlord's plea at the top of the OP, it culminates with the descriptions of all that THEY will do to derail the truth.


MEET "THEY"


The Obama File:

The Obama File
Family
Education
Religion
Politics
Employment
State Senate
US Senator
The Wife
Campaign
Supporters
Advisors
Islam
Africa
Race
Lies
Quotes
Osama
Videos
Latest News
Are you really gonna let this happen?
Forum
About


Freedom's Enemies:

About
Home Page
The Obama File Link



I know it's a lot of material to take in, and some of it at least for me was difficult for me to look at.

Hundreds of pages, some hidden, filled with disinformation and propaganda, links everywhere and list over list of talking points and attack strategies.

But it's all there. All the disinformation that we see on our threads.

By the way, if you're wondering why I only used links, it seems that peddlers of hatred are very possessive of their work and content, leaving it to their minions to spread the word of hate across the web via rumor, double talk and innuendo. Thus I'm afraid we are the ones that have to go to them to expose them. Wear a clothespin on you nose and dig away.

I'm actually just starting to get my head around it. I don't even know how we can discuss all the information in one thread. We may need forum for the whole thing and a thread for every link.

However, I'm now going to take a deep breath, and grab a drink.

Then, I will go back to the task at hand. There may be more of these hateful people that we/I need to identify. Maybe this is all that is needed, the blinding light of the truth pointing in their direction. But somehow I suspect they're already working on plan B.



[edit on 8/18/2008 by schrodingers dog]

Part 2

By the way, I don't want to make it seem like I think I am some great debunker here. I know that some of you might already be aware with these sites and the people who run them But I did use my "search" button and I know that the great majority of ATS members will consider this as new and revealing information. As for me, I just happened to have a computer and some spare time, neither of which require any great skill.

For the sake of clarity, though I refer to SO's plea as the source of my motivation as well as the word "please" on the logo. I need to make it perfectly clear that this work was done by myself as part of my membership activities, and was in no way solicited, sanctioned, or even discussed with ATS management. I have only been a member here a short time, and as such I may make a mistake or two, so I don't want them to take the heat for something only I am responsible and accountable for.

I also wanted to say that even though my time here has been short, I've had the privilege to have forged many friendships. Whatever this work is worth, it was done for me, my friends, and this wonderful community that deserves better than to be constantly be subjected to this crap.

As the thread develops, I have loads of material on the actual people that run and ideologically drive these sites, but I thought I would wait a little for all this to sink in and go from there.

One last comment if I may. We have so many interesting conversations exploring new ideas. So many of us wonder what other worlds or dimensions may exist and what they would be like. We look up, we look within, always in pursuit of something new. If I were to use all of my imagination, in my wildest dreams, I would have never conceived a world such as the one these people dwell in. I took a look at their web stats, and I have come to realize that there is an incredible amount of people, whom I pass by on the street on any given day, that live literally in another dimension. In many ways, to me these people ARE aliens. And not the friendly kind.

Anyway. Here we go.


[edit on 8/18/2008 by schrodingers dog]

One more thing we need to be aware of, is that a lot of the rumors and lies that are spread originating from the above mentioned sites, are done so through a third party.

For example on these threads you will often find worldnetdaily.com being cited.

The above site is the mouthpiece of Jerome Corsi, whom as we know has already been exposed on ATS.

This is so they are not directly attributed to the revealed sites in the OP

I appreciate the compliment and the S&F.

Let me introduce myself now:

"Hi I'm schrodinger, I favor no party. I favor the truth. People can really do things for themselves. I attempt to provide facts so that people can be accountable and make up their own minds. I can't wait to have open and honest debate here on ATS!"

If it makes you feel better to label all those to the left of your position a socialist, so be it.

If me revealing the above information makes you believe that I am a "socialist", then your two dimensional grasp of peoples' complex political ideologies, is but a microcosm of the simplistic adversarial attitude that political discourse has taken on ATS and in America at large.

[edit on 8/18/2008 by schrodingers dog]

Edit to explain: I am responding to the post above, which has been removed, suggesting that I should go back to the freshman forum and re-introduce myself as a Socialist.

[edit on 8/18/2008 by schrodingers dog]

Suprise, suprise- schrodinger got smeared. Great work on the expose my friend. I starred and flagged you for a great thread that begins to expose the smear campaign working against Obama that perhaps even had its roots in the GW smearing of McCain in the 2000 Republican primaries as well as the swift boating of John Kerry.

I fail to see how Becker44 could take what you have written and deduced you were his mortal enemy. If you need some help tracking down info or following a lead do not hesitate to ask.

It has been pointed out that Jerome Corsi has often expressed negative viewpoints towads Mr. Bush.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

This is correct and I thank "robwerden" for bringing this to our attention.

The fact that Mr. Corsi and his followers see the existing administration as "too liberal" is a great indicatior as to the extremist ideology that they embrace and preach.

reply to post by stikkinikki


Thank you stikkinikki,

Believe me when I say that the personal attacks are something I obviously expected.

The fact is, I welcome them. They are, one but not the only, useful tool in identifying those who have participated in these polemics. This does not mean that anyone who disagrees with me personally or ideologically is by definition complicit to the people exposed in the OP.

But the OP itself does not really lend it's to personal attacks as it is merely a statement of evidence and not a political statement.

In any case, I expect there will be much huffing and puffing, and many many insults coming my way.

Cearly everyone has the right to their opinion, as do the rest of us in holding them accountable for it.


[edit on 8/18/2008 by schrodingers dog]

Originally posted by schrodingers dog
I appreciate the compliment and the S&F.

Let me introduce myself now:

"Hi I'm schrodinger, I favor no party. I favor the truth. People can really do things for themselves. I attempt to provide facts so that people can be accountable and make up their own minds. I can't wait to have open and honest debate here on ATS!"

I applaud your efforts.
Great thread, please keep up the good work.

We need more truth than we have been getting around the political forums.

To disagree with your choices opponent is one thing but to spread baseless lies and fear mongering rumors about the opponent because you lack the morals the would make any normal individual think twice about shameless mudslinging is another.

There is an agenda here at ATS for sure and those involved has no regrets or shame about pumping as many lies as they can muster into the system.

I'm just not voting at all.
I am tired of both parties but DISGUSTED with the tactics of my fellow voters.

- Lee

Definate star & flag

very good investigatory work!! you're definatly living up to my officially unofficial nomination for political forum conspiracy master


I've not got a while lot of time right now to look into it ALL
but i definatly will be looking into it further a little bit later

VERY good stuff

reply to post by schrodingers dog


S and F, my friend....S and F!!!

Now, to continue reading....chomping my popcorn, 'cause this is gonna be fun!!

Oh....wait....'Family Guy' is on....and the Olympics too!

Well, I can multi-task.....

Just so this doesn't seem 'off-topic'....it IS a weekend....still waiting for Keith Olberman's show on Monday.....should be off the hook!

Schrodinger, once again you have peeled through layers of meticulous research and given an objective insight into the under workings of mainstream politics. It should take me the rest of the evening to assimilate all this info and I am looking forward it. Bravo!!

Funny how "THEY" automatically resort of ad hominem attacks! I'm not implying that Becker44 is affiliated directly with that site or Corsi and his hate groups, but their style of debate seems to be the same - make up unfounded lies when you know you can't win on policy or truth.

Excellent thread

Good show, SD. I've already been party to some of your earlier works in the misuse of "media" designed to only hide truth instead of expose it. I'm gonna have to keep this thread subscribed until I can get through all of those links, though. But judging from your past work on ATS, I'll consider it to be well worth the effort.

reply to post by evanmontegarde


One needs neither courage nor intellectual prowess to type up a personal attack. And though it might well be meant as in insult, it does not mean that I take it as such. In order for me to be insulted, I have to first concede that the person making it, has enough of my respect for me to care. Thus I find it easy to remain indifferent to such comments.

However, I think it would be an unproductive mistake, and contrary to the spirit of both ATS and this thread, to use the information above as a tool to "mark" or publicly "shame" individual ATS members. In doing so, one would be guilty of once again of reducing the discourse to a simplistic back and forth circle of empty statements.

First, though some of us are disgusted by the ideologies exposed in the OP, none of us can restrict and deny anyone's right to have them and to express them.

Second, I believe that many well intending people have unwittingly been taken in by others and had no idea as to the actual source of the information they were believing and repeating.

Third, the objective of these threads is to inform ATS members, so when they see a TOPIC or a THREAD TItLE that seems outrageous and inflammatory, to be able to check with those sites to see if they are responsible for seeding it.

This is neither a witch hunt, nor is it about repressing ideas.
It is simply an attempt to inform.


[edit on 8/19/2008 by schrodingers dog]

Also,

Every thought or idea has it's own intrinsic merit and value. Sometimes, when we consider these we focus primarily on the how or the what. But many times the key is to ask why.

Consider everything that's happened since this phenomenon infiltrated ATS and where we are now. How much was actually learned and revealed about our identity as ATS members and our culture. How far we can be pushed until we push back. The machinations of the underbelly of politics and media manipulation.

What once was filled with hate and darkness, intended to distract and divide us, became a source of knowledge and solidarity.

reply to post by schrodingers dog


Come on. You say you don't favor any party yet sit there and write 2 pages about racist remarks and so on. Not many people calling McCain "cracker" or whatever. This is ALL about how the left feels like the right is using race to swing more votes there way. I have had to read on and on and on about how "bad" President Bush is, and there were but of a few of us who support him on this site. Where were you then? Please

Originally posted by TXMACHINEGUNDLR
reply to post by schrodingers dog

 

This is ALL about how the left feels like the right is using race to swing more votes there way. I have had to read on and on and on about how "bad" President Bush is, and there were but of a few of us who support him on this site. Where were you then? Please

As I said I've only been a member a couple of months.
Second, as I've also said, that this is not an exercise in suppressing ideas. It is done merely to inform as to where some ideas are seeded.

Why must everything be reduced to "Left" or "Right"?

I try to find words to interpret life.
I do not live my life to fit it into words.

And what does "left" mean anyway?
Left of what?
Left of where?

We're humans not turn signals.

[edit on 8/19/2008 by schrodingers dog]

reply to post by schrodingers dog


SD.....left of center?

Right of center?

What IS the center, anyway????

I see these arguements, as if we're supposed to understand....they get parroted.....from both sides!

Liberal 'THAT' and Conservative 'THIS'

There is a point of view called 'Moderate'

See, this is the kind of thread that you could allow your children to read, if they're of an age to read....because it shows differing points of view...and hopefully, if I type correctly, no misspelled words.....

Bandied about are terms like, 'Left' and 'Right'....some people may consider them in context, but other may not.

Thing is, many on one side of an issue actually agree with a person on the other side....not all of it, but some of it. AND, vice/versa....This is the lesson, boys and girls.....we usually agree more than we disagree....and that is MODERATION.......

OK, class dismissed!

Well, all I have to say about this political tug of war between two candidates whom have NO RESEMBLANCE to the type of leaders that MADE this country great in its infancy....

Don't blame me.....I'm voting for Ron Paul.


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