911 To Many Coincidences Were Made To Happened!

Originally posted by bsbray11

Originally posted by Soloist
Buidings can fall faster than "free fall" in a controlled demolition? Care to explain that?

If you want to be technical, free-fall through the atmosphere is significantly slower than 9.8m/s^2 due to drag, depending on surface area and things like that. WTC7 fell right at 9.8m/s^2, despite being a massive steel building surrounded by and filled with air. That is faster than any free-fall through the air on the Earth's surface could be.

Sooooooooo, how is that possible? Since the OP said the only way it could happen is in a CD. Surely there must be other evidence of a CD causing this "faster than free fall" behaviour.

Originally posted by cashlink
Ok gavron I can not prove my own statement on Demolition bring building down fasters than free fall.

But this link help me come to that conclusion

www.implosionworld.com...

Thank you for providing that link. However, if you click on the section that analyzes the WTC collapse, it states that it was NOT brought down by controlled demolitions:

www.implosionworld.com...

It actually disputes many claims:

ASSERTION #1
"The towers' collapse looked exactly like explosive demolitions"
PROTEC COMMENT: No they didn't. Its the "where."

ASSERTION #2
"But they fell straight down in their own footprint."
PROTEC COMMENT: They did not. They followed the path of least resistance, and there was a lot of resistance.

Much more in the link, but it pretty much confirms that no Controlled Demolitions were used.

Thanks again for providing that valuable link.

reply to post by cashlink


No, that was an example of a nice guy trying to point out that you might get more discussion if you learn how to spell and use correct grammar.

Im sure one of us 'bad' guys could come up with an attack if you really wanted to be the victim.


That being said, listing some of the facts, along with some allegations of what happened that day does not make them coincidences made to happen. It means you are reaching for something that isnt there.

On the oldies station, going out to my good buddy cash, "Too Much Time on My Hands"

Same for the wargames that had NORAD tied up, some of which had been originally scheduled for October

You are aware of the significance of September/October to the military right? Its called the end of the fiscal year? Was not, is not and will not be the only time that exercises get moved because, HEY we still have money we havent spent yet. So much for that "coincidence"

Originally posted by cashlink
reply to post by gavron

 

I tried reading your post, however I find your comments disgusting.

You are one of the attack dogs that I see who jump in "every" 911 thread to belittle the posters who make statements against the the offical story

I have ask you not to play your RED HERRING in my thread and save your insults.

You obviously dont know what a coincidence is.







[edit on 8/17/2008 by cashlink]

With all due respect, if you cannot handle a discussion that shows where your beliefs might be in error, then you probably should stay away from ATS until you develop a thicker skin. Nothing has been said to you in this thread that comes near the abuse that "toofers" regularly try to heap on people like Gavron, Throatyogurt and myself.

reply to post by bsbray11


Implausible that four planes get hijacked...not really.

Implausible that terrorist chose to commit suicide in a spectacular fashion...not really.

However, if we want to get on that track, we could take almost any significant event in human history and find a string of these.

God put them in the garden

God put the tree of knowledge in the garden

God did not put a guard on the tree

God gave them freedom of choice......


You get the idea? If you want to Monday Morning quarterback things...you can find problems (or coincidences) in ANY event.

Why should 9/11 be different?

We could go with...

Osama KNEW we had regularly scheduled airline service

Osama KNEW we allowed knives under three inches on board our airliners

Osama KNEW we no longer had the air defense capability we had during the Cold War

Osama....you get the idea I hope.....

reply to post by cashlink


Too many dont really investigate the events of that day and just follow what others have said. Good post , however some of your points are incorrect. The towers didnt fall at free fall speed it took a little longer, but shorter than if they were to fall in pancake sequence. 5 hijackers still alive also just myth. People with the same names etc. We will never get the answers we are looking for because we dont care. if we did , we would bring our western style of living to a halt ( stop working, stop using the currency given to us by banks and demand answers from our elected leaders before any progress in the economy is to happen) this means sacrifice for all, so it will be extremely difficult for us humans to slow down and just say we dont know but together we can uncover the truth. Until believers and non believers of the official story can come to a resolution that this needs to be re -investigated we will continue swimming in limbo.

Cashlink, take a moment and review your last 10 or 15 posts. If you honestly do so, is it any wonder that your posts are not really taken seriously? Besides all the cutting & pasting, I don’t think you even understand ½ of what you post. You normally contradict your own posts given the time. For someone who hasn’t made up their mind on what happened yet, your signature lines are awful decisive.

Please don’t just respond with the old disinfo line or your new red herring line. As tough as your posts can be to read, they can be fun to see how you get flustered when anyone dares to respond to the canned “list” of questions/coincidences with answers/facts/common sense. The spelling gets even worse!

I have promised the mods that I wouldn’t egg you on anymore around the boards, but feel free to PM.


[edit on 18-8-2008 by Jake the Dog Man]

To Gavron and Swampfox (and anyone else for that matter):

How many "coincidences" would have to occur before you would say that something fishy went on? I'm curious.

Originally posted by sir_chancealot
To Gavron and Swampfox (and anyone else for that matter):

How many "coincidences" would have to occur before you would say that something fishy went on? I'm curious.

Well, personally, if the coincidences can be linked, then it would be fishy. However, not all of them can actually be linked.

I mean, that would be like me saying I had French Toast for breakfast on 9/11, rather than waffles. Does the fact that I had French Toast somehow link to the events of 9/11? No. But, if I had French toast in a diner with one of the hijackers before they went to the airport...THEN it would be more of a coincidence.

Wait a minute... when did the french become involved? I always thought they were shifty... LOL!

When you can learn to spell correctly and not look like you were drunk when you wrote this, it may be worth reading.

This grammar bashing is one of the saddest I have ever read . You should realise not everyone is as familiar with the English language and its grammar, Gavron

That beeing said, I don't see many coincidences here.

WOW! I knew this thread was going to get hit hard.

So if my Grammer was perfect you debunkers would have found somthing else to cry about when the truth is plaster on ATS about the chance Our Government may have been involved in 911.

Nothing new here this is one of the tactic that debunkers use to insult the poster.

However this will not bother me the lease bit.

I can handle it, alot of my OP is my opinion.

I to am aloud to exspress my opinion as any one else is.

So if you dont want to talk about my opinion, or some of the facts then move on.

I know my grammer is not up to par, but I can get my point agross.

Some of us in the truth movement are not high school or college educated.

We do the best we can.

Just because some of us are not that educated it dosent mean we cant read or write or understand logic or how things work.

So as far as some of you poster that says if my grammer was up to par I might be believable thats nonsense.
So you are also saying when reading the National Enquirer with the perfect spelling and perfect grammer, you might find the writers or their story believable.

I never said I was being attack for my beliefs on 911 some of you poster made that one up.

When you can not dispute something about 911 that dosent fit the Government version of 911, the only thing that leaves some of you are your little insults.

It really shows how immature some of you people are that use perfect grammer.

I would hope that people wouldn't judge others by their grammar.
Perhaps English or should I say American, isn't their first language ?

Irregardless of the OPs grammar , I do agree with the points in which he's trying to convey. Realistically, there are too many coincidences in the entire 9/11 TV show. I call it a show because thats what it was...The 9/11 Shock and Awe TV show. It was all contrived to promote the O.I.L. war which coincidentally enough 7 years later is exactly where we are now....


The WTC buildings were leased a few weeks prior to 9/11 by Larry Silverstein and insured to the hilt. He then tried to collect twice claiming it as more than one event.

The multitude of stock (put) options which were purchased prior to 9/11 on the stocks of the two airlines involved... United and American.

Read this book, "Collateral damage" and the 9/11 TV show will make considerably more sense.

www.rense.com...

Ah, yet another 9/11 thread. And out come the "debunkers" who claim that the cumulative probability of all these odd things happening by chance (something like several hundred trillion to one) was just some damned good luck for those 19 box-cutter waving Muslims.

When I see these people, who argue past all reason, that 9/11 followed the Official Conspiracy Theory, and resort to snideness, ad homs, nitpickiness, rudeness, character assassination, and other poor behaviors...I know they are here to keep the truth muddied. It's their job.

And when I see them, it always boils down to me asking what their interest is.

Originally posted by cashlink
WOW! I knew this thread was going to get hit hard.

I was going to hit it harder...but decided against it.

Carry on kiddies.





[edit on 18-8-2008 by ThroatYogurt]

reply to post by cashlink


Cashlink:
Care to respond to it being pointed out that the site you say lead you to believe that CD causes debris to move faster than free fall also SAID WTC was NOT CD? I thought that was a very good catch.

and, as it has been pointed out, you OP was very, very hard to read, but your replies showed much better structure and grammar. So you can write but choose not to in the OP?
And there were not many true coincideces listed, war games was about the only true one.

reply to post by Amaterasu


Nope. My job is to laugh. The odds of the 19 terrorists succeeding in their hijacking are a lot lower than the odds of a vast inside job being completed and no one talking about it.

I am not sure where you get your several hundred trillion to one, but that number is pure BS.

reply to post by sir_chancealot


They would have to be out of the realm of "normal" activities. Cashlink's list is not.

Four planes were hijacked...not a coincidence...that was part of the plan. As near as investigators have been able to figure out, there most likely was supposed to be at least two more hijackings that day.

Three buildings fell....well the plan was the Towers, WTC 7 was an added bonus to their plan. Again, not a coincidence.

NORAD did not respond....no, NORAD DID respond, however our protocols were not really set up for an interception of a hostile aircraft over our shores. They were primarily set up for intercepting a hostile aircraft over the ocean.

A passport was found.....one of many personal effects of the airliner passengers recovered. Big deal it was a passport of one of the hijackers, the majority of the rest of the passengers were American citizens not required to have their passports...so instead, their credit cards, driver's licenses, checkbooks etc were recovered.

A rental car was found at the airport with a Koran and a will......WOW, now thats a smoking gun. Of course, going on a suicide mission, you wouldnt take your will or the Koran with you. Islamic law speaks of the penalities for destroying a Koran.

Five of the nineteen hijackers...are still dead. Five men with similar names are still alive.

Ben laden still not found. Not sure how this is a coincidence...but it took 20 years to track down Eichmann, 40 for Mengele.....and thats with 99 percent of the world wanting their heads on a platter. Osama still has plenty of friends to hide him.

WTC where is the concrete? Pay better attention to the photos and cleanup crew statements....its there.

President Bush saw first airplane attack on WTC...no he saw the report that a plane had crashed into the WTC. Funny out toofers will accept his poor grammar when it doesnt support their goofy theories.

Military and FAA chain of comand broken on 911....no, it wasnt. It was confronted with a situation that no one had really ever bothered to plan for.

None of these coincidences have happened before or after 9/11.....really does not mean anything because no one has tried..or those that have tried were stopped and whisked off to Gitmo.

The rest of the list is just the same, more goofy allegations without a shred of proof.