Picking up sounds from Saturn

Ye i see what you mean it does seem very very unlikely that people from earth live on saturn and some of them are still here running for president it is very unlikely but i stand strong in my belief that anything is possible absolutely anything.

And i do also really think that theyre could be life on any planet any planet atall because the bacteria in space is different to our and couldve changed to adapt there but who knows i certainly dont hopefully in the future things will become more clear but for now its all just speculation.

Guys, your trying to argue using logic, reason and common sense with someone who speaks directly with an invisible man. Get it? Your wasting your time.

There is nothing you can say that will help the OP with his/her completely ignorant thread. He/She started this with a goal in mind, and I think we all know what that goal is.

So unless your willing to fall to the levels of ignorance that things like faith require, save your breath and let the OP's thread die a quick death.

I don't mind discussion at all, but flat out encouraging ignorance by giving some idiotic thread like this the time of day is counterproductive in my view.

Why are you ignorant aswell i strongly believe in God and im a little bit offended when people call God an " invisible man" or saying things like "So unless your willing to fall to the levels of ignorance that things like faith require", when its my believe system that hes real and watches over us so in the future please have a bit of respect for peoples religion thank you.

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reply to post by Manasseh


More attention seeking from this "Person"
Obsessed with air or the lack of it.

At best a wind up merchant.

reply to post by Manasseh


Manasseh, you rock! I agree that maybe you don't read some of the info and links that others provide in order to give answers to the whole space thing, but you are seriously on to something.

About 6 years ago I had a friend ask me how did scientist know how to look for radio waves and frequencies when they are invisible! I never had thought about that and I came to the conclusion that scientist aquire their information from outside sources and ancient text. Really I think most of these scientist and governments are lying to keep us here on this planet and stuck in the 3rd dimension.

So Manasseh are you saying that you think there is air in space and if so why do you think our government lies to us about that?

Originally posted by Teeky
About 6 years ago I had a friend ask me how did scientist know how to look for radio waves and frequencies when they are invisible! I never had thought about that and I came to the conclusion that scientist aquire their information from outside sources and ancient text. Really I think most of these scientist and governments are lying to keep us here on this planet and stuck in the 3rd dimension.

So instead of actually reading up on the history of physics and how these things were discovered, you decided it made more sense that "ancient texts" account for scientific discoveries. You and your friend must have been having a deep conversation, indeed.

So Manasseh are you saying that you think there is air in space and if so why do you think our government lies to us about that?

Space is not a complete vacuum, thus sound actually can travel in it, albeit it requires much more to detect it. That being said, this takes us back to the radio waves versus sound waves distinction that has already been made several times in this thread.

There is no government cover-up here, just self-perpetuated ignorance regarding science.

This is going to b a little off topic but....why in the world has this thread degraded into a religious debate. There is a forum topic for that Religious topics at ATS

so please go there to share your religious views and keep this board as it was intended for.

debating religion or religious views doesn't belong in this thread in my opinion.

Sound in space... From what I've read, no.





There was several sources like THIS. I just googled it and picked the first one. I am pretty sure that sound needs air molecules to propagate. No air in space. No sound in space.

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Not true.

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Errrrmmmm it is true there is no air in space therefore you can not hear anything in space.

reply to post by billyjoinedat2k8


Read the link.

reply to post by billyjoinedat2k8


Did you not check out the source posted by thrashee? Sound waves don't necessarily need "air" as a medium to propogate. Any particles that can be compressed and moved are suitable. How do you suppose sound travels underwater?

Do people not read? A radio wave is a part of the electromagnetic spectrum and is not a sound wave. A radio wave is a form of radiation that is part of the electromagnetic spectrum that, through modulation, can be made to carry information. That's where we get the name for AM and FM radio. They're different kinds of modulation. Amplitude Modulation and Frequency Modulation.

Think about it. if your computer that you are using right now to read this could only produce 1's, it wouldn't work because a stream of 1's doesn't contain any information. It's needs to be able to say yes or no, on or off, etc. You need to have a differential in existence to have information. 1's and 0's can be stringed together to make information that is readable and usable by computers, and it's called binary code.

As I said before, electricity can produce a radio wave. Even if it isn't modulated, you can still pick it up, but it's only static. However, the nature of planets fluctuates the signal as it leaves the planet, so you can get very interesting noises. Our own planet Earth makes some very interesting noises when the Aurora Borealis is happening.

This isn't all that complicated if you actually do some research. It pays 100 fold to be a skeptic and research things for yourself through science.


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Yes I have looked into how radio waves and frequencies were discovered. It started a few hundred years ago, but the information I've read was over internet so I probably need to dig deeper and check out some books on the subject. I know about the Hertz dude and other guys also.

My point is how did the people who originally found out about radio waves know how to look for them? It's just like how did the Ancient Egyptians build the Pyramids when there weren't cranes and other motorized things available.

I just think maybe that information is handed down or given to a select few. I believe there are very few real discoveries.

Originally posted by Teeky
My point is how did the people who originally found out about radio waves know how to look for them? It's just like how did the Ancient Egyptians build the Pyramids when there weren't cranes and other motorized things available.

I just think maybe that information is handed down or given to a select few. I believe there are very few real discoveries.

If you really read the histories, you might recall that such discoveries are built upon previous theories, observations, and deductions. From such things, people are given clues where to "look" next. By the way, this amazing principle is still in use today!

reply to post by thrashee


Thrashee thanks for the link but aren't these the same scientist that told us Pluto was a planet and now they're saying it isn't?

Scientist just like religion (I am in no way shape or form religious) is full of holes and not totally believable.

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Originally posted by Teeky
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Thrashee thanks for the link but aren't these the same scientist that told us Pluto was a planet and now they're saying it isn't?

Scientist just like religion (I am in no way shape or form religious) is full of holes and not totally believable.

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Your analogy is faulty because you're quibbling with an arbitrary classification system, not with any real scientific "fact".

Science is most certainly not like religion, because first and foremost, it starts off on an honest foot. Science quite simply will not claim to know everything, and by nature it accepts the fact that the best we can do is observe and test what's around us now. Science is a progressive field, where each new discovery further evolves our knowledge as a whole.

Of course there are "holes" in science. That's a limitation of our own limited knowledge and technological capabilities, not of science itself.

Face it science isnt perfect and neither is religion although im religious i accept theyres holes in it but i dont necessarily believe everything were told in the bible just what would make sence to me.

reply to post by thrashee


Pluto does apply because like in your link it states that space is not quite a complete vaccum.

Well I grew up being told by scientist that space is a vaccum and that Pluto was a planet. And Yes I do like how science is presented as a work in progress.

But, we also don't need a group of scientist or a government feeding us information about space without us questioning it. I say don't deny your gut instinct and your own analysis of things.

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100% percent ............. Agree

you can have a star for that

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