Russia: Poland risks attack because of US missiles

Russia: Poland risks attack because of US missiles

news.yahoo.com

MOSCOW – A top Russian general said Friday that Poland's agreement to accept a U.S. missile defense battery exposes ex-communist nation to attack, possibly by nuclear weapons, the Interfax news agency reported.

The statement by Gen. Anatoly Nogovitsyn is the strongest threat that Russia has issued against the plans to put missile defense elements in former Soviet satellite nations.

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I'm sorry, but people defending Russia as the innocent country defending it's interest really ought to take a look at how Russia also bullies around countries that disagree with it.

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Gee i just called this on another thread.Russia is the innocent one eh?Sure it is.Russia has been so busy suppressing internal dissent the last ten years they have fallen behind in technology with the West.You see a free thinking society tends to throw ideas around more and those ideas get to the drawing board faster if you know what i mean.So russian can swallow their own news invincibility but i doubt its true.No actually i know it not true.

reply to post by Daedalus24


this is going mad.,....

why not just come out with it and say were coming for you Poland and have done with it

"Poland, by deploying (the system) is exposing itself to a strike — 100 percent,"

Of course Russia disagrees with it. Russia is getting tired of the US government thinking it can do whatever it wants whenever it wants. (As should us Americans, but I digress.) US missiles are going into Russia's neighborhood while they told them not to. They are doing it anyways without really discussing it. Then Russia wanted to put some bombs in Cuba and the US gets all up in arms about it. Talk about hypocritical.

The US government (and it's people) can't afford to go to war with Russia, Iran, and Iraq. Unless they are seriously demented, which wouldn't surprise me with all the news saying to punish Russia.

Let's re-write this news snippet in the context of a plausible response to this missile shield:

"WASHINGTON – A top United States general said Friday that Cuba's agreement to accept a Russian missile defense battery exposes America to attack, possibly by nuclear weapons, the Interfax news agency reported.

The statement by Gen. James T. Conway is the strongest threat that America has issued against the plans to put missile defense elements in the Caribbean nation."

Ok. Russia feels threatened - i understand that. Russian interests are being not respected - i understand that. But what Russian leadership hopes to achieve with this statement? Poland will now ask for more NATO/US presence. Does Russian diplomacy think that in its version of stick and carrots approach ,carrot is simply lack of stick? I never saw any Russian attempt to get Poland at least partly more friendly , just threats, oil games and other threats. Russia (Russian empire, USSR) has a tense history as far as Poland is concerned. Instead of easing it and creating more economical ties - threats. Then they wonder about US missiles in Poland?

reply to post by Justice11


you won't get any disagreement from me. Russia is pretty much a breeding ground for Anti-American, Anti-West sentiment. Just look how Putin had his little youth group touting how one day Russia would destroy America and its western influence. It wasn't just hundreds, but thousands of people. Apparently in their point of view, anyone with a point of view other than them is a fascist country. This group is funded by the Kremlin to ease the transfer power from Putin to his little puppy Medvedev. Don't believe me, research the Nashi. people should wake up and i agree with you 100% Russia is the tyrant it was when it went by the USSR, period.

Better warn my bro as he's living in Gdansk.Surely ,what the fine general means is'you are leaving yourself open to attack ' with the idea of getting rid of the missile shields rather than 'we will promise to bomb Poland now they will have the missile sheilds'.I wonder what the feeling in Poland is?I'll contact my bro for the lowdown...

reply to post by mattguy404


Fine, but our missile defense system is just that, a missile defense system. Poland has always been threatened by Russia, heck Russia tried knocking off the Pope because of his support of Solidarity. Russia doesn't want a missile defense system in Cuba, it wants to put nuclear capable strike bombers to hit us. that's a huge difference.

reply to post by ragnarak


Again, putting a missile defense in Poland is very different from putting nuclear-capable strike bombers on our doorstep. We're not supplying Poland with nuclear capability, just with a missile that can shoot and intercept ICBMs heading to well lets' say, London, or Paris, or Washington D.C. in that chance that they do launch them. This will give us crucial moments to strike back. It's merely a counter measure, not a first strike weapon.

Im sorry but Poland knew damn well that accepting the missile shield would piss off Russia. The USA also knew this, and still continued to do it.

Does Russia not have a right to not be bullied? Do they not have the same right as us to strike a potential threat to their nation?

Bush thinks he owns the world pretty much and can put whatever, wherever, and if anyone doesnt like it they can piss off. I live in the US yet I still think Russia DOES have the right to strike our missile shield. It is in NO way to protect against Iranian missiles - what a laughable excuse.

An encircled Russia is a powerless Russia. Thats about all there is to it.

reply to post by ZeroKnowledge


It's not just Poland that gets this treatment, it's anyone who was a Soviet satellite state who is now siding with the west. People don't see the rigid wall between the west and Russia, it's very apparent. A very good friend of mine is Russian and I asked her if she liked hockey. You know what she told me? She told me that when she was younger and living with her dad in the USSR, the only thing on the telly was the state party channel and the state sport channel. She also told me that all they had to eat was potatoes and beef and how everything was rationed. Those people who controlled the political system then are in control of it now. Same old corruption, same old thirst to rebuild to their former glory by any means necessary.

Originally posted by Daedalus24


I'm sorry, but people defending Russia as the innocent country defending it's interest really ought to take a look at how Russia also bullies around countries that disagree with it.

news.yahoo.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

You are incorrect, they dont want this in their back yard and I completely agree. We wouldnt want it in Cuba. We would be bullying Cuba at that point. And the US bullies non stop around the globe dude.

Go learn a thing or two before you make a statement that is completely false. And that is not even what you should take away from this news article. You should have learned that Russia was very serious and you failed.

Originally posted by mattguy404
Let's re-write this news snippet in the context of a plausible response to this missile shield:

"WASHINGTON – A top United States general said Friday that Cuba's agreement to accept a Russian missile defense battery exposes America to attack, possibly by nuclear weapons, the Interfax news agency reported.

The statement by Gen. James T. Conway is the strongest threat that America has issued against the plans to put missile defense elements in the Caribbean nation."

Wow that was perfect.

I dont think I could have written that any better. I have seen the OP on other threads telling lies to back his Bush loving agenda. I just added him to ignore I suggest you do the same.

Its funny the more you add to ignore, the better the threads get. I dunno why that happens.

reply to post by Memysabu


No, I'm not wrong, nor did I ever say that the U.S. doesn't do its fair share of bullying. I highly doubt we'd be at all irked if Russia propped up a missile defense system on Cuba, why would it? it would offer defense to who? A country we'd never attack?

However, they did want to station nuclear-capable bombers less than 100 miles from the U.S. mainland. What we have here is 1939-like Nazi military tactics that allowed indiscriminate uboat warfare to anyone that helped the UK. To quote the article-"Russia's military doctrine sanctions the use of nuclear weapons "against the allies of countries having nuclear weapons if they in some way help them."". So this allows Russia to use nuclear weapons to lets say, Britain, France, Germany, anyone who helps the U.S. I'm sorry, but a threat from Russia to Poland or anyone who helps the U.S in any way is just a huge red flag.

reply to post by Memysabu


excuse me, my Bush-loving agenda?? If you bothered to read any of my other thread responses you'd be able to tell that I dislike Bush and his administration as much as I dislike the corruption they've brought into Washington. I'm the furthest from Bush-loving as it gets. If you have anything against my views on Russia, fine, you're free to debate your point, but accusing me of something that I'm not, I'm sorry just doesn't stand with me.

I brought this article up because I want people to see that Russia isn't as innocent as it's painted by a lot of people, the evidence is out there if anyone bothered to look. If you would have read the article you would have read that apparently anyone that helps the U.S. or anyone they view as a threat with nukes, is open to nuclear retaliation by Russia. Sorry, but that's hardly the innocent Russia people paint.

reply to post by Daedalus24


I do not argue with you on the fact that Russian leaders diplomacy is the same the-more-threats-the-better to majority of ex-USSR states and my conclusion is that they do their best (knowingly or not) to make another cold war a reality. I simply do not think that it is the best interests of more then 100 million Russian citizens.
I just hope that this lose-lose power struggle will stop in the cold war and not develop into usual start-of-the-century major war.

Its quite simple really .... Why dont we invite Russia into NATO as a partner nation ..... no more cold war or posturing ...... simple.

reply to post by ZeroKnowledge


i agree with you, I don't want all out war, but these Russian generals are a whole other beast. They don't want a cold war, they want it all. But I guess that could be said for any military organization though. The thing that worries me about it is that usually the civilian government steps in and intervenes but in Russia's case, it doesn't help that their civilian government is actually controlled by people who still have the old cold war mentality stuck in their head.

Reminds me of the Kursk incident a couple of years back. We offered our assistance in the hours after the news of the incident broke out and what did Russia do, told us they didn't need us, they had the situation under control, they instead asked other countries for aid. Thanks to Putin's views on America, they lost a lot of fine sailors. This mentality, this thirst for war, it's just beyond me. And yes, this goes for our government too as I've said in regards to Iran and my opposition of the war in Iraq.