Wind whips up health fears

Originally posted by LLoyd45

Originally posted by Quazga
You know... I can't be in the same room as those "high freq" wall plugins that are supposed to get rid of rodents.

it gives me a SEVERE headache. But most others around me don't sense it. It's like medication man, you may not get the side effect, that doesn't mean others won't too.

Same here Quazga. My whole family is sensitive. They literally make you feel like you're about to go crazy after a few days of exposure. Not everyone hears them however, and simply dismisses your complaints as being psychosomatic.

Hey Lloyd, yeah it's almost as frustrating to be dismissed by those who don't experience it as it is to have the the high freq in the ear.

reply to post by boo radley


You say that like it's a bad thing.

There is nothing wrong with coal and oil.

It’s the fuel that’s driven this country and the world to the place where it is. It’s the lifeline of everything we do. People need to stop demonizing oil and embracing it for what it is, the ultimate energy source.

Everyone is affected by coal burning. If just some few random people get affected by windmills that is just too bad. If you don't like windmills move away from them. We should not stop progress because .001% of the population has an issue with it. The reality right now, it's really either coal or windmills.

I'm not saying I don't believe some people may be affected. I'm just saying it doesn't matter. MUCH MUCH less people are affected by windmills than coal and that is a step in the right direction.

I believe what the lady was trying to describe is electrosmog.

www.taumed.com...

While the media and device manufacturers say their products are perfectly safe, the wealthy with some inside information do not believe this one bit. I know because I have screened many homes myself.


We typically use the 'HF Analyser HFE59B' on cleanup jobs for the wealthy. Its damn scary what the normal home is doing to its occupants. This device has the directional antenna that mounts on it and can zero in by pointing to the exact source. Our discount source for one just a bit better is $2500.00. This is for the wealthy and elite who want to stay healthy. This is not a main stream thing and only the 'elite' are even aware of it, but its a very profitable business for those in the know with the correct protocols.


To go even a step further many occultists pay dearly for the services as well and report at least 100% increase in capabilities once corrective measures are in place.

To sum it up don't waste your money on anything less than the professional units and they run $1500 and up. Its cheaper to pay a couple hundred and have post it pointers put on the things that have to go or need correction.

Originally posted by nyk537

Originally posted by Unlimitedpossibilities

We are never going to be able to drive cars, fly planes, or sustain a military on wind power. It's a pipe dream that offers no real solutions. Sure it may provide a few percentage points of our energy needs, but it is never going to be a solution.

Won't directly power cars, fly planes but with developments in Hydrogen storage around the corner the energy from turbines can easily be converted into hydrogen as a fuel stock.

Just a thought, not an answer.

Originally posted by nyk537
reply to post by boo radley

 

There is nothing wrong with coal and oil.

It’s the fuel that’s driven this country and the world to the place where it is. It’s the lifeline of everything we do. People need to stop demonizing oil and embracing it for what it is, the ultimate energy source.

Are you serious dude? Have you read a book or watched a news report in the last ten years?

Almost everyone is sensitive to something. It might be grass, trees, noise, emf, or a host of things we are ALL exposed too every day. (I am extremely sensitive to evergreen trees. I can't always avoid them, but I'm not going to file a class action suit to get rid of them.
Unfortunately, a relatively small part of the population attempting to throw US, and possibly the world back to the stone age. Anytime someone comes up with a plan that will help ease our energy problems, these people come out of the woodwork, cell phones glued to their ears, tapping on their computers, in a room filled with EMF from the TV, the stereo, the aforementioned computer and the ceiling fan turning above their heads.
Can someone tell me where the logic is?
I wonder if these people who are screaming about this have ever had to go without power for an extended period of time? Have they ever had to walk 50 to 100 yards in the dead of winter to use an outhouse? Have they had to live without airconditioning in July in the South?
These things I have done, and I have no desire to do it again. I am more than willing to put up with windmills, nuclear plants, and clean-burning coal fired plants in order to maintain my creature comforts.
It seems to me that most of the environmentalists are hypocrites who really have no clear idea of what they want or how to acheive it.

I could be wrong now, but I don't think so!

Originally posted by Quazga

Originally posted by euclid
reply to post by Quazga

 

The quick dismissal is because it is a psychological issue. The lady started crying because she saw one being "constructed"..... that is a clear indication to me that she is already emotionally/psychologically disturbed.

yep.. and if you were affected by this it would bother you as well. AND if you were a female you wouldbe more likely to shed a tear.


Look, one day when I was 16 I was "crusing broadway". Some drunk came out of one of the bars and through a sucker punch into the car I was sitting in. It knocked out a tooth, and I was taken completely by surprise.

To this day,( I am 36) I have issues driving down that road.

Does that make me imbalanced? No, it's called acute PTSD.

Get a clue.

Post traumatic stress disorder is something that soldiers get because they have to supress their fear of being shot in a hostile environment, because they have to suppress their feelings of remorse and sadness when their buddy sitting next to them has their head blown apart by a .30 caliber bullet, and the stress they have to endure in an attempt to survive minute-by-minute in a constant state of hightened conscious awareness and alert where they routinely suffer from sleep deprivation.

If you were raped on the other hand then that would cause it. But getting smacked and a tooth knocked out is nothing that should/could/would cause PTSD.... and is a poor analogy to the issue; as I stated before - it's a mental issue just as PTSD is a mental issue.

-Euclid

reply to post by euclid
I wonder, are you aware that mental issues can be just as painful and/or debilitating as physical ones? Take a tour through an asylum sometime and you'l see otherwise healthy individuals that are completely unable to function. Watch the news or read a newspaper sometime and I'll bet you hear about someone who suddenly decided to commit suicide. That's a mental issue; would you dismiss it as well?

The bottom line for this thread is that every new technology carries risks. Sometimes these risks can be overcome; other times they cannot. It is disingenuous to assume something is completely harmless without investigating any allegations of harm.

The deeper issue, as has already been expressed but bears repeating, is that anything considered 'green' is good and anything not considered 'green' is bad, both by definition. This is politically-correct nonsense and utter ridiculousness. It does serve one useful function, and that is to point out the hypocrisy of those who would destroy our society for profit, and of those who would heed them without thinking for themselves.

TheRedneck

reply to post by TheRedneck


I don't see where we disagree. All I was stating is that the old lady was crying because she ALREADY had issues that were in no way related to the construction of a windmill; that was my point and it is still my point. She's a loon for crying because something was in the process of being built that couldn't possibly affect her because it wasn't operational therefore it COULD NOT DO ANY THING to her yet.

-Euclid

Originally posted by TheRedneck
reply to post by euclid
I wonder, are you aware that mental issues can be just as painful and/or debilitating as physical ones? Take a tour through an asylum sometime and you'l see otherwise healthy individuals that are completely unable to function. Watch the news or read a newspaper sometime and I'll bet you hear about someone who suddenly decided to commit suicide. That's a mental issue; would you dismiss it as well?

I have seen the inside of an asylum.... but they don't call them that now.... they are hospitals in the politically correct terminology. Those people are mad, crazy, lunatics, et cetera. They are that way because they are unable to cope with reality. Is it debilitating? Yes. Do they have my sympathies? In some cases where the brain is physically damgaed - yes. In other cases it is merely a chemical imbalance and proper adherence to daily dosages of medicine will correct that issue - they end up in a hospital many times because they refuse to stay on the medication. In other cases the people there are as I stated just flat out unable to cope with reality. Those people do not have my sympathy.

-Euclid

They shouldn't put big ones right next to where people live.
Thats a little silly.
Little ones are ok just to power 1 house they don't cause much trouble.
But the huge ones are a giant emf motor turbines which of course can cause some ill effects if constantly next to it from the electromagnetism and the noise.

reply to post by euclid
Well, all I can say is, we'll have to agree to disagree. I personally don't like seeing anyone in pain, mentally or physically. And if something is causing that pain, I believe it is torture and a tragedy to ignore it.

As for the asylums, I have sympathy for everyone in there. I lived through clinical depression for 5 years myself. I've seen that hell. Perhaps until one sees it, they cannot imagine it actually exists.

TheRedneck

What can't be argued is that sounds outside the human range of hearing can be bad for the health of a human being. The research here is documented, peer reviewed and very clear.

So basically what we need is a fully independant study, done under real scrutiny with peer review. It should be done in place with numerous types of wind generators, throughout the world to find out if any frequencies that we know cause harm to human health are being produced.

Personally i think wind farms should be kept well away from the general populous, and in fact i think they're basically rubbish. They cause havoc to flying wildlife and don't produce as much power as you think. The land mass used is rediculous in proportion.

Whereas small home generators are virtually silent and brilliant for local power.

Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
What can't be argued is that sounds outside the human range of hearing can be bad for the health of a human being. The research here is documented, peer reviewed and very clear.

So basically what we need is a fully independant study, done under real scrutiny with peer review. It should be done in place with numerous types of wind generators, throughout the world to find out if any frequencies that we know cause harm to human health are being produced.

Personally i think wind farms should be kept well away from the general populous, and in fact i think they're basically rubbish. They cause havoc to flying wildlife and don't produce as much power as you think. The land mass used is rediculous in proportion.

Whereas small home generators are virtually silent and brilliant for local power.

Thanks for the post on this. You are soooo right.

Some people don't want to believe this, but that's why we are here to deny ignorance.

reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984
A call for a peer-reviewed study? Nonsense, that's just what these neo-con nazi fascist bush-loving tree-hating capitalists want!

Sorry, since no one else had said it, I thought I'd save them the trouble.

You're right on track, my friend. There is even a specific range of sounds that can permanently damage the eardrums at fairly low volumes. As this frequency is inaudible, it is not detected by the victim until the damage is done. I believe I read somewhere that Germany was experimenting with it during WWII as a weapon.

It's similar to the reason people hold their ears when a sudden jolt of feedback occurs in amplifiers. The higher-pitched tones just above human hearing can cause acute pain. So why would it be anything other than logical to accept that low-frequency sound might have similar effects?

Great point. Starred.

TheRedneck

I sleep right next to a wind prop all night, it's called a fan! I sleep fine and it turns faster than a wind mill, hehe makes a big hummy sound that puts me to sleep!



[edit on 16-8-2008 by Optix]

Originally posted by Optix
I sleep right next to a wind prop all night, it's called a fan! I sleep fine and it turns faster than a wind mill, hehe makes a big hummy sound that puts me to sleep!



[edit on 16-8-2008 by Optix]

Ok, so here we have to deny ignorance.


Do you know the difference betwen short waves and long waves?

Have you studied wave mechanics? If you did, you would realize that the difference between your itty bity fan, and the HUGE FAN of a wind power turbine are different by orders of magnitude.

Posts like yours make it a full time job to deny ignorance.

Although you have an awesome avatar ;-)

Originally posted by TheRedneck
A call for a peer-reviewed study? Nonsense, that's just what these neo-con nazi fascist bush-loving tree-hating capitalists want!

Sorry, since no one else had said it, I thought I'd save them the trouble.

Yes yes kill them all! Lol sorry couldn't resist.

Originally posted by TheRedneck
You're right on track, my friend. There is even a specific range of sounds that can permanently damage the eardrums at fairly low volumes. As this frequency is inaudible, it is not detected by the victim until the damage is done. I believe I read somewhere that Germany was experimenting with it during WWII as a weapon.

I'm not sure abotu damage to hearing. Damage to hearing occurs usually at high volume, causing the hairs of the cochlea to rub off and fragment. This is often seen in DJ's in nightclubs, resulting in losses of hearing in the high frequency and low frequency ranges. The nazi research i havn't come across and so i shoudlnt' comment.

Originally posted by TheRedneck
It's similar to the reason people hold their ears when a sudden jolt of feedback occurs in amplifiers. The higher-pitched tones just above human hearing can cause acute pain. So why would it be anything other than logical to accept that low-frequency sound might have similar effects?

Well i can't comment hear, i have abnormal hearing as a human, my response to high frequencies is beyond the normal range and causes me a lot of pain and trouble, including sickness. that's why i can't visit nightclubs. However the simple fact and this isn't up for debate, is that research has shown that low frequency sounds do cause nausea, giddyness and even anxiety problems.

So basically research should be done carefully and without influence.

I can relate to some of this myself by sensitivity to lights and noises. I used to hear voices that sounded like a talk show or news report coming from the wall at night after I took my one medication.

I figured out it was from the refrigerator and unplugged it...most likely the compressor.

When I was working many years ago at one factory, they installed a screw type air compressor that was very annoying. I believe they had to add some type of noise shield around it. So, there should be some type of device we can rent that picks these up? I believe osha also checks for noise levels in some work places periodically both inside and outside of the building.

A friend of mine had a dog that would attack people because of the hinges on his storm door. Imagine what the animals are going through.