The Milky Way Theory

this topic intrigued me enough i joined the website, i was the anonymous poster from earlier.
newton's law states "for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction". with this being said, i read where space was described as being so large that the milky way galaxy is equal to 1 grain of sand on a beach. my point is that if space is that large, who is to prove or disprove that there may not be some force from another galaxy causing a "rift" that may or may not cause an axial shift in the milky way. do i believe that it will happen, probably not, am i disregarding the whole possibility of it happening, no.
there are too many unknowns concerning the future. if a person wanted to prove something bad enough, that person can manipulate facts; mathmatical and scientifically to support their theory.
concerning the mayan calender, why is it that the mayan calender is extremely accurate to the dates of solar eclipses, lunar eclipses, changing of the seasons and then they just stop at a particular day?
a majority of all theories have a base line of truth and facts that support the idea that someone has. possibly the best way to receive answers is to present the idea and theory to a more cultivated person in the field in question; in this case an astrologer or space quantum physics specialists.
i believe that the next quote is the best though, "there are some questions that there are no answers for, they are there for man to ponder and use intelect to try and solve the unknowns, but yet there will be no right or wrong answers".

Originally posted by seek4 truth
I think you may very well be on to something here. If I put a rubber ducky in a tub and pulled the plug, it would end up at the drain. No matter what size the tub was even if it is a large swimming pool, the out come would be the same.

I also think since all these things spin in the same direction and the image of the Hurricane is identical to the Milky Way, including the eye, there is no doubt in my mind it has to be having some kind of effect on our solar system. I think it is strange that this has not been pointed out before.

i dont find it strange at all that this hasnt been brought up... its because its absolute bupkus and nothing more..... we are moving into an alignment with the galactic center but this isnt going to effect the rotation of the earth which wont even notice this the forces on the earth will remain the same... the only thing serious that could happen is a rapid shift in magnetic poles due to the increased exposure to the galactic centers magnetic waves the rest is at best pure folly thanks for the laugh

the only thing serious that could happen is a rapid shift in magnetic poles due to the increased exposure to the galactic centers magnetic waves the rest is at best pure folly thanks for the laugh

Oh man thanks im glade you came along to clear everything up, im rolling on the floor now.

Now all you have to do is post where you got your information so we can all rest.

Your primary assumption about the Milky Way and the Solar system is in error. This causes problems with your whole theory. The Solar System does rotate in a counter-clockwise direction if you are looking "down" on it from north pole. The Earth also rotates counter-clockwise. Let's ignore the fact that Venus and Uranus rotate clockwise for now.
So far so good. But then you say the Milky Way also rotates counter-clockwise, it does not.
library.thinkquest.org...
encarta.msn.com...

Thus your "theory" that the revolution of the planets around the sun is somehow tied to the rotation of the galaxy is false. Your "theory" that the rotation of the planets around their axes is also tied to the rotation of the galaxy is also false (except for Venus and Uranus, they do rotate clockwise. Another problem). Even without the discrepancy in directions of rotation, there is no reason to link the motion of the planets and the rotation of the Milky Way. In fact, the plane of the of the Solar System is not aligned with the plane of The Galaxy and it won't be for a long long time, if ever.
www.msnbc.msn.com...
biocab.org...

The 26,000 year cycle you talk about is due to precession, the wobble of the Earth on its axis. It has been happening for a long, long time. By your "theory" the Earth should have been directly between the "Dark Rift" (nothing more than a dust cloud) and the Sun every 26,000 years. You say the Earth reversing its rotation and changing its tilt, as well as the planets moving out of their original positions will be catastrophic. Surely there should be some geologic evidence of such a huge catastrophe having occurred time and time again, every 26,000 years. That's a very short time geologically. Can you find some of that evidence? It would be a good boost to your "theory".

Your "theory" seems to be just another loose conglomeration of the predictions being passed around related to the Mayan calendar (2012) and Niribu (tilting axis, reversed rotation). You've just added the nonsense about galactic rotation to replace the passing of a mythical planet as the cause of the calamity.

reply to post by Phage

First off I stated in the beginning this "If you were to be above it looking down on the planets" maybe this was not clear enough, which I already figured that and asked it to be removed to be reworded. So to make it more clearer if I was behind it looking at the planets, for example if it was a glass clock, if I was looking through it, it would be spinning counter clockwise and its image would be exact as to what a hurricane is in the hemisphere you would be looking at. and the opposite on the other side.

I do thank you for showing eveyone the links to prove this and I am sorry that I did not make it clear enough for some to understand. Now as it goes for the planets spin by themselves I am also well aware of which ones do and have a seperate theory for that also, this post was for every planet not one, one is a seperate issue. Besides I decided to start all over and am now back to the Question does the Milky Way spin or not?

First off, good thread. Like a lot of people, the 2012 alignment definitely intrigues me and I wonder if there is something big that is going to happen. I'll give you my take on that in a bit.

For now, there are some things that you might want to know which could help you clean up your idea.

First, let's start with galaxies. In the early days of searching for black holes, scientists just wanted to prove they existed. Now, after mapping star movement in many galaxies scientists think that a supermassive black hole is at the center of every spiral galaxy. These supermassive black holes were created after the big bang cooled and the first giant stars formed, burned rapidly and then exploded and collapsed. The rotation of the black hole created the spiral effect that you see in our galaxy the Milky Way.

As galaxies grow they can eat up smaller clusters of stars. In fact, some scientists think that our solar system might be part of a smaller cluster of stars which was eaten by the Milky Way. Eventually, galaxies get close enough to each other to combine into one big galaxy. This will happen to the Milky Way one day when we crash into the Andromeda Galaxy. At that point the gravity from both spiral galaxies will completely thrash the stars, flinging some into space and some into the supermassive black hole. This is how you get all the types of galaxies we see other than spirals.

The formation of the planets and how they spin are determined by the angles and speed of the particles as they clumped together in the beginning. For this reason, some planets spin the same direction Earth does and others have what's called retrograde spin. Mercury, Venus, and Pluto all have retrograde spin, opposite of the direction of the Earth's. Uranus, which is tilted on it's side, is an exception and it is believed this was caused by a collision at some point.

The spin of each planet is actually slowing down each year, caused by gravity from the sun, moons and other planets acting on them. For example, one day on Earth takes a seoond longer each year due to our loss of spin.

Now, onto 2012. As I understand, the Sun and Earth will be aligned with the center of the galaxy. This particular alignment happens once every 26,000 years or so. Will this have some kind of effect? The two possibilities I've considered are a magnetic field reversal or a planetary wobble.

The magnetic field reversal has happened on average about every 250,000 years and hasn't happened in over 700,000 years. Current studies are showing that we might actually be in the process of a polarity flip. This doesn't really match up with the every 26,000 year alignment of the Sun and the center of the Galaxy so there is probably another mechanism at work there. My guess, irregularities in the shape of the Earth's iron core.

I'll detail the possibility of an Earth wobble on my next post. Here's some links for info in this post.

Strange Twists on our Spinning Planet

What is the Galactic Alignment

Magnetic Storm

Originally posted by Brandon Levon
Besides I decided to start all over and am now back to the Question does the Milky Way spin or not?

Here's a hint. Start by checking the links I posted. You might learn something. You have a very lot to learn before you're going to be able to come up with a coherent hypothesis, much less a theory.

reply to post by Phage
As for you mentioning a dust cloud, what usually makes dust? Most claim this to be The Oort cloud, this does not help convince me of my safety.

en.wikipedia.org...

sorry about that.



[edit on 14-8-2008 by Brandon Levon]

reply to post by Brandon Levon


Not "an" oort cloud. "The Oort Cloud". And it has nothing to do with the "Dark Rift".

Listen, you can't just pick up things here and there, you have to have a grasp of the big picture. You seem to have no idea of the most basic facts of astronomy and you're trying to put together a theory about "the end of the world as we know it" based on astronomy.

Have you decided that there is going to be a cataclysm and are looking around for something that's going to cause it? That's not the way it works.

[edit on 14-8-2008 by Phage]

Now, onto the wobble of the Earth. As everyone should know, the Earth is tilted, currently 23.5 degrees. This tilt causes the seasons. The tilt changes with a periodicity of 41,000 years and goes from 24.5 degrees to 21.5 degrees.

The next periodic cycle is the eccentricity of the Earth's orbit around the Sun. The elliptical orbit of the Earth changes from 0-5% over the period of 100,000 years.

The final cycle is the Earth's precession. The precession is the Earth's slow wobble as it spins on it's axis. This cycle has a period of 23,000 years.

These three cycles are known as the Milankovitch Cycles and they have been the prime suspect in both the cyclic nature of Ice Ages and the cyclical extinction of species.

Now to the crazy theory part!

We might currently be in the process of a magnetic field reversal (See last post). This could be caused by the changes in shape of the iron core of the Earth. Think of a lava lamp slowly bulging and changing shape. This could cause the Earth's center of gravity to change and not be directly in the center. Now, add the gravity of the Sun, lined up perfectly with the gravity of the galactic equator, and the uneven spinning of the Earth's core. Finally, add a perfect combination of the positions of the Milankovitch Cycles. Maybe this is enough to overcome the spinning force of the Earth and cause it to wobble crazily. Imagine the continent of Antarctica suddenly at the equator and North America suddenly at the North Pole!

Granted there is absolutely nothing to support this theory, but it is kind of a fun thought experiment if you are into Megadisasters!

Here are my links.

Milankovitch Cycles

Mammal Extinctions Blamed on Earth's Wobble

reply to post by Phage
Do you believe in the bible? It is the written account of the mayan calendar. The sphinx is the representation of the half way point on the zodiac. People still have no idea that there are so many documents dated with astrology and my guess is you are one.

reply to post by Evil Genius
Thank you for the post it seems you have been doing your homework.

reply to post by Phage
So are you trying to say the link you think I did not check is the reason for the dust. You never answered what causes this dust. Actually it seems like you are talking in circles telling me the things that you know which I keep saying I already know, but if I know what you know I am wrong.

reply to post by Phage
So you are 100% that the Milky Way is not drawing this dust in?

reply to post by Brandon Levon


The authors of the Bible had knowledge of the Mayan Calendar?

That's kind of amazing. You must be right. We're doomed. I wish you and your family the best in the terrible days to come. I have little hope I'll survive though.


[edit on 14-8-2008 by Phage]

reply to post by Phage
This is another thing that interested me is the fact that the width of the earth will change if the poles shift. This means all the water will now be above parts of the earth that we live on... This has been documented as going to happen for hundreds to thousands of years as the age changes from Pisces to Aquarius.

Merlin the magician was considered one of Europe’s finest seers in the middle ages, he states"The twelve mansions of the stars will weep to see their inmates transgress so. The Gemini will cease their wanton embraces and will dispatch Aquarius to the fountains. The seas shall rise up in the twinkling of an eye".

There are tones of these dating back thousands of years, there is no I think he was talking about this time, oh I think he is talking about that time. This is the exact time line of the bible and the Mayan calendar and there are more, more, more, more all with the exact astrology dating system from beginning to end.





[edit on 14-8-2008 by Brandon Levon]

Originally posted by Brandon Levon
reply to post by Phage

 

This is another thing that interested me is the fact that the width of the earth will change if the poles shift. This means all the water will now be above parts of the earth that we live on... This has been documented as going to happen for hundreds to thousands of years as the age changes from Pisces to Aquarius.

Merlin the magician was considered one of Europe’s finest seers in the middle ages, he states"The twelve mansions of the stars will weep to see their inmates transgress so. The Gemini will cease their wanton embraces and will dispatch Aquarius to the fountains. The seas shall rise up in the twinkling of an eye".

There are tones of these dating back thousands of years, there is no I think he was talking about this time, oh I think he is talking about that time. This is the exact time line of the bible and the Mayan calendar and there are more, more, more, more all with the exact astrology dating system from beginning to end.





[edit on 14-8-2008 by Brandon Levon]

quoting merlin......................... very scientific (skunkworks anyone)

aside from polar shifts which occur naturally anyway the rest of the 2012 theories in their entirety are media and internet propaganda nothing is going to happen and this "alignment" isnt anything serious science is considering...... in other words this is a waste of time it will only appear from our perspective that we are aligned the solar system will not leave its place and magically move down or up or whatever to the galactic plane one word here people presession

csep10.phys.utk.edu...

our perspective is the only alignment there is we arent flying around in our spining galaxy which is what we would have to be doing to physically align with the galactic center plane

[edit on 14-8-2008 by constantwonder]

Originally posted by Brandon Levon

Originally posted by avingard


"nature isn't as random as it appears at first glance."

That is the point yes, Thank you. I am not saying that you are not right, but I am curious that it does seem that you are suggesting that the laws of physics do not apply to the Milky Way.

I'm not disputing the laws of physics at all. The Sun has an infinitely greater gravitational affect on the Earth than the milky way does and alignment doesn't at all effect the gravitational affect.

How has what I said defied the laws of physics?

reply to post by constantwonder

This is interesting first you pick out one of three as proof that the dates in our history are not the same, even though they are. Then you post a link stating there is something to do with 26,000 and 13,000 just as Mr levon said. I have read the book he has written it has many examples not just three and some are carved in stone they are so old. You need to ask yourself how come you have not learned about this stuff? How come nobody is mentioning these? This guy is no idiot and I guarantee he knows more than he is telling you.

reply to post by avingard
It look like to me you are saying if an object is large it produces no wind. And if I am guessing wrong about this it seems you are saying it produces wind but has no effect on other objects that are larger. common man, You dont see the conflict in the laws of physics?

Then I try to think about what you say and maybe you are saying there can be no wind or force in space, but then im back to the question I asked you, how does a rocket work in space?






[edit on 14-8-2008 by seek4 truth]