*ALERT* We may have our first real case for a valid UFO.

Originally posted by vapedson
what about the color changes- can any camera do that?

The colors around the edges of the blurred lights are called chromatic aberrations. So common, many cameras attempt to automatically compensate for them.

Blaine, can you produce a video showing the diamond effect?
That image you have clearly speaks, but a video would be nice.

Where is your evidence, skeptics? You are always so impatient to see the evidence for different things, so stop slacking, make a hoax reinactment of this video that looks similar then end this thread already.

NephraTari,

I think the space shuttle one is the best. If you pause it at 13 seconds, you can see a purple beam shoot out of it.

Originally posted by Frankenchrist
NephraTari,

I think the space shuttle one is the best. If you pause it at 13 seconds, you can see a purple beam shoot out of it.

BINGO!!! its at 14 seconds . Okay that one is in day time and it moves around. What is the line that goes through the object just above center? Why didn't the Space shuttle look like a diamond but this object in question did.

Here is the vid:

Thanks rickyrrr for that explanation, i'm a complete buffoon when it comes to cameras and their operation.

reply to post by Ferengi


I don't shoot video's; only stills with Nikon Pro camera's that would have a different shutter.

I believe that what you need is cheap home camcorder that can be switched to manual focus and has the correct aperture. Point it at a bright light at night and adjust the focus until it blurs and just past that point it will take on the shape of the iris.

I'm not a debunker as I do believe in UFOs, but I'm getting weary of this You Tube nonsense. Like the fool I am, I always view these threads, hoping for a good video, but my heart sinks when I see that YouTube link. I think these are getting so out of hand that they are driving people away from this topic.

Anyone seeking good evidence should be offended by these attempts at fraud instead of defending them.

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With that shape of shutter, I think you are going to need a cheapo home camcorder with manual focus to accomplish what you want. All I have is an ancient Hi8 but I looked and it has a hexagonal shutter. All I would get is orbs.

There is no doubt in my mind what this is however.

I don't know if it's related or not, but have you seen one of the newest crop circles????

www.cropcircleconnector.com...


Kinda interesting.

People that say this is a fake but won't reproduce it are little homos.

Interesting post, though the title is misleading, which you have already addressed. Thanks for that.

The video on youtube from the news station is very interesting. I wonder if someone spliced the actual voices and scroll bar together with a fake video or if the diamond object shooting a purple beam is real. All the others seem like they could be easily faked and one of the videos is already debunked, I believe it has been debunked even here more than once as a video of a floating Chinese Lanter.

Anyway like you I'd love for the debunkers to post a video of what they claim is nothing more than a simple camera trick. I'm no expert, but I own a digital camera that works as a decent video recorder and I've never once filmed foreign objects that could not be determined on it, even if I focused in on something far away in the sky. I've certainly never filmed anything like those diamond shapes while focusing on planes in the sky, even when I was recording military planes very high up and going very fast. If my crappy little camera doesn't make such a mistake I have trouble with the explanation that an actual cam corder can until someone in this thread proves it, although I think the debunkers are probably correct.

Some of the videos seem clearly out of the ordinary. While they are not conclusive proof by any means I thank you for posting them. They are indeed UFOs seeing as how they have yet to be identified.

BOO on the title
Otherwise this could have been an OK post.
ALERT.........really...?..... ALERT

In my opinion the attempt to reproduce this and other ufo films to "prove" it is a hoax is somewhat weird. I just can't see why a successful attempt to reproduce a sighting could ever prove something.

To even be close to prove anything by reproducing anything you need to use the very same camera that shot the original clip. With todays softwares that circulates around on the internet it is not hard to reproduce anything for an average skilled person.

(Ok this is a far fetched comparison but the principle is still the same)

but..

Can you prove to a judge that one man is a murderer by make a murder of your own with your own weapon? I'm not sure but if I would be the judge then i would never take that as a evidence for a murder.

So as far as I am concerned, people can reproduce all they want, it would never convince me in any way.
Though I can understand that the lens can produce this shapes. And to me it is pretty logic that the lenses distort light somewhat when it can't focus. But wouldn't the shape onlu occure at a close up pic? ( I honestly don't know this is why I ask )
Cause the shape is seen even when the camera have zoomed out.

And in one of the films you see a few branches ( I guess from a tree ) go infront of the object. Should they even be visable?

Now these questions can be answered by reproducing, BUT...it would still never prove anything in my opinion.

This is the tricky part in general regarding UFO's I think. It is hard to prove or disprove.
Some of these might be real stuff, some may not...who knows. Who am I to tell what is genuine or not. But I have my point of view, and that.....is sacred.

[edit on 11-8-2008 by Akezzon]

Thanks for Bonus Triple super duper alerting us to yet another BS hoax thread. This is definitely the first in a long long line of worthless threads posted here. Congrats on recycling and adding yourself to that list. You just proved my signature correctly.

[edit on 11-8-2008 by rocksarerocks]

Hmmmm still no debunkers with footage they've created to prove their camera explanations. All I see is harsh words and a lot of googling on how cameras work. Bravo, you debunkers have grand googling skills.

[edit on 11-8-2008 by Tomis_Nexis]

Looks good to me. Very impressive videos. I haven't seen any good debunking here...not considering there are that many videos from that many different locations. I particularly like the one where you can see it all bright and shiny and in-focus, and passing behind the tree-branches at that. The Fox News footage had a pretty clear shot as well.



S&F

Originally posted by Blaine91555
reply to post by rickyrrr

 

With that shape of shutter, I think you are going to need a cheapo home camcorder with manual focus to accomplish what you want. All I have is an ancient Hi8 but I looked and it has a hexagonal shutter. All I would get is orbs.

There is no doubt in my mind what this is however.

hey, so can you tell us why you believe in ufo's? what videos convinced you?

also, so you think everybody taking the shots are hoaxers? because according to what you say the things are only visible through the camera meaning they cant actually see it with their eyes?

also your explanation of the camera being what causes this effect might fit for one of the videos but certainly not for all, some are glowing, vibrating, separating, etc. could you explain all that?

[edit on 11-8-2008 by luis9343]

The last ones didnt even look the same... as the first two

There are plenty of valid UFO photos, meaning photos and videos of something flying around that we can't identify. Are they aliens? Time probes? I haven't seen any yet that prove it, because there's never been anything associated with them that definitively prove anything.

I don't care whether its a camera artifact or not. What difference does it make? They still have practically no value in the field.

Another junk thread.

Originally posted by NephraTari
reply to post by groingrinder

 

A still is not the same as video.
Anyone with moderate skills can photoshop.
You are claiming this can be done easily.. I want to see it reproduced in THIS form.

If believers are made to back up their claims skeptics should be held up to the same standard.

Not possibe to photoshop video, everyone seems to think you can...But you can't.