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There has been alot of speculation that Russia and the United states are in the process of making a property exchange, we turn our back and dont help
georgia, maybe russia will turn their backs on iran when we start our invasion, end result , russian obtains georgia and some of the ukraine, and we
get a free ride assault on IRAN?
Just brought up and discussed but found to be off topic in the other arenas, so decided to bring this topic to skunk works, as there is no proof of any of it , only speculation...
Just brought up and discussed but found to be off topic in the other arenas, so decided to bring this topic to skunk works, as there is no proof of any of it , only speculation...
reply to post by depetydog
It's a little late for Bush to be invading Iran now. He is already setting up a diplomacy with the country. Russia is supporting the tiny break-away republic because it had promised to help it out. Most of the former Soviet republics are still dictatorships.
Bush will try to broker a peace deal and try to salvage what is left of his legacy.
It's a little late for Bush to be invading Iran now. He is already setting up a diplomacy with the country. Russia is supporting the tiny break-away republic because it had promised to help it out. Most of the former Soviet republics are still dictatorships.
Bush will try to broker a peace deal and try to salvage what is left of his legacy.
reply to post by depetydog
I don't believe it.. I had this same discussion last night too.
I wonder how many other people are feeling the same about the situation.
No western outcry..something to do with yet more ships heading for a blockade perhaps?
I'd love to be a fly on the wall,listening in on the current coms between west n Russia.
Wheelydealies all round methinks.
I don't believe it.. I had this same discussion last night too.
I wonder how many other people are feeling the same about the situation.
No western outcry..something to do with yet more ships heading for a blockade perhaps?
I'd love to be a fly on the wall,listening in on the current coms between west n Russia.
Wheelydealies all round methinks.
Originally posted by depetydog
There has been alot of speculation that Russia and the United states are in the process of making a property exchange, we turn our back and dont help georgia, maybe russia will turn their backs on iran when we start our invasion,
Everyone gets thier own personal oil field to plant thier troops on.
[edit on 10-8-2008 by In nothing we trust]
Originally posted by kidflash2008
reply to post by depetydog
It's a little late for Bush to be invading Iran now. He is already setting up a diplomacy with the country. Russia is supporting the tiny break-away republic because it had promised to help it out. Most of the former Soviet republics are still dictatorships.
Bush will try to broker a peace deal and try to salvage what is left of his legacy.
Then why is the massive US naval armada heading for the Persian Gulf?
The main theory and start of this theory belongs to
Captiva, just so everyone knows that i did not intend to steal any spotlight, and respect the opinons of captiva
[edit on 10-8-2008 by depetydog]
Captiva, just so everyone knows that i did not intend to steal any spotlight, and respect the opinons of captiva
[edit on 10-8-2008 by depetydog]
reply to post by depetydog
That comment was appreciated but not needed, feel free to enlarge or shoot down what may be so off the wall as theories go, or might be so near the truth that it makes us all impotent in the way of worl politics.
No offence taken depetydog
That comment was appreciated but not needed, feel free to enlarge or shoot down what may be so off the wall as theories go, or might be so near the truth that it makes us all impotent in the way of worl politics.
No offence taken depetydog
Agent I think you are spot on. The red phone has been hotter than bisquit of late. The deals and wheels are moving.
The lead American ship in these war games, the USS Theodore Roosevelt (CVN71) and its Carrier Strike Group Two (CCSG-2) are now headed towards Iran along with the USS Ronald Reagon (CVN76) and its Carrier Strike Group Seven (CCSG-7) coming from Japan. They are joining two existing USN battle groups in the Gulf area: the USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN72) with its Carrier Strike Group Nine (CCSG-9); and the USS Peleliu (LHA-5) with its expeditionary strike group. Likely also under way towards the Persian Gulf is the USS Iwo Jima (LHD-7) and its expeditionary strike group, the UK Royal Navy HMS Ark Royal (R07) carrier battle group, assorted French naval assets including the nuclear hunter-killer submarine Amethyste and French Naval Rafale fighter jets on-board the USS Theodore Roosevelt. These ships took part in the just completed Operation Brimstone. The build up of naval forces in the Gulf will be one of the largest multi-national naval armadas since the First and Second Gulf Wars. The intent is to create a US/EU naval blockade (which is an Act of War under international law) around Iran (with supporting air and land elements) to prevent the shipment of benzene and certain other refined oil products headed to Iranian ports. Iran has limited domestic oil refining capacity and imports 40% of its benzene. Cutting off benzene and other key products would cripple the Iranian economy. The neo-cons are counting on such a blockade launching a war with Iran. The US Naval forces being assembled include the following: Carrier Strike Group Nine USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN72) nuclear powered supercarrier with its Carrier Air Wing Two Destroyer Squadron Nine: USS Mobile Bay (CG53) guided missile cruiser USS Russell (DDG59) guided missile destroyer USS Momsen (DDG92) guided missile destroyer USS Shoup (DDG86) guided missile destroyer USS Ford (FFG54) guided missile frigate USS Ingraham (FFG61) guided missile frigate USS Rodney M. Davis (FFG60) guided missile frigate USS Curts (FFG38) guided missile frigate Plus one or more nuclear hunter-killer submarines Peleliu Expeditionary Strike Group USS Peleliu (LHA-5) a Tarawa-class amphibious assault carrier USS Pearl Harbor ('___'52) assult ship USS Dubuque (LPD8) assult ship/landing dock USS Cape St. George (CG71) guided missile cruiser USS Halsey (DDG97) guided missile destroyer USS Benfold (DDG65) guided missile destroyer Carrier Strike Group Two USS Theodore Roosevelt (DVN71) nuclear powered supercarrier with its Carrier Air Wing Eight Destroyer Squadron 22 USS Monterey (CG61) guided missile cruiser USS Mason (DDG87) guided missile destroyer USS Nitze (DDG94) guided missile destroyer USS Sullivans (DDG68) guided missile destroyer USS Springfield (SSN761) nuclear powered hunter-killer submarine IWO ESG ~ Iwo Jima Expeditionary Strike Group USS Iwo Jima (LHD7) amphibious assault carrier with its Amphibious Squadron Four and with its 26th Marine Expeditionary Unit USS San Antonio (LPD17) assault ship USS Velia Gulf (CG72) guided missile cruiser USS Ramage (DDG61) guided missile destroyer USS Carter Hall ('___'50) assault ship USS Roosevelt (DDG80) guided missile destroyer USS Hartfore (SSN768) nuclear powered hunter-killer submarine Carrier Strike Group Seven USS Ronald Reagan (CVN76) nuclear powered supercarrier with its Carrier Air Wing 14 Destroyer Squadron 7 USS Chancellorsville (CG62) guided missile cruiser USS Howard (DDG83) guided missile destroyer USS Gridley (DDG101) guided missile destroyer USS Decatur (DDG73) guided missile destroyer USS Thach (FFG43) guided missile frigate USNS Rainier (T-AOE-7) fast combat support ship Also likely to join the battle armada: UK Royal Navy HMS Ark Royal Carrier Strike Group with assorted guided missile destroyers and frigates, nuclear hunter-killer submarines and support ships French Navy nuclear powered hunter-killer submarines (likely the Amethyste and perhaps others), plus French Naval Rafale fighter jets operating off of the USS Theodore Roosevelt as the French Carrier Charles de Gaulle is in dry dock, and assorted surface warships Various other US Navy warships and submarines and support ships. The following USN ships took part (as the "enemy" forces) in Operation Brimstone and several may join in: USS San Jacinto (CG56) guided missile cruiser USS Anzio (CG68) guided missile cruiser USS Normandy (CG60) guided missile cruiser USS Carney (DDG64) guided missile destroyer USS Oscar Austin (DDG79) guided missile destroyer USS Winston S. Churchill (DDG81) guided missile destroyer USS Carr (FFG52) guided missile frigate The USS Iwo Jima and USS Peleliu Expeditionary Strike Groups have USMC Harrier jump jets and an assortment of assault and attack helicopters. The Expeditionary Strike Groups have powerful USMC Expeditionary Units with amphibious armor and ground forces trained for operating in shallow waters and in seizures of land assets, such as Qeshm Island (a 50 mile long island off of Bandar Abbas in the Gulf of Hormuz and headquarters of the Iranian Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps). The large and very advanced nature of the US Naval warships is not only directed at Iran. There is a great fear that Russia and China may oppose the naval and air/land blockade of Iran. If Russian and perhaps Chinese naval warships escort commercial tankers to Iran in violation of the blockade it could be the most dangerous at-sea confrontation since the Cuban Missile Crisis. The US and allied Navies, by front loading a Naval blockade force with very powerful guided missile warships and strike carriers is attempting to have a force so powerful that Russia and China will not be tempted to mess with. This is a most serious game of military brinkmanship with major nuclear armed powers that have profound objections to the neo-con grand strategy and to western control of all of the Middle East's oil supply.
Seems a bit heavy handed to me and in numbers I think the armada could take the world never mind blockade Iran and guarantee the safety of the oil pipes and suez !
This from Project Camelot ...........
www.conspiracypenpal.com...
This is going to be quick and dirty today. No cute cartoons. No philosophizing. We haven't time for any of that today.
I believe we are on the verge of the outbreak of World War III. Right now.
If I'm wrong, then so be it. I'll apologize for being overreactive later. Too much hangs in the balance if I am right. Treat it as an exercise if you like. A practice for when the real thing happens, because you can be sure the real thing will happen ... and soon.
For those who follow my writings and know just how right I usually am, be advised that I consider this to be very likely in the very near term (within the next week or two), highly likely within the next month or two and dead certain within the next year or two. I am uncertain only about the timing, not the outcome. The outcome is worldwide war, of course, and the likely defeat of America.
There is a convergence of factors just now that, taken together, suggest something momentous in the offing. Do your own googling and research to pull up articles. Today, I am just going to rattle them off, rather than tie in URLs for your ease in reference.
[i/]
www.conspiracypenpal.com...
This is going to be quick and dirty today. No cute cartoons. No philosophizing. We haven't time for any of that today.
I believe we are on the verge of the outbreak of World War III. Right now.
If I'm wrong, then so be it. I'll apologize for being overreactive later. Too much hangs in the balance if I am right. Treat it as an exercise if you like. A practice for when the real thing happens, because you can be sure the real thing will happen ... and soon.
For those who follow my writings and know just how right I usually am, be advised that I consider this to be very likely in the very near term (within the next week or two), highly likely within the next month or two and dead certain within the next year or two. I am uncertain only about the timing, not the outcome. The outcome is worldwide war, of course, and the likely defeat of America.
There is a convergence of factors just now that, taken together, suggest something momentous in the offing. Do your own googling and research to pull up articles. Today, I am just going to rattle them off, rather than tie in URLs for your ease in reference.
[i/]
with that much firepower, they could obliterate every target in iran in a matter of hours.
i had no idea that much machinery was on its way there, kind of makes georgia look small in scale of this,
all i can say is
holly crap
i had no idea that much machinery was on its way there, kind of makes georgia look small in scale of this,
all i can say is
holly crap
reply to post by asen_y2k
Bush has made peace overtones the past few weeks toward Iran. If he invades now, McCain can kiss the presidency goodbye for sure. They are not going to invade for that reason alone. Wait until after the election.
Bush has made peace overtones the past few weeks toward Iran. If he invades now, McCain can kiss the presidency goodbye for sure. They are not going to invade for that reason alone. Wait until after the election.
I don't think this conflict is a smokescreen or anything other than a big misscalculation by the leadership of Georgia and USA,add some false
promises by the west, USA intentions in the region is for stability-for Georgia to enter fully into NATO ,plus arms sales IMO Too much at stake to
lose potential members , once Georgia goes so does Ukraine= Bad for USA/NATO
reply to post by all2human
It may as you say not be a smokescreen, but it is deff there to be taken advantage of.
IMHO US has too much to loose in the amount of credibility they are loosing by not supporting georgia unless it is an intentional part of a bigger plan. Add to that, again IMHO, the feeling i get that the Russians have been way to at ease in what they have done in the last 48 hours, although they had a right to do it. There is so much of this that we dont understand, and wont till tomorrow or Tuesday.
It may as you say not be a smokescreen, but it is deff there to be taken advantage of.
IMHO US has too much to loose in the amount of credibility they are loosing by not supporting georgia unless it is an intentional part of a bigger plan. Add to that, again IMHO, the feeling i get that the Russians have been way to at ease in what they have done in the last 48 hours, although they had a right to do it. There is so much of this that we dont understand, and wont till tomorrow or Tuesday.
totally off topic, but an interesting thought anyway...Titors prediction of the 2004 olympics being the last, could very well be true if the current
games are cancelled due to what is or is about to happen in iether the Cuacases or the middle east region ?
Georgia probably got the ok from the West.. whether he misunderstood the message is unclear.
He said the Russians crossed into Georgia, regardless if it was part of the break away region, and that in his mind is considered an invasion.
He took military action instead of informing the "convey" to return.
If.. he was given the ok.. it would not be far fetched. considering the States has a history of backstabbing other leaders during times of war..
eg.
Source
What better way for Russia to impose a puppet just as the US did and in exchange the US gets Iran.
What I have yet not resolved is what does China get out of this? Cheaper oil? Considering oil is sold in US dollars.. any war the US takes against any OPEC nation or Iran would inflate the prices in China.
So once the dust settles.. Russia can dictate prices for the UK and the States can dictate the price for China... until all nations build enough nuke plants to sustain their energy needs so as not to rely on oil.
Oil is only a short term thing.. most likely they are looking to combine resources for their main prize.... the energy on the moon.
Lunar Helium-3 as an Energy Source
Don't forget.. once the oil rich nations are depleted of their resources.. they will be a risk as they look to their nabours to support their country.. and a country with lots of cash can buy lots of big toys to play with nabours who may not be well prepared.. so might as well take down those who don't play well with other world leaders..
eg..
Olmert.. charges laid to have him step down. He is looking for peace.. others want to attack Iran.
Afghan pres. is now being accused of collaborating with drug war lords. This after he informs the US that Afghanistan will not be a launching pad to invade Iran.
Palestinian president is being impeached.
So many pieces being moved in such a short time on a global scale..
He said the Russians crossed into Georgia, regardless if it was part of the break away region, and that in his mind is considered an invasion.
He took military action instead of informing the "convey" to return.
If.. he was given the ok.. it would not be far fetched. considering the States has a history of backstabbing other leaders during times of war..
eg.
In 1990 before Iraq invaded Kuwait the US Ambassador April Gillespie met with Saddam Hussein. There was no way to be sure if they gave the ok to invade Kuwait at that time. The USA Support of Saddam Hussein was told to have stopped by the American Media and mainstream newspapers in the USA, However some US Corporations continued to trade with Iraq though other foreign means. Later the truth about April Gillespie and Saddam Hussein's meeting was out and many as I believe will tell you it is sure that April Gillespie told Saddam to attack Kuwait.
Source
What better way for Russia to impose a puppet just as the US did and in exchange the US gets Iran.
What I have yet not resolved is what does China get out of this? Cheaper oil? Considering oil is sold in US dollars.. any war the US takes against any OPEC nation or Iran would inflate the prices in China.
So once the dust settles.. Russia can dictate prices for the UK and the States can dictate the price for China... until all nations build enough nuke plants to sustain their energy needs so as not to rely on oil.
Oil is only a short term thing.. most likely they are looking to combine resources for their main prize.... the energy on the moon.
He3 fusion plants have been proved out, and folks are frantically building them, just waiting for us to show up with with tanks full of helium-3.
.........
The Energy
That 1 million metric tonnes of He3, reacted with deuterium, would generate about 20,000 terrawatt-years of thermal energy. The units alone are awesome: a terrawatt-year is one trillion (10 to 12th power) watt-years. To put this into perspective, one 100-watt light bulb will use 100 watt-years of energy in one year.
That's about 10 times the energy we could get from mining all the fossil fuels on Earth, without the smog and acid rain. If we torched all our uranium in liquid metal fast breeder reactors, we could generate about half this much energy, and have some interesting times storing the waste.
Lunar Helium-3 as an Energy Source
Don't forget.. once the oil rich nations are depleted of their resources.. they will be a risk as they look to their nabours to support their country.. and a country with lots of cash can buy lots of big toys to play with nabours who may not be well prepared.. so might as well take down those who don't play well with other world leaders..
eg..
Olmert.. charges laid to have him step down. He is looking for peace.. others want to attack Iran.
Afghan pres. is now being accused of collaborating with drug war lords. This after he informs the US that Afghanistan will not be a launching pad to invade Iran.
Palestinian president is being impeached.
So many pieces being moved in such a short time on a global scale..
Russia has absolutely condemned the missile shield as a threat to there soverenty. Georgia is being made an example of. And God only knows if they are
crazy enough to start it up with Iran. All signs point to not good things.
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