important question about the Billy Meier case, please answer me

I believe in giving everybody the benefit of the doubt.

I myself am a firm believer that with all the evidence of extra terestrial life that there is far more proof they DO exist than they dont.

The Billy Meier case which is one of the most well known, of course sets alarm bells ringing by the simple fact that the pictures are almost too good to be true.

Ive spent ages probably months, on and off going over the entire story, every bit of it all the encounters, ive watched the conferences through his group figu or whatever they are called, and listened to countless sessions by randolph winters who has spoken at length about billy`s adventures.

However, something doesnt add up, right at the end, well at the last regular contact which was the 251st (aparently he only gets rare visits now), but the `pleiadians` said they arent pleiadians they are Plejarans, and that Pleiades star system is far too young to support any life, they go on to say `anybody using the name pleiadian should be ashamed of themselves etc`....

Now i dont get this, why would people with a very `important mission` lie about where they are from!
Why? to `protect themselves? That wasnt the reason they gave, plus they do apparently visit billy from time to time still.

How can we take seriously what a `race who feel a responsibilty for us and want to help us` say, when they have lied about who they are!

I respect Billy Meier and ive spent soo much time on the case, but the fact that he refers to them as `Pleaidians all the time` and only right at the end calls them by their real name... thats what has set alarm bells ringing for me!

Would a race of people with technology milleniums more advanced than us really be `protecting where they come from`? and if so, why would they use a misleading name for themselves all the time.

It doesnt add up, and even if you do believe all the stories about him going back in time, visiting a pre historic earth, the wedding cake ship, that the toy looking gun was really legitimate, then answer this one thing....
why would the people coming to help him lie about who they are, and why would billy (not even HIS real name), still refer to them as pleiadians throughtout his entire story!

Please for the love of god somebody enlighten me on this, as its really really bugging me, i want to believe his story i really do, but it doesnt add up

I find this story,i think its help you out in finding what you really looking for in this case its an more then 1 hour 30 mint video doc and Critics point of view
too ufoblogger.blogspot.com...

[edit on 8-8-2008 by beyound_us]

yes but this isnt a `was he legit` or `was the pics genuine` question
this is... how does it make sense that they werent even pleiadians

Originally posted by elliotuk
yes but this isnt a `was he legit` or `was the pics genuine` question
this is... how does it make sense that they werent even pleiadians

You answered your own question right there.

What "they" call themselves is what Meier calls them. He concocted the story and all in it, so it only makes sense as new information about real celestial bodies becomes known through science, the story will, and has changed.

Ok if look in his case there are three thing

1) he get contacted by aliens

2) He have his on explanation about how we came here on this earth and what is GOd ..

3) He have his Prophecy which are:-

Prophecy Date: February 28, 1987

Prediction: warning of the destruction of the World Trade Center (WTC) by terrorism, the series of worldwide wars that the US would subsequently launch, and military actions involving Russia, China, France, Germany, Spain, England, Scandinavia and many Third World and other countries.

Event: September 11, 2001, the WTC was destroyed; the United States has already attacked Afghanistan and Iraq as of the time of this writing. Prophecy Date: October 19, 1978

Prediction: Meier described existence of Jupiter's rings, saying:
1. They are composed mainly of dust, particles, sulphur ions flung off by volcanoes on Io;
2. Described Io as the most volcanically active body in the solar system, and smooth, level-surfaced with no water; described Europa as ice-encrusted;
3. Jupiter said to have 17 "actual" moons;
4. Described nature of Jupiter's huge funnel-shaped storm.

Event: March 5, 1979, NASA's Voyager 1 probe discovered the rings of Jupiter, that Io is the most volcanically active body in the solar system and that Europa is covered in ice-five months after Meier published this information.

Event: September 15, 1998, Cornell University scientists confirmed particulate composition of rings from Jupiter's moons (first theorized by astronomers on August 2, 1995). Meier's information is 20 years ahead of Cornell's. (While scientists believe that the source of the particulate matter is explosions caused by meteorite strikes on the moons' surfaces, Meier's information seems more accurate, i.e., that matter being propelled from volcanoes at speeds up to 2,300 km/hour to heights of 180 km is more likely the true source of most particulate-forming rings.

So now if we start with his pic if you call them Hoax you need to prove they are hoax.So until you can't prove it its unfair to call them fake.

Now if we talk about his alien contacts if you watch that video you will get more about it as well. And he explain how he get to know about future .And he know because of alien contact .So if his Prophecy are coming true and which are in front of all of us then we need to accept that he had alien contact too.

I hope it clear some of your dough

ive never doubted his story,
ive given all his pics the benefit of the doubt
and i have the utmost respect for randolph winters who has hundreds of radio and public interview sessions on youtube where he goes into the entire billy encounters history and explains in full detail

all im saying is how can i take it seriously if the name that they are calling themselves from day one is not even their name

and yes, it is important
as they introduced themselves as coming from the pleiadias star system
which they didnt come from

Originally posted by beyound_us
So now if we start with his pic if you call them Hoax you need to prove they are hoax.So until you can't prove it its unfair to call them fake.

Well firstly thats been done by many, myself included, to the satisfaction of the majority of the UFO interested public (except the Meier believers who refuse to accept any data contrary to their own).

Meier's story and photos/film have many backtracks and issues, all of which have been addressed here and across the web. To suspend the data for belief isn't all that good an idea.

Believe no one, but your own experience. Question.

Originally posted by elliotuk
It doesnt add up, [...]

I think that sums it up pretty well. Decades of claims with nothing definitive. Lots of excuses. And the photos aren't really all that good, either.

I comend you for wanting the facts and keeping things into perspective..

I totally side with you on wanting the actual name to be used and not the other..however, i can see their logic in using the first name of pleiadean because their actual star system is JUST BEHIND THE PLEIADEAS constelation..

think of it like the movie the goonies. (sorry if this example is bad) but as they first started their adventure, the four boys were on the coast line and they held up the metal object to the horizon which matched the huge rock formations coming out of the water which helped them line up which direction to GO!

if your star system was blocked by a huge sun.. at first wouldnt it make sense to just point to the huge LANDMARK at first.

i forgive them for changing their name, and i would suggest you keep focused on the EARLY testemony of billy, not all the after math discussion from his followers etc.

keep the faith

reply to post by elliotuk


Nowadays there is an awful lot of complete hog-wash and garbage new-age ideas and beliefs constantly being trotted out - a false new age if you will

thus in order to differentiate between Meier's truthful knowledge of Creation & Spirit Teachings - these ETs that billy meier is in contact with - because of their ability to know future events - knew well in advance that there would be a DELUGE of folks CLAIMING to be in contact with and/or receiving 'knowledge & teachings' from supposed Pleiadians (esp. channelers! - thats all hokey and total nonsense to say the least)

admittedly they are guilty of a slight ruse here - slight white lie if you will - however it is indeed perhaps an interesting way to trip up ALL of these other fraudsters and charlatans and an interesting way to differentiate between these too too numerous chalatans and fakes...... and that of Billy Meier - who is therefore consequently the absolutely then the REAL PROPHET of the REAL NEW AGE! as opposed to the false one.

hope that is of help

reply to post by elliotuk


Nowadays there is an awful lot of complete hog-wash and garbage new-age ideas and beliefs constantly being trotted out - a false new age if you will
thus in order to differentiate between Meier's truthful knowledge of Creation & Spirit Teachings - these ETs that billy meier is in contact with - because of their ability to know future events - knew well in advance that there would be a DELUGE of folks CLAIMING to be in contact with and/or receiving 'knowledge & teachings' from supposed Pleiadians (esp. channellers! - thats all hokey and total nonsense to say the least) - that is to say - especially so after hearing about billy's contacts with ETs from the Pleiades.

admittedly they are guilty of a slight ruse here - slight white lie if you will - however it is indeed perhaps an interesting way to trip up ALL of these other fraudsters and charlatans and an interesting way to differentiate between these too too numerous chalatans and fakes...... and that of Billy Meier - who is therefore consequently the absolutely then the REAL PROPHET of the REAL NEW AGE! as opposed to the false one.
hope that is of help


picture of billy meier ufo rising up over distant hill/horizon - bit hard to do this using just a model! billy is for REAL.



[edit on 19-8-2008 by gib_niner]

reply to post by gib_niner


The frame you reference is not showing the "craft" behind the "hill". What you're using is a still, from a video, shot by a Japanese crew...off a projection screen.

That said, between all the dubs, compression, and actual film, you're seeing bleed or "kissing" by virtue of 2 dark areas over a bright background.

This is btw, the same film that proponents say shows the "beamship" in 2 different areas after a "jump".

Going frame by frame shows a double exposed dual frame, where the single exposed frame is lighter, and shows the double effect. The answer? The camera was stopped and the model moved, then restarted. In the frame where 2 "craft" are seen, the underexposure is readily evident by virtue of double exposure. It's an often encountered problem while trying to do stop motion.

Meier has a few examples of this, the most hysterical is the one showing a beamship "jump away". Before it exits, a tree branch is blowing...as it leaves, the tree branch stops moving on a dime. Again, the underexposure (lighter) frames are readily seen.

I'm at work so I have to keep it short, but I hope that explains it.

[edit on 19-8-2008 by jritzmann]

But i am not getting why people are not ready to take facts taht beally got real stuff ??? or it just over minds are not ready to take that we are not all alone .......

Believers aren't going to like me for this but have a look here:

forgetomori.com...

and here:

thebiggestsecret.online.fr...

Most of his photos are ridiculous.. he is generally considered a proven fraud... although some of his photos do look authentic but to do something like the photo above... if you are serious about these kinds of things then you have to discredit his whole story because of this....

I know you want to believe him elliotuk but my advice is to let it go and look for more credible sources...

[edit on 20-8-2008 by PsyBreaker]

If Billy Meier was genuinely contacted by aliens, and I still think that is possible, they obviously take great joy in making him look like a complete and utter fool.

And maybe that's what this case is really about: a cosmic practical joke, where beings from across the universe buzz our planet just to extol the virtues of Randian Objectivism and plastic rayguns.

[edit on 20-8-2008 by Eleleth]

[edit on 20-8-2008 by Azador]

Originally posted by Eleleth
If Billy Meier was genuinely contacted by aliens, and I still think that is possible,

Sorry Eleleth, I find that extremely hard to believe