Citizens Would Not Cooperate With A Draft Would They?

I do not know anyone who would cooperate with a draft if one was enacted. I'm beginning this thread because of another one on the same Above Politics Forum where someone states a draft is a necessary thing. Why on Earth would we need a draft for a war we know our President lied to get us tied to and into to begin with?

There have been countless news stories that are out that Bush lied about Intelligence information just to get us into Iraq, so why would any citizens in their right mind, or for that matter, their left mind, want to cooperate in a draft if one were enacted?

Are we as citizens that ignorant as to want to rush off to our deaths to perpetuate a lie for our country? I'm a student of history, especially war history, I've read, learned, and lived the Art of War all of My life, and as I have come to understand war, it is only good for population control through sending citizens off to the battle lines as cannon fodder, to kill other people of other countries where their politicians told them the same exact lies just through a different belief system, different set of religious beliefs, and a different flag they believe in.

Politicians get paid through legal bribery, or lobbying, which is a nice way of saying surrogate bribery in order to cause Foreign Policy shifts which get our country as well as others embroiled in yet another needless war, by enacting people through powerful control words like "patriotism", "freedom", and "democracy" to go off to their deaths willingly, in order to perpetuate the cycle of life and death faster so that no one has time to think about the consequences of their actions on Capitol Hill.

There is no need, nor real reason for a draft, other than to be forced, instead of willingly choosing, to go to a war we as citizens never wanted to begin with.

[edit on 7-8-2008 by SpartanKingLeonidas]

I will repeat my speculation from my deleted thread. The OP of that thread in question seems to have come out of the blue with that one and another about why would anyone want a revolution against the globalist agenda. It begs the question. What was the motivation for the post?

There is a concerted effort on the part of the administration to keep anyone from questioning the official story of their reasons for doing this war as well as a larger effort to conceal from plain sight the directly related globalist agenda.

My opinion is that this war was run in such a way to make Americans believe we need to give up our sovereignty to prevent another war inspired by lies and subterfuge by giving our military resources over to the global government. GW was just the fall guy to set up the reaction of Americans wanting to give up their war making power to the global government to prevent another unwarranted illegal war.

A war on terror is such a farce. You cant have a war against a tactic as Ron Paul rightly states. They want an endless war to replace the very profitable cold war. A new war that has a less defined enemy that can never be defeated and can be made up entirely by covert actions and faked video fictions by private intel services.

People had better wake up and smell the BS or this nation is done.

Originally posted by UFOTECH
They want an endless war to replace the very profitable cold war. A new war that has a less defined enemy that can never be defeated and can be made up entirely by covert actions and faked video fictions by private intel services.

People had better wake up and smell the BS or this nation is done.

I can only answer for what I think, not other people's thoughts, nor threads I know noting about.

But that's just the point, is it not, to have an enemy that is always there, and that can never be defeated, would mean and endless paycheck to those people in power. If you make up a reason for war, and can make enough people believe in the false propaganda that it's something that's needed, then you can make a paycheck that in unnending and a perpetual war, where the enemy is "supposedly" living right next to you, so in not trusting your neighbor, you never know who to trust ever again.

This is Divide and Conquer at it's simplest form.

If you make the populace believe that the next door neighbor could be a "terrorist", if you make the populace believe that someone in their family might be a "terrorist", if you make the populace believe that those most trusted of people are in fact, or could possibly be a "terrorist", then you have divided a nation against itself.

OOOhhh,..."terror, terror, terror" everywhere.

Right, and I have two buildings in New York City to sell you. You just have to look real hard to see them.

[edit on 7-8-2008 by SpartanKingLeonidas]

I agree with your conclusion of course so we concur. I think that the effort on the part of this administration is directed at setting up not just an open ended and endless war to replace the cold war that was closing but also to act in ways that were so horrific and despicable that Americans would end up voting for someone who was going to give over the US military power to the globalist control with the idea that the world body would act more responsibly than our rouge government.

It is a 2 part strategy I think that much like the moves on a chess board are more than a few steps ahead so that the strategy was concealed from most people who vote at least.

In the end the globalist will still go after the bogey man terrorist in an endless war but not attack nations, but only groups that worked against the globalist agenda. The world government will not work after all without a global bank and monetary system. That system will want to make an interest on the money they create and the Islamic groups will never go for that since they have strict beliefs against usury.

The efforts of BushCo to install oversight on all financial transactions and also set up hard wired spying systems into the global communications infrastructure will end up in the hands of the global government and work to consolidate the power at the very top on a permanent basis.

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I agree as well. To have a self-perpetuating cycle that creates a endless war, would make the paychecks constant, the budgets rise, and the need for Government more instead of less, if they believe the lies.

Government is only needed for the reason of running the country, not enslaving it through perpetual lies.

I am not ignorant. I see the problems with the administration and the government in general. But really waht do you expect people to do?

Draft dodge? I'd rather not spend my whole life running or in Canada.

Active resistance? Get killed or jailed instead of drafted? Drafted means maybe living to see my wife again.

Some sort of litigation battle/ class action suit? This is something I would be all for but I doubt would work or be feasible.

I am certainly against the draft and being drafted. But if I am drafted for the current administration I don't really see any option except going.

What do you propose people do to avoid or defy a draft?

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Draft dodge? Run to Canada? Nope and nope.

I see that people can make other choices though, like signing protest sheets, like marching on Washington D.C. in a peaceful and civil manner.

There are countless options other than dodging a baloney war, and running forever.

Cause of the second civil war. Or at least a contributing factor. Maybe that's what sets off WW3. HEARD IT HERE FIRST, PEOPLE!

Originally posted by Magnivea
Cause of the second civil war. Or at least a contributing factor. Maybe that's what sets off WW3. HEARD IT HERE FIRST, PEOPLE!

That has what to do with a draft? Your post leaves a lot to be wanting.

Listen, Ponch. I'm making a serious prediction here. It will happen. It will happen sometime between now and........ Sometime in the future.

Seriously though, draft riots occurred over the Civil War Draft. Why not now? According to Slothrup in another thread, we are all milkshake swilling, Big Mac craving video game nerds and bloggers.

Add to that the fact that we all know that nothing gets a WoW addict riled up like trying to separate them from their comp and fries for a tour of duty.

See where I'm going?

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Ponch?

The Paranormal Forum is where you make predictions, especially ones that are open to the point of disbelief.

I saw that thread, and it's his/her right to think what he/she wants.

I don't see a draft as a good thing, it's a way of forcing people to go against their beliefs.

Plain and simple.

I had a friend ask if I would join before I was drafted, I told her a draft isn't happening, and I'm not joining, period.

[edit on 8-8-2008 by SpartanKingLeonidas]

I tried to join after high school because I didn't want my JROTC to just go to waste, and with a 94 on my ASVAB I was looking at very good options with the Navy. I was turned down due to having 2 screws in my knee, and being severely flat-footed. I was told you could get a waiver for 1 thing, but not more than 1...so I look at it this way, they did not want me when I was able to go in, I seriously will not go this time, even if it means that I go to jail. They may change the rules from what they were in Vietnam for needing to draft people, but that will not change my mind because now I can barely walk around.

My opinion on the rest of the US taking the hook for a draft: half will go willingly, the other half will protest and fight. In the end, we all lose simply because we will have overlooked the entire point of being on this Earth.

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The only difference this time, between Vietnam and Iraq, will be the fact that you won't just be carted off to jail. You will be labeled as a "terrorist-collaborator" if you don't go along with the draft, from the patterns I'm seeing.

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yeah that's true, you'll be looked down on if you didn't go fight the phony wars. it would be a case of 'you're either with us or against us' on the country's own citizens, with 'us' referring to the government.

Originally posted by malganis
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yeah that's true, you'll be looked down on if you didn't go fight the phony wars. it would be a case of 'you're either with us or against us' on the country's own citizens, with 'us' referring to the government.

Yes, this is exactly the mentality that most people will have used against them.

A draft is not necessary, when the war was never necessary, correct?

Having served more than my fair share of time in the Military I can honestly say if a draft were inacted I would tell "them" to shove it.

Especially seeing as how this countries leadership is trying to destroy not only our reputation with the world but the United States in general, and in colaberation with other nations potentially the world as we know it.

There seems to be a mass lunacy taking root in Washington and no one is being spared.
Resistance is not a futile thing in my opinion and I have a family to consider so to some dodging a draft would seem illogical but if I stand against it then in my opinion once again Im standing against tyranny and will not submit to the insanity of laying down my life for fools with War on the brain.

Its not the draft Im dodging but rather the obvious destructive nature of this countries leadership. If it's war they want than they will probably get it here in these 50 states.

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I think the draft is only necessary if your country is actually under threat of being invaded or destroyed. Fighting a phony overseas invasion on false information is not a good reason for a draft.

Originally posted by SpartanKingLeonidas
I do not know anyone who would cooperate with a draft if one was enacted.

What are you going to do about it? Revolt? Your government is simply too powerful with the equipment and military it has control of to revolt against a draft.

Even if many people would try to revolt, Im sure these would soon be in place, in order to control the masses:





[edit on 9-8-2008 by Mdv2]

Originally posted by Mdv2

Originally posted by SpartanKingLeonidas
I do not know anyone who would cooperate with a draft if one was enacted.

What are you going to do about it? Revolt? Your government is simply too powerful with the equipment and military it has control of to revolt against a draft.

Even if many people would try to revolt, Im sure these would soon be in place, in order to control the masses:

[edit on 9-8-2008 by Mdv2]

I never said I was going to do anything about it, I was mentioning what I thought people might be thinking.

I know what I'm going to do, and I'm the only who does, and I'm keeping it that way.

Sonic weapons do not scare, intimidate, nor concern Me in the least.

And I for one am not saying you would revolt. I am asking you as you seem to suggest that you are of opinion the American people would not accept a draft.

However, it seems that if a government as powerful as the US government, forces you something, you have no choice other than marching as zombies to the battlefields.

Perhaps you are not afraid of these weapons, but it should be clear that they can be used to control populations, leaving little chance for a rebellion (which would not co-operating mean).