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Wow, I didn't know we were anywhere near this level in the world with cloning. Now they are apparantly cloning pets for their owners when they die, amazing!

I am glad that we are making such advances as a human race in a whole. The progress in this field I believe will eventually lead to cures to some of the worlds most deadliest diseases and birth defects.

However I constantly wonder that if you die and were cloned, would that clone have your past memories or would it be a copy of you only physically, whats your guys's thoughts on all of this?

a clone is a copy of the physical aspect of a human. its persona would still have to be developed naturally as "it" grew up. there would PROBABLY be no memories, and there is absolutely no guarantee it resulting persona would match the persona of the original.

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Hmm, okay thanks but I was wondering if maybe our memories are somehow contained in brain cells or nerve cells somehow that scientists do not yet know about. What do you think of that?

that would make sense. if memories can be considered data, that data has to be stored somewhere. but when cloning someone, i dont think the body (and brain) will develop in the scact same way as it did "the first time". there are just too many outside factors involved.

I don't want to sound loony or anything, but I actually contacted one of these pet cloning services a while back and asked if they could clone my pet iguana...interestingly enough...the official reply was that reptiles could not be cloned and have never been cloned.

Originally posted by laiguana
I don't want to sound loony or anything, but I actually contacted one of these pet cloning services a while back and asked if they could clone my pet iguana...interestingly enough...the official reply was that reptiles could not be cloned and have never been cloned.

Interesting, thanks for the input I'll have to dig into that to figure out why they can't be...I'm just still amazed theres actually a company out there doing this. It actually reminds me alot of the movie the 6th Day.

Originally posted by Mcloud313
Hmm, okay thanks but I was wondering if maybe our memories are somehow contained in brain cells or nerve cells somehow that scientists do not yet know about. What do you think of that?

There are theory’s which suggest memories are stored in DNA. It would make an interesting study as to the experiences of those who have had their pets cloned and whether they observed any similarity’s in their cloned pets personality and their original pet.

There are theories that one can inherit memories, habits, and behavior through heart and other transplants.
I'm not sure that applies to cloning.
The whole cloning your pet thing is a pretty scary thing though. It's like little baby stepping stones to cloning a human.
Farm animal - pet - human.

I've always wondered if cloning a human would be a means to immortality if it retains your memories and thoughts. Then I thought well for there a clone to be made of me I'd still have to die how strange is that if I remember dieing and am brought back into another body.

I think the new body would not be me because I have already died, but it would remember my death. So it wouldn't be a means to immortality but I can see people doing it. Creepy huh?

I think the cloning of humans should be limited to organs for people that become sick, and never be advanced to stages of cloning whole humans its just too creepy and sick.

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Well cloning is developing another person with an identical genetic code. Not like...putting you into one tube and having another you pop out of another.

As for human cloning...it scares me because of all of the spiritual and philosophical implications. But the possibilities of what can be done, medically are amazing...and terrifying.

I don't like it. The idea of cloning something that has died,that you once loved,is not letting go. That can't be a healthy way to greive. i've always thought that any dogs I have,who then pass on,do so because there's another dog out there who needs my home and love. To create more pets,just because you once loved them,is only adding to the ammount of unwanted and abused animals. As if you keep the "same one" for longer than was earthly possible,all the other abandoned pets just end up staying in kennels,and being put to sleep.

And whilst Frankenscience can go a long way to help us over come deseases and viri,this is blatent missuse. (IMO) I'd love to still have all me old my bowsers still bouncing around and laying on my bed at night,waking me up by standing over me and just barking stupidly into my face. But they're gone. # me I loved them,and I will always do so. But they moved over,cos their time was up,and others needed a good home. I think this cloning is quite ghastly.

Thats a good way to think about this particular service, I agree theres already far too many unwanted animals to be making more. However I am all for advances in the technology, my sister has Spinabifida and I believe cloning may lead to a cure for that as well as many other diseases and birth defects.

you do know that woman is a wanted criminal!

she keeps men as slaves for lets say physical purposes. dont believe me google it!

They have been cloning pets for years now.

There is a dark side though, and it may explain why the woman in question has 5 copies of her beloved dog. Cloning is not perfected and they can turnout copies that have problems, that die or probably euthanized/aborted for various reasons.

While in some weird way the idea of bringing back a version of that which I loved and lost and hold so dear would be wonderful, having those bad copies die or be destroyed is horrifying to say the least. Plus I believe cloned animals also have other problems and maynot have a normal life expectancy (Dolly died young).

I do believe genetics plays a large part in personality, so I expect the cloned animals would be similar to the original particularly if a similar upbringing was available. But that comes down to nurture vs nature and people love to disagree on that topic.

I think that is one of the reasons they worry about human cloning, what do ya do with the versions that are mutated in some way?

Cloning is usually done by nuclear transfer, as far as I know. It involves removing the DNA from an unfertilized egg and injecting the nucleus which contains the DNA to be cloned.

This means for the new born clone to have the memories, behaviours, etc. of the original, all that information would have to be held within the nucleus of that cell, which I think is usually taken from the liver because of its regenerative properties. That last part is very possibly false, though, because my memory on it is a little cloudy.

While genetic traits are obviously transferred, things like memories probably aren't as they are a function of the brain rather than the nucleus of a cell. A child doesn't retain the knowledge and memories of either parent in natural child birth, so it is unlikely that a clone would.

I think the interesting thing about cloning pets is that they won't have the same coat pattern. Things like spot and patch patterns on animals are determined completely at random from a set of factors that slips my mind right now. I have a DVD on this subject at home, I may be able to find out the technical aspects of it when I get home from work and modify my post then.


I am very interested in the idea of preserving memories, though. If we were to clone a brain, it would have to be done through a different process than regular cloning, I think. It'd have to be done through a process similar to how a salamander can regenerate limbs. You'd have to take a piece of brain out and induce a regenerative response in its cells somehow. This is the DVD I have, it's from the Howard Hughes Medical Institute. You can get a ton of educational DVDs from their website absolutely free, no shipping charge either. I got about 10 or so in the mail the other month, it's awesome.

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does anyone know how much this would cost for lets say my dog or my cat? if the can get it down to around 2-5,000 dollars then it might be more realistic for me

Originally posted by truthseekerpeacemaker
does anyone know how much this would cost for lets say my dog or my cat? if the can get it down to around 2-5,000 dollars then it might be more realistic for me

Cats were $50,000 a pop a while back, it was a california company that has since gone out of business.

I think the only country that is cloning dogs right now is Korea (or one of those countries thereabouts). Did you read what I wrote about "mistakes" and snuffing out clones that weren't perfect? I can't imagine creating clone puppies or kittens of a beloved dead pet in some lab in Korea and having them experiment on or snuff out the ones that they couldn't sell.

That is horrible to say the least!

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I do not see a problem with cloning pets. I am against cloning of food animals. One thing that I see as a definite possibility is that cloning of animals will give us greater understanding of how much of behavior is controlled by genetics, and how much is controlled by environment.

Cloning animals for food is rather silly anyways. It's much more expensive than just breeding your animals, and you end up with the exact same animal. If you have a cow that gives really good milk and you mate it with a good bull, you run the chances of getting a cow that produces milk even better, rather than the same.

We've been doing this sort of thing for a long time now in more than just food producing animals. Banana's, corn, dogs, all have been genetically manipulated by selective breeding over the centuries.


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