The North Side Flyover - Officially Documented, Independently Confirmed

It looks like you did an amazing amount of work, and your dedication is commendable.

I have a question, though, and I mean it sincerely and not in a sarcastic way, it's just that I haven't ever found a clear answer.

What happened to Flight 77 and all the people on it if it didn't crash into the Pentagon?

I will probably get flamed for asking this, but it sounds like you have a lot of new information and I just wanted to know if there is a theory or anything.

Thanks!

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I would like to know more about the blue tent. What are they doing with it? What was it meant to cover, etc...

All of your evidence confirms deception, but why would this be necessary? What is the truth that needed to be hidden? If it wasn't the AA flight or plane, what happened to it?

I have read much about the Twin Towers and have seen enough evidence to believe that the planes did not cause the buildings to collapse. If our government (or some group in it) caused this tragedy, what did they achieve and why? The thought that Americans could do this to their own people is heartbreaking.

OK, this really resolves the two contradictory ideas on the blogs about what happened for me.

When I saw those frames the Pentagon released, and this vapor trail in the animated explosion. I cannot see any possible way that is a 747 or larger craft. Yet from eyewitnesses, it is clear that a large craft at least flew towards the building.

Eyewitness testimony is squirrelly at best -- but kudos for placing the people at a location where they were witnesses. You CAN KNOW what a person is capable of seeing from a particular vantage point, and rule out what they cannot know. That came in handy for debunking a lot of the government theory witnesses.

The idea of a fly-over, and a second device makes a lot of sense and dovetails nicely with the photographic evidence -- which NEVER proves a large plane in my mind, and the witnesses, who only see a large plane. No wonder they had to confiscate all the video and destroy radar tapes after the event -- these would probably have shown the plane to pass over the pentagon at a low altitude, and fly away. When nobody is expecting this 5 second event out of their day, and it ends with an explosion and a quick response to push the "official story" quickly afterward can fix the memory pretty easily that people saw a plane go into a building.

Thanks for this. I've shied away from the Pentagon stuff because until now, there was too little proof of anything.

Looking at all those people, lifting that blue-tarp/tent with one hand. I can't imagine there is even an engine in there. Yeah, it does look like it's empty underneath, but someone could claim that there was a structure over the engine. But why? Why was there a tarp at all and how did a large aircraft get moved so that nobody could see actual parts? Why even bother covering it up?

The only reason to cover things up is to hide guilt at a crime scene.

Yes i would also like to know what happened to the plane...you have all these witnesses saying they saw it,but on a different course to the official story,it didnt crash....so where did it go? Assuming it was a bomb,missile etc that hit the pentagon..How did the plane get out of the area quick enough for people not to see it in the sky still after the explosion?

Originally posted by emsed1


What happened to Flight 77 and all the people on it if it didn't crash into the Pentagon?

That is a FANTASTIC and rather obvious question.

Of course the fact is that no citizen investigator can possibly know the answer but the evidence proves their fate was not at the Pentagon.

Please help us put pressure on the authorities do demand they tell us what really happened to them.

What a great read. Like many others I found that the pentagon 'story' needed some firm answers or at least more investigation like the twin towers received. I have seen much evidence and speculation regarding that there was no plane, but this is one step further.
Hats off to you for taking the time and effort to go door to door and then by collating and analyzing what you found to come to an informed answer.

This type of investigative journalism with the structure and and lay out in which you have provided and presented is clearly the way to go. No stone left unturned and well thought out.

It was extremely interesting to see the tent picture and hear accounts from actual eye witnesses. So much more has been brought to light or rather shone a light on the lies.

Well done in what is obviously a tricky and sensitive topic.

Peace

Originally posted by Aislin
reply to post by Craig Ranke CIT

 

I would like to know more about the blue tent. What are they doing with it? What was it meant to cover, etc...

The blue tent was one of many that was used during the recovery/rebuilding efforts that went on for months.




There is nothing suspicious about them at all.

They are evidence of nothing.

Well this is one of the best thread I have seen on ATS by far. Outstanding honestly... To bad it will be forgotten within one week since the so called debunkers wont touch it and there is not much to discuss about it except to praise your work. Job well done, I don't know why you give so much effort on 911 anymore since ppl do not care any longer, they won and there is nothing we can do about it.

What about this image?

It looks like a piece of an American Airlines plane, but I am not sure if any critical analysis has been done to it.

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The evidence proves it was planted to deceive people into believing that an AA jet hit the building.

Never forget....we went to talk to the witnesses to find out what happened BECAUSE of the suspicious lack of debris and anomalous physical damage.

The witnesses prove why all of that is so fishy.

Originally posted by piacenza
Job well done, I don't know why you give so much effort on 911 anymore since ppl do not care any longer, they won and there is nothing we can do about it.

Thank you piacenza but PLEASE don't give up hope.

This evidence IS hope.

They have only won if you concede defeat.

Refuse defeat and take this evidence to the media and authorities.

Force a response and hold them accountable.

This is not a theory.

This is proof.

They can't ignore it if we don't let them.

[edit on 6-8-2008 by Craig Ranke CIT]

This is a fantistic amount or work, kudos go out to all involved.
Now this really opens a new can of worms.
Where did the plane go?
Where did all those passengers go? Concentration camp with all rights removed, or killed.
How can a flyover happen without a lot of people seeing the plane go in a different direction?
A big explosion is a distraction but still.
When I saw this on TV after a day of so I thought where is all the wreckage, engines, tail, wings, etc. They don't melt and those are very big parts. That didn't add up even then.
They would have to tell a LOT of people to shut up or die. Like Roswell.

All in all great piece of work on putting this together.

Originally posted by Craig Ranke CIT
reply to post by emsed1

 

The evidence proves it was planted to deceive people into believing that an AA jet hit the building.

Never forget....we went to talk to the witnesses to find out what happened BECAUSE of the suspicious lack of debris and anomalous physical damage.

The witnesses prove why all of that is so fishy.

But respectfully it seems that is a real piece of a real AA jet on the ground.

Where did it come from? Who planted it?

And why?

Thanks!

absolutley phenomonal, excellent presentation and solid evidence, I wish that everyone in the world could read what you have written then perhaps people will understand that life isnt what we think it is!

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Think of it like this emsed1.....

Once there is evidence proving the official story false it implicates an extremely complex psychological black operation on a global scale.

It is impossible for any citizen investigator to answer all of the questions as to exactly how or who nor do we need to.

It is not our responsibility to answer these questions.

This is why we must demand congressional inquiries on a much deeper level.

We found the smoking gun proving their story false, we scientifically validated it more than 13 times over, so now we must demand investigations/inquiries/grand juries to get all of the questions that you and everyone else has answered.

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Well done Craig. It seems obvious to any critical thinker that has not been brainwashed by the media that the 9-11 jet did not hit the Pentagon and did not hit the ground at Shanksville. I am compelled to summarize a bit here.
1. No bodies,not one. No evidence of a jet at all in either case. We are to believe that 2 turbo-fan engines constructed of aviation grade STEEL and TITANIUM and weighed 6 tons apeice simply vaporized,but DNA evidence did not? The coroner in Shanksville stated that he saw no bodies and 'not one drop of blood'. But DNA helped to identify the victims?
2. Comparison of similar crash sites revealed that the outcome of both the Pentagon crash and Shanksville are simply not feasible as many,many aspects of these incidents defy the laws of physics.
3. If the people on board these aircraft were still alive later then it is obvious that they were executed afterwards in order to silence them. This is almost more frightening than the crashes themselves. Imagine if you will, these people being executed one-by-one after surviving the most terrible ordeal of their lives.
It is time that the people responsible were held accountable. PERIOD.

[edit on 6-8-2008 by spookjr]

Originally posted by Craig Ranke CIT
reply to post by emsed1

 

Think of it like this emsed1.....

Once there is evidence proving the official story false it implicates an extremely complex psychological black operation on a global scale.

It is impossible for any citizen investigator to answer all of the questions as to exactly how or who nor do we need to.

It is not our responsibility to answer these questions.

This is why we must demand congressional inquiries on a much deeper level.

We found the smoking gun proving their story false, we scientifically validated it more than 13 times over, so now we must demand investigations/inquiries/grand juries to get all of the questions that you and everyone else has answered.

I understand your opinion, but you titled the thread "Officially Documented, Independently Confirmed" but it all seems like a collection of street interviews and conjectural drawings.

What is the smoking gun?

Where did the airplane go?

Who put that piece of airplane in the picture?

Why is it being faked?

I understand you have put an incredible amount of work into this, but surely you can't think that you can state something as fact (on ATS especially) and offer personal anecdotes and handmade drawings as proof.

Again, I am not slamming you but do you have an opinion as to these questions?

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Craig, your investigation is obviously top-notch. I think the next step is to find witnesses on the other side of the Pentagon to figure out the flight path after the plane flew over the building.

WOW! You put a lot of hard work into this and it shows. Thank you, I havent been able to read it all yet, but what I did read was wonderful. I hope something comes out this. Star and Flag for you!!!!

Originally posted by emsed1


I understand your opinion, but you titled the thread "Officially Documented, Independently Confirmed" but it all seems like a collection of street interviews and conjectural drawings.

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I understand you have put an incredible amount of work into this, but surely you can't think that you can state something as fact (on ATS especially) and offer personal anecdotes and handmade drawings as proof.

Ok now I know that have not read the OP thoroughly or viewed the video taped evidence. If you did you would know what I mean by "officially documented".


Please do so and feel free to discuss the evidence presented.