Obama says if Americans inflated their tires properly we would save oil!

Originally posted by WhatTheory

Originally posted by Krieger
OBAMA'S PLAN= 800,000 BARRELS A DAY STARTING TODAY
MCBUSH'S PLAN= 200,000 BARRELS A DAY STARTING 20 YEARS FROM NOW!

So, who's plan is better?

I already proved your numbers incorrect and destroyed your entire premise, yet you keep spewing the same falsehoods. Why?

I asked you to provide links to prove your statements about how McCain and those governors you listed agree with Obama's energy plan and again you refuse to answer.

So please move along if you want to have a discussion with the adults if you are going to ignore evidence which refutes your propaganda.

What Theory:
Multiple posters have provided you with links for your various inquiries, and each and every time you've ignored them.

Your "source" consisted of a Shell Oil executive being interviewed by a somewhat unconvinced Newsweek columnist. I hardly think you are in any position to point fingers.

Now onto the biggest issue here:
This thread has been a shell game from the very beginning. A positive Time article was given a sensationalized title by the OP to presumably skew it's meaning to fit his/her opinion. So instead of thoughtful discussion, this is breaking down into a juvenile Jingoistic muscle flexing competition which I think is largely due to the tone of the original post.

Originally posted by round_eyed_dog
What Theory:
Multiple posters have provided you with links for your various inquiries, and each and every time you've ignored them.

Huh?
Those links have nothing to do with the questions I asked. Also, I did not ignore them. In my last post, I mentioned the useless links.

Perhaps you need to go back in your TARDIS and read some posts instead of having 'knee-jerk' motions like Davros from the classic series.

Originally posted by WhatTheory

Originally posted by round_eyed_dog
What Theory:
Multiple posters have provided you with links for your various inquiries, and each and every time you've ignored them.

Huh?
Those links have nothing to do with the questions I asked. Also, I did not ignore them. In my last post, I mentioned the useless links.

Perhaps you need to go back in your TARDIS and read some posts instead of having 'knee-jerk' motions like Davros from the classic series.

First of all, Davros's knees are not functional as his life support vessel sustains his withered body. So Davros is hardly able to have any "knee jerking" movements.

Anyway, what's knee jerk about anything I've said? Can I have an example?

I am well aware what others have posted and have read what you posted.

Any comments about your source? No?

Your methods, like your Who knowledge, leave much to be desired.

[edit on 9-8-2008 by round_eyed_dog]

reply to post by Digital_Reality


My baloney has a first name, it's B...A...R...A...K.

My baloney has a second name, it's O...B...A...M...A.

What a typical political runaround answer that was for him to give.

He's sure good at saying absolutely nothing, isn't he?

I know where he can shove his tire pressure gauge, and it sure isn't in his ear.

No, I'm not a Republican, just so you know, I just see through political crap when I see it.

As What Theory has ignored EVERY LINK PROVING OBAMA RIGHT I'll just give up on him. He's a Neocon, so unless Fox Noise comes out supporting it he'll drive around with flat tires and bleach in his oil pan just to spite Obama's plan.

Sad though, even with McCain's support and Bush's own Energy Department he is so partisan he refuses to admit he's wrong and Obama is right.

Cause you know, a Neocon with no evidence knows more then the Energy Dept. NASCAR, McCain, Crist, Ah-Nold, Obama, and every one else.

As an Aussie watching the US election circus from afar... I am amazed at how passionately you guys either love or hate the opposing candidates. No wonder the odd President gets shot now and then. I have no opinion either way about any candidate in the US so here goes...
Obama is quite correct about better serviced cars on correctly inflated tyres being better for fuel ecomomy. How can you hate him so much as to actually make a thread about this? It's insane. I'm sure if you asked the other candidates if these measures would help fuel ecomomy that they would agree too if they know anything about cars... so why get your knickers in a twist over this? Some people seem to look for the most ridiculous ways to argue over politics.
Good luck with the election folks! Remember though... all the candidates, no matter what party etc are probably fairly decent people.

reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas


Well, Spartan....just an observation of my own, for a moment.

All politicians spew 'politics' out of their pieholes. The difference, in my mind is....between the ones who outright LIE, and the once who parse sentences, for political expediency.

The question here is, indeed, about saving a few MPG by proper automobile maintenance. THIS is not a joke, as the McCain camp have tried to make it....again, they step on their own Johnsons, since the record shows that the Republican side have said this for years.

A tempest in a teapot.

The dirty, dirty politics, especially in adverts....THAT is a true sign of character. There is a recent McCain ad, off-topic, but having to do with Obama's voting record, and it is an out-and-out lie. But, it uses that "T" word, so it's trying to deflect attention. Right out of McCain's piehole saying "I approve this message".

A little more off-topic...Obama was not my choice, from the phalanx of contenders....neither was Ms. Bill Clinton for that matter. Wes Clark would have been fantastic, and unbeatable, from what I know. But, could be wrong, and it don't matter much now, do it?

We have two choices, this cycle. A doddering old fool, 'Mr. Crankypants', or a young vibrant smooth-talker with the gift of gab.

Not to dismiss McCain's service in the Military, though there is some question about his behavior whilst a POW (sorry, third off-topic point).

Just for the sake of our World image, I'll stick with the ethnic guy, even if I cross my fingers while voting.....

reply to post by weedwhacker


For Barack Obama to state that "if every American were to properly inflate" in order to be cost effective, is as ridicoulous as the people who state "if you only recycled your newspapers, we'd save an national forest" since the paper for those newspapers is sitting in some warehouse, already processed days, weeks, and month in advance.

If we as consumers were to stop listening to politicians lies, as well as corporations marketing strategies and think for a moment, before you buy into the collective B.S. for once, the world might be a better place.

The lesser of two evils, as your post is suggesting, is still evil.

Stupid is as stupid does.

One bird in hand is better that two in the bush.

There are stupid catch-phrases for almost every situation, even "if you inflate all your tires, it will solve the oil situation" fits into the stupid catch-phrase of the day now.

If only the politicians could wean themselves off of the lobbyists money, you know, legal political bribery, or surrogate bribery, the country as well as the world might be a better place, and not just a damn Nike "Just Do It" commerical.

It's a consumer run world, and the marketing guru's and corporations know it, hence why they buy the politicians votes. It's called "lobbying" which is the pretty name politicians branded "political bribery", or "surrogate bribery" in order to make it more official and legal sounding.

Everyone should have been raised to know proper tire inflation, checking your oil, and changing your spark plugs wil make your gas guzzling vehicle of choice run better, that's called preventative maintenance, but for Barack Obama to suggest it would save enough oil to stop $70 or more from hurting us at the gas pump, is only slight of hand and subtle suggestion that we are the problem, not those who wield the power to actually make the costs go down.

Let's see, last time I checked, I only control where I stop to get gas, how I drive, and actually opening the gas tank and inserting the nozzle, oh and properly inflating the tires, so I know it's not Me.

I keep an eye on the gas stations, and find the cheapest one of the day, and top it off, and the next time I need gas, I do the same again, and it's usually a different store.

I don't do brand loyalty to gas companies, never have, and never will.

Just like I don't do political brand loyalty, never have, never will.

I'm registered as an "Independant" for a reason.


[edit on 9-8-2008 by SpartanKingLeonidas]

reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas


I appreciate your opinion....it's just, Gov. Crist of Fla (R) said the basic same thing, just a while ago. NHTSA says it....other Repubs say it....

reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas


Except Obama's plan works. Just ask John McCain, NASCAR, Florida Gov Crist, Bush's Energy Department, AAA, so forth. To compare something that not only works but is reasonable to some "talking point" is BS.

And hell, if only one quarter of the country did it guess what? That would be 200,000 barrels a day, STARTING TODAY! As opposed to 20 years from now when oil won't be the major energy source.

Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas

 

I appreciate your opinion....it's just, Gov. Crist of Fla (R) said the basic same thing, just a while ago. NHTSA says it....other Repubs say it....

I know. All the politicians say what they need to say, to appease the public.

It's all about the demographics and sound-bites, and who might have a slip of the tongue in the wrong place in front of the wrong person.

Politicians wouldn't want to accidently piss off one demographic over another, unless the one they're pissing off is less likely to vote for them and or not hold as much political funding and backing for them.

Got Tire Pressure Gauge?

I'm never going to forget that as long as I live.

You know, if everyone were to buy a tire pressure gauge, and send it to the White House, when and if Barack Obama were to get elected, when we're hurting at the gas pumps again, I bet he'd get the message.

Question is, would it send the message that we're not buying his baloney, or we think he's full of hot air?

[edit on 9-8-2008 by SpartanKingLeonidas]

But its not baloney and its not hot air. His plan works.

Why is McBush's plan of spending trillions to invade Iran so loved but Obama's very simple and effective plan laughed at?

reply to post by Krieger


Hello? NASCAR is one of those events bought and paid for by corporate sponsors, like CITGO, Shell, BP, Coca-Cola, Winton-Salem, they're going to say almost anything and everything to keep their corporate sponsors coming back.

The same thing goes for Crist, the difference between a Politician and a Stock Car, is the Politician only looks slimey and oily on the surface, whereas the Stock Car is slimey and oil beneath the surface.

Oh yeah, the Politicians don't have huge stickers all over their jackets, just in their wallets when they vote to pass a Bill.

Barack Obama, is just another corporate puppet, bought and paid for, and I'm wondering which oil company he represents verses what Bush has represented, or which McCain represents.

Again, while it's a really nice idea, that to properly inflate our tires will miracoulously save us at the the pump, everyone should have read the owners manual of their car to know that, and for someone to believe something so trivial and silly like that is purely naivete in motion.

[edit on 9-8-2008 by SpartanKingLeonidas]

Originally posted by Krieger
But its not baloney and its not hot air. His plan works.

Why is McBush's plan of spending trillions to invade Iran so loved but Obama's very simple and effective plan laughed at?

We're spending $12 Billion a month over in Iraq, something I'm not asking for, nor wanting.

Barack Obama knows how to utilize a good talking point, nothing more, nothing less.

[edit on 9-8-2008 by SpartanKingLeonidas]

reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas


Again, your "opinion"(not really yours but Fox Noises) vs NASCAR, Bush own Energy Department, AAA, Crist, McCain, everyone, you lose.

And those 800,000 barrels a day starting today only counts for AMerica. If the world followed it? Hell if only 5% of the world did it we'd save millions of barrels a day.

So again, your/Fox Noise's opinion vs reality... You lose.

Obama's plan works. The experts agree. Only the most rabid anti-anything Obama disagree.

reply to post by Krieger


Okay, you've seriously mis-spoke there, to believe I believe anything Fox has to say, and I'm not an "Obama-hater" either.

I can stand any politician, period. They're all professional liars.

I know politics inside out and upside down, it's not an merely an opinion.



[edit on 9-8-2008 by SpartanKingLeonidas]

reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas


So you're saying you're just that Anti Obama? You don't need Fox Noise to feed you BS you make your own? Wow.

Anyways,

OBAMA'S PLAN=800,000 BARRELS A DAY STARTING TODAY
MCBUSH'S PLAN=200,000 BARRELS A DAY STARTING 20 YEARS FROM NOW WHEN OIL WON'T BE THE MAJOR FUEL SOURCE.

Originally posted by Krieger
reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas

 

So you're saying you're just that Anti Obama? You don't need Fox Noise to feed you BS you make your own? Wow.

Anyways,

OBAMA'S PLAN=800,000 BARRELS A DAY STARTING TODAY
MCBUSH'S PLAN=200,000 BARRELS A DAY STARTING 20 YEARS FROM NOW WHEN OIL WON'T BE THE MAJOR FUEL SOURCE.

As I stated previously, Krieger, I don't like any politician, so don't misquote what I said.

Nothing is more simple as a tire gauge resolving an issue which is easily sidestepped.

A tire gauge is not going to resolve our nations dependancy on overseas oil.

Originally posted by SpartanKingLeonidas

Originally posted by Krieger
reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas

 

A tire gauge is not going to resolve our nations dependancy on overseas oil.

Then its a good thing that isn't Obama's Plan.

Obama's Plan is first of course very simple and helps now. Tire pressure and engine tune ups.

He ALSO will crackdown on speculators, eliminate the Enron Loophole, force oil companies to drill on lands they lease or give up those leases so a company who will drill can have them, push for Hydrocell, Solar, Hybrid, and electrical cars. Solar, wind, and nuclear energy to replace coal and natural gas.

But his first plan is like 2+2=4. Only people like you who are so Anti Obama will steal math books to change them to say 2+2=3.

reply to post by Krieger


I'm assuming you made a mistake there with the quote tags, since I know I only said one sentence in all that.

You can edit your posts, within a certain time frame.



As Obama stated there, one person asked what they can do to help, and he responded to them use a tire guage and properly inflate their tires.

While that's a novel concept, it's not going to resolve the issues as a nation that need to be fixed.

Wow, you're so "Pro-Obama", that anyone who actually knows how to think for themselves is automatically the enemy.

To suggest that I would steal math books to change the numbers, suggests that I'm a dishonest person, so it seems you're taking this down to a personal level.

Are you really going to get personal in here on something so silly as a tire gauge?

Again, I've stated previously, and I'll state it again, I can not stand any politician.

Math books should be printed correctly, not edited by politicians.

*No Math Books Were Erased And Re-Written For The Posting Of This Topic*



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