There Is Going To Be An i-9/11 And An i-Patriot Act

There Is Going To Be An i-9/11 And An i-Patriot Act

www.infowars.net

Amazing revelations have emerged concerning already existing government plans to overhaul the way the internet functions in order to apply much greater restrictions and control over the web.

(visit the link for the full news article)

Let's hope for our sake that this WILL NOT HAPPEN. Our rights have been slaughtered enough.



www.infowars.net
(visit the link for the full news article)

Well thank God Alex Jones is on the case and will save us.

I am so happy this made it into the Breaking News thread because there sure is a lot of factual information there.

With news like this, who needs propaganda?

reply to post by emsed1


I thought you were a huge Alex Jones fan!
I am not sure what to think of you now.

Just so we're clear, here is the text of the HR 4279 bill that AJ quotes in the article:

(a) Purpose- The objectives of the Joint Strategic Plan against counterfeiting and piracy that is referred to in section 301(c)(1)(A) (in this section referred to as the `joint strategic plan') are the following:

(1) Reducing counterfeit and pirated goods in the domestic and international supply chain.

(2) Identifying and addressing structural weaknesses, systemic flaws, or other unjustified impediments to effective enforcement action against the financing, production, trafficking, or sale of counterfeit or pirated goods.

(3) Assuring that information is identified and shared among the relevant departments and agencies, to the extent permitted by law and consistent with law enforcement protocols for handling information, to aid in the objective of arresting and prosecuting individuals and entities that are knowingly involved in the financing, production, trafficking, or sale of counterfeit or pirated goods.

(4) Disrupting and eliminating domestic and international counterfeiting and piracy networks.

(5) Strengthening the capacity of other countries to protect and enforce intellectual property rights, and reducing the number of countries that fail to enforce laws preventing the financing, production, trafficking, and sale of counterfeit and pirated goods.

(6) Working with other countries to establish international standards and policies for the effective protection and enforcement of intellectual property rights.

(7) Protecting intellectual property rights overseas by--

(A) working with other countries to ensure that such countries--

(i) have adequate and effective laws protecting copyrights, trademarks, patents, and other forms of intellectual property;

(ii) have legal regimes that enforce their own domestic intellectual property laws, eliminate counterfeit and piracy operations, and arrest and prosecute those who commit intellectual property crimes;

(iii) provide their law enforcement officials with the authority to seize, inspect, and destroy pirated and counterfeit goods, including at ports of entry; and

(iv) provide for the seizure of property used to produce pirated and counterfeit goods;

(B) exchanging information with appropriate law enforcement agencies in other countries relating to individuals and entities involved in the financing, production, trafficking, or sale of pirated or counterfeit goods;

(C) using the information described in subparagraph (B) to conduct enforcement activities in cooperation with appropriate law enforcement agencies in other countries; and

(D) building a formal process for consulting with companies, industry associations, labor unions, and other interested groups in other countries with respect to intellectual property enforcement.

I guess they forgot to put the part about a virtual '911' and 'iPat' in there.

reply to post by emsed1




You wreak of sarcasm...

Originally posted by network dude
reply to post by emsed1

 

I thought you were a huge Alex Jones fan!
I am not sure what to think of you now.

I love Alex Jones whenever he starts the 'crazy talk' about something I agree with.

We have a lot in common, I think.

I am pretty sure he likes girls too.

Originally posted by Tapped In
reply to post by emsed1

 

You wreak of sarcasm...

HAHA!

That's MUCH nicer than what my wife said about me this morning. In fact I think if I repeated it I would probably get a T&C violation!

Originally posted by emsed1

Originally posted by network dude
reply to post by emsed1

 

[quote/]I love Alex Jones whenever he starts the 'crazy talk' about something I agree with.

We have a lot in common, I think.

I am pretty sure he likes girls too.

I have listened to him before. Not a long time listener but occasionaly. I have to agree with you. Sometimes its very informative. Sometimes I need Tylenol after the show!!!

Zindo

I don't profess to be a technology whiz, but even if Uncle Sam decided to drop an e-patriot act to ruin the internet, wouldn't we still be able to connect through "underground" isp's and possibly international isp's to the good old unfiltered version?

I mean, the American government can't stop the internet. No one can. All anyone could really do would be to ban the hardware that connects to the existing internet, shut down servers on American soil (the ones they can find), and tightly control all of the isp's and what they offer.

Hackers and Pirates always seem to be two steps ahead of the government/corporations, so it would be only a matter of time before the "black internet" comes about.

Originally posted by drwizardphd
I don't profess to be a technology whiz, but even if Uncle Sam decided to drop an e-patriot act to ruin the internet, wouldn't we still be able to connect through "underground" isp's and possibly international isp's to the good old unfiltered version?

I mean, the American government can't stop the internet. No one can. All anyone could really do would be to ban the hardware that connects to the existing internet, shut down servers on American soil (the ones they can find), and tightly control all of the isp's and what they offer.

Hackers and Pirates always seem to be two steps ahead of the government/corporations, so it would be only a matter of time before the "black internet" comes about.

I think that's the beauty of the internet. Even in places like China where they crack down there is still a way to get through.

Right now a lot of it is dependent on geography or being able to physically access the network.

Just imagine, though, if a group were able to gather up enough money to launch a private internet 'node' into space aboard a satellite.

Government might be able to cut wires or filter transmissions but the thought of being able to just point an antenna at the sky opens up a whole new world of possibilities.

I just don't think that any one entity will be able to shut the internet down.

I guess they forgot to put the part about a virtual '911' and 'iPat' in there.

Maybe you didn't red the article?

It said that this legislation, HR 4279 , was already submitted, but it was not the ``i-patriot act`` that would be forced after an i-911. It's something that we do not have the text of yet.

And I agree that internet is hard to restrict, but if they switch us all to Internet 2, they can govern it like a ``private website`` like Facebook, and if the info you post isn't allowed, it's deleted as it would be in facebook if you post for example porn.

[edit on 5-8-2008 by Vitchilo]

Is the I-Patriot Act a stretch of interstate highway leading into NYC where homeland security stops you every 20 miles to taze you, rummage through your car without a warrant and give you a mandatory cavity search?

I take it none of you are familiar with the PNAC's report titled "Rebuilding America's Defenses". If you had, you would have been calling this 6 years ago like I was.

Seriously, it's a long, slow read, but if anyone thinks the events of today are not going exactly as planned, they need to look at that document. It's more or less a timeline of events.

Originally posted by Vitchilo

I guess they forgot to put the part about a virtual '911' and 'iPat' in there.

Maybe you didn't red the article?

It said that this legislation, HR 4279 , was already submitted, but it was not the ``i-patriot act`` that would be forced after an i-911. It's something that we do not have the text of yet.

And I agree that internet is hard to restrict, but if they switch us all to Internet 2, they can govern it like a ``private website`` like Facebook, and if the info you post isn't allowed, it's deleted as it would be in facebook if you post for example porn.

[edit on 5-8-2008 by Vitchilo]

I don't think you understand what Internet2 is.

Internet2 already exists and it's not something 'they' want us 'switched' to. Internet2 is an incredibly fast network architecture and backbone that costs millions to use, which is why it is only accessible by university, government and large corporate users.

Much like 'internet1' it is not possible for one group to control its content or use.

The internet is like a hydra. You cut off one head and it grows another. It's not centralized and any point has nearly infinite connections to other points.

Even though your 'porn' might have been deleted by facebook or ats, it's still there somewhere.

Massive search engines that crawl and copy the network constantly ensure that almost nothing disappears completely. Which is good in some ways, but bad in others.

I think the point trying to be made, in typical over-the-top fashion, as Jones so loves, is that the "War on Piracy" is nothing but a front for other intentions. After all, piracy was around a long time before it exploded into what it is today. What was the primary motivator for the masses hopping on the pirate ship? Being overcharged for inferior products without any recourse except abstaining from entertainment. First with the music industry, and later with movies. These industries feel they have the right to set prices that ignore market forces, and are now trying to use this out of control power-grab to gain so much control over the entertainment market that they can have monopoly powers, basically. What is needed to correct the issue is superior products at fair market prices. (If you want a good example, look up the top selling PC games for the past couple of years...piracy certainly didn't hurt their sales. Why? Because they were worth their asking price.)

So, given that, in terms of the industries these laws are attempting to protect, it is nothing but a power grab so as to escape market forces, why would world governments be so eager to climb on board? Easy. It's a perfect excuse to gain more power and control for themselves. Simple as that.

An i-9/11? We've already had that, extending from Napster to the Pirate Bay. It's just been a slower, more corporate "event," but an excuse for a power grab it most certainly is. And just as the event was slower, so too is the power grab, but in the name of "combating piracy," with perhaps a little terrorism thrown in, since it's so effective, more and more laws will be put forth to place greater and greater restrictions on the internet.

Of course, one other point to make. Just as with the Patriot Act, there is no great need for a grand conspiracy. Most lawmakers, and most people, for that matter, only ever address symptoms, and not their causes. 9/11, whomever you want to blame, was a result of misguided foreign policy. So instead of addressing that, the lawmakers (and the people who have backed them,) vote through more and more ways to find the entities that are carrying out the reaction, rather than addressing the cause. (Sort of like taking allergy medicine instead of eliminating the cause of the allergy.) Likewise, instead of telling the music and movie industries to suck it up and learn to adapt to a different marketplace, a marketplace where demand and the voice of the consumer have more power, many lawmakers will jump on the bandwagon to stop piracy, while never even giving a thought to cause of the current state of piracy. To quote one of the few decent programs on network television, "I don't have an anger problem, I have an idiot problem!" And so should you.

reply to post by emsed1


Text Beige it seems to me that all they are wanting to is stop piracy it looks like they are worried about the tax revenue they are lossing do to shareware.

I think we need to call a SuperHero!!

Steve Wozniak, to the rescue!!!

All computer geeks, UNITE! We can thwart the evil-doers!

Originally posted by drwizardphd
I don't profess to be a technology whiz, but even if Uncle Sam decided to drop an e-patriot act to ruin the internet, wouldn't we still be able to connect through "underground" isp's and possibly international isp's to the good old unfiltered version?

I mean, the American government can't stop the internet. No one can. All anyone could really do would be to ban the hardware that connects to the existing internet, shut down servers on American soil (the ones they can find), and tightly control all of the isp's and what they offer.

Hackers and Pirates always seem to be two steps ahead of the government/corporations, so it would be only a matter of time before the "black internet" comes about.

I agree with this, but I think the majority of people, myself included, dont really know how to go about doing that. anyone know how lol??

oops dp

[edit on 6-8-2008 by kyle6677]