The underlyin secrets of the universe another hidden "truth"

many threads and posts on ats sci/tech have been about string theory and the multiverse..... today i would like to pose the question If light ways indeed have a speed and our mind interperates the light when it reaches the eye then we are seeing the object fractions of a second after the time the light hit the object.... so if this is the case and we are only seeing the "microPast" then what is the objects actuall appearance.... if the observer determines the exsistance and someting exsists in all states until observed and we arent actually directly observing the object due to the "lag" of the photon then sdoesnt the object exist in all states at all times even when being "observed" and does this truth help validate universal holigraphy theory?

Why would the neural lag between the eye and the brain be evidence of any theory outside of neurology? I don't get your point.

its a question of quantum physics and the time it takes for the photon to reach your eye allow me to ellaborate since there is in fact a small delay from the time you look at something to the time when the photon reaches your eye and the object is observed, then does it not through the concept of the observer in fact exsist in all states (lets use doctor michio kakus tree analogy.... until the tree is observed it exsists in all possible configurations at the same time i.e. burned, broken, as fire wood, as toothpicks etc.etc) all the time even when your brain is telling you you are observing a solid object in this exact moment in time due to the fact that the observation of the object is actually an observation of one of its possible states at the moment the waves of light that you interperate as visiual observation were reflected to your eye

and is this evidence of holigraphy in the universe

I think I understand what your saying, but I doubt it's lag between the photon and the visual cortex. I understand it as all particles emit a wave of possibilites, every possibility they could be, they are, until observed, they are then what we expect them to be, the particle, or the amalgamation of particles to create an object we understand, say a chair.

Hologram is a term we coined, so to state that the universe is a hologram, is wrong as it is right. It's a matrix of light/energy that we percieve how we choose, you could call this a hologram, but I'd say a hologram is no where near complex enough to describe whats going on, you could call it billions of holograms all existing in the same space, and we percieve the one that makes sense to us.

Probably wrong, but by how far.

EMM

Uhm.. I think you are right, I never thought about it in the way you just described.

Since we only observe past states of objects, our observations cause the past to change because in quantum physics observation itself changes configutation? Your idea kicks ass :-D

Seriously though, trees don't change but a photon may. Neutrons or protons don't change either, so our trees propably stays as is.

I find this fascinating anyway

(edit: Our observation with eyes alone do not move any energy in or out of anything that we observe either, and that is how our observations in hi-end physics cause observed results to differ from what is actually observed. Therefore human observation without such movement of energy in or out of objects does not change anything at all. If our eyes would shoot out beams of energy into something to observe, THEN we would change properties of that object by observing.

There's this little thing people usually confuse themselves about. Micro- and macrophysics are two totally different things.

Hopefully somebody proves me wrong here, I would like this to be more fantastic. Seriously.)

[edit on 5/8/08 by rawsom]

here is the video that lead to me to post this question mind the concepts of the video not its conclusion thats a different thread all together

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hopefully this gives you a better idea of what im meaning enjoy



[edit on 5-8-2008 by constantwonder]

[edit on 5-8-2008 by constantwonder]

How is this for quantum weirdness?


"...several unforeseen problems;

It turned out that the system for monitoring and controlling particle discharge had to be wholly unmanned.

Even in proof of concept experiments, this was the case. It soon became apparent that we could not even have anyone in the same building who was aware of the nature of the experiments taking place. They in fact, had to leave the campus.

This anomaly persisted until we were made aware of the influence that we had over this experiment just by knowing about it and being in the vicinity of the tests.

We weren't even acting as an "observer," we were simply aware of the nature of the experiment.

We then concluded that such a system could only be possible if the "operational" controls were unmanned and the "pilots" completely unaware of the nature of the drive system they were using.

Such systems being highly complex and in need of constant re-adjustment and human attention, forced us to conclude that as a means of space travel, Humans aware of the nature of their engine would have to be at a minimum 1200 meters away from the device itself.

One earth, distances exceeding 400 meters would allow for the experiments to go ahead and the equipment to function as predicted.

This is was all hypothetical to a point, but nonetheless it was one of the conclusions drawn from this series of experiments.

Our hypothesis was not correct, but the observations and results were amazing. "

This is from a series of experiments done with monoatomic elements - in the 1970s....

It is for a Space-Only Propulsion system - which encases the monatomic chain within elongated "Buckey Balls" or Fullerenes, and further aligns them using plasma before 'compelling' them towards a 'point of infinite diversion' by way of several different technologies working in conjunction.

[edit on 7-8-2008 by TruthTellist]

I understand what you are saying.
Perhaps we are hyper dimensional entities using a quantum biological computer and machine to co-exist in the realm of matter. With consciousness folded into space time to account for the lag.
Or perhaps we are just monkeys, only we throw different types of poo at each other.