Aircraft?

reply to post by hardcoremusiclover


I saw the SAME THING last night at around 11:00pm est. Upstate NY around the Hudson Valley.

It was moving no more than 800-900 mph (east-west, then an abrupt change to the north) at an altitude of apprx 40k feet.

The craft looked like a diamond or a moving star that had no beacons.

As was said in some posts above, not all lights on a plane blink.

A plane's landing lights are bright white, non-blinking lights, like an Automobile headlamp. The landing lights could seem quite bright one minute (when the plane is coming toward the observer), and seem quite dim the next (as the plane turns away from the observer)..

I always thought this could be the answer to many UFO claims, since a plane with its landing lights on coming toward the observer will appear to be a bright light that is barely moving, but as the plane turns away the light will seem to move at a faster rate (although I understand that this is not the motion described by the OP.)

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Ive seen loads of these .. its wierd , my friends are all starting to see them..some thing very wierd is happening in the skies above the uk.

My girlfriends crappy cameraphone even piks them up..

search ,ufo in sheffield, 22nd july and you will find it on youtube.. taken 2 weeks ago.

If you live in the Uk get filming the night sky now.

reply to post by Soylent Green Is People


Thank you for the elucidation, but I am an Aircraft expert in my own right. I have studied and worked on them for years.

Please save your trivialities for the newbies.

Thanks.

I think I saw a satellite the other evening too. My parents live out in the country in the north west of England so it's great for sky watching when it's clear. The other night I noticed a light moving at a constant speed. It was far too high to be a plane.

The unusual thing that struck me was the way it suddenly disappeared from view whilst it was still pretty much overhead. Maybe something to do with the light shining off it?

ya sounds just like an orbiting satellite. See them all the time, show up like clock work, in fact there is one sat, a Navy sat, that actually looks like a flying triangle, has three pretty bright white lights and moves really fast across the horizon.

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reply to post by hardcoremusiclover


I'm going to assume it happened some time between midnight and 3 your time and it traveled west to east...am I right? It is the ISS. From around the end of July through the first part of August, the ISS is passing over the U.S. and it passes over every night about the same time...if you go outside tonight about the same time you saw it the other night, you will see it again. I've seen it 4 days in a row because I new it was going to be over head. It passed by pretty much the same time each night, I was able to look at the clock and know within 15 minutes it was going to be passing over.

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I am not sure where you live in the Midwest, but there are a few military bases in the Midwest where the US Military have planes that probably have the capacity to fly faster than a normal commercial jet. That said, I have no idea if they have flashing lights or not, sorry. I was once driving down I-70 (in Missouri) and got the chance to see some of the B-2 Stealth Bombers that are located at Whiteman AFB flying on some sort of training mission. It was daylight so I was able to see them since they were flying relatively low. Probably the people who live close to Whiteman see these planes lots flying in the area, but I was surprised to look up and see them.

Good luck figuring out what the strange light was!

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Thanks for this information! Sorry if this is off-topic, but is there somewhere than I might be able to find information as to when the ISS might be visible in different states/locations in the US? I would love to see it, but don't fancy standing outside for 10 hours staring at the sky.

Edited: I found the information at Nasa's website--disregard this post--sorry! I should have checked before I posted!



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I saw this craft as well and it moved from west to east, then north. But you did bring up a good point and that is to see if it is repeatable. I will scan the skies tonight at 11pm and see if it has a repeatable flight pattern.

Originally posted by Soylent Green Is People
As was said in some posts above, not all lights on a plane blink.

A plane's landing lights are bright white, non-blinking lights, like an Automobile headlamp. The landing lights could seem quite bright one minute (when the plane is coming toward the observer), and seem quite dim the next (as the plane turns away from the observer)..

I always thought this could be the answer to many UFO claims, since a plane with its landing lights on coming toward the observer will appear to be a bright light that is barely moving, but as the plane turns away the light will seem to move at a faster rate (although I understand that this is not the motion described by the OP.)

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all planes are required to display a red a and green light on eath wing to show to other planes who has right of way, just like they have to have flashing navigation lights.

To the OP: I know exactly what you mean i saw the samething here in the uk just a fews days ago, it was far brighter than any star, but it seemed to be lower than most of the other aircraft, at first i thought it was a star until it flew right over me and sevral other people. we had no idea what it was.

I think your description of it moving about %20 faster than other aircraft is very accurate to what i saw, and i believe we saw the same thing.

Please mention if you heard any rotorblades or jet engines as we did not.

i will post a picture very soon to show what i saw(photoshop)

ok HERE WE ARE:



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Originally posted by hardcoremusiclover
I saw a solid white light it seemed to be a plane except it moved a little too fast and the light didnt blink or anything. It looked exactly like I star, except it was moving.

Interesting. I started a thread on this very subject a few days back. Just last night a saw another one of these except that it moved what appeared to be a couple of inches then disappeared. It appeared again then disappeared again all in the span of what appeared to be a short distance. I never saw it again. I think it knew that I was going after my binoculars...

Anyhow, here is the link to my thread.

ATS Link

NASA Satellite tracking tools

Use the tools at the above page to tell what satellites are overhead where you live. I favor a satellite if the motion was in a straight line and at a constant velocity. Once it changes direction or velocity, you can rule out a satellite.

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reply to post by hardcoremusiclover


I live in SE Michigan and saw the same thing on 8/3. I submitted it to Mufon and there were several other reports of the same thing in WA, NJ and PA. It was definitely not a satellite, plane, or helicopter.

Sounds like a satellite to me. I have seen many fly over my house I have also seen the space station fly over many times. I live in Fl where there is hardly any light pollution at night and many things can be seen in the sky. Satellites wiz by all the time very fast and just a solid light. The space station is very bright and a gold color and it fades away once it gets into the Earths shadow.

Originally posted by Tapped In
Thank you for the elucidation, but I am an Aircraft expert in my own right. I have studied and worked on them for years.

Then you should know that an assumption to just assume that the plane was in fact a daimond at night, is not accurate, you should also know that an predicting an altitude of 40,000 feet without any equipment to measure isn't considered an approximation either.

At night, you can't see shape, in the day you can, however...if sun is hitting an aircraft in a certain way, whats to say that shape isn't going to look different?

For that matter, how are you sure your craft wasn't an F-117? Daimond shape? Fits the bill!

P.S. a friendly note, aircraft expert...so I understand what you are saying...can you use spell check?

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OK mister writer (do you put that in your profile to get noticed?) (I'm a writer as well and do not announce it to whom ever gazes my way and I don't spell check on pieces that do not require it. ).... Just for you....



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That is my status on ATS.
But please do not bait to go off topic. We are discussing non-blinking lights, for those who do not know, and are coming up with plausable explanations. What my status is has nothing to do with it.

You haven't answered my question either. I invite you to reread my post and please deny ignorance when replying. Why couldn't it have been an F-117 you saw? You're quick to judge it was something else, why can't it be a Nighthawk? You've made the assessment already, tell me how you made your conclusion.

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all planes are required to display a red a and green light on eath wing to show to other planes who has right of way, just like they have to have flashing navigation lights.

Correect, but as you probably witnessesed (I know I have, and I live over 15 miles froma an airport) the bright white landing lights on a plane on approach can outshine and obfuscate the red and green flashing nav lights.

Here is a picture of planes on approach -- albeit the one in the foreground is about to land, but the others are stacked a few miles back. At some airports (such as Phoenix) the planes make a several mile u-turn around the city -- with their bright white landing lights on -- prior to landing. Most of those planes look like white dots without any red and green (since the white is far brighter), such as the ones in the photo below:



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