Kellogg's corn flakes - Population control?

I know it sounds like one of those typical "WTF dude?!" threads we get here on ATS. But if you give me a second I'll show you that I'm completely serious.

I was looking into some nutritional detail of Kellogg's products, when I spotted a section called "Anti-sex and Anti-masturbation positions" in the John Harvey Kellogg Article on Wikipedia.

Apparently John Kellogg was a big "anti-sex"/"anti-masturbation" activist. You'll find that he was actually on such a far end of the spectrum that he didn't have sexual intercourse with his wife even once in their 40 years of marriage... In fact he worked on his book "Plain Facts" on their honeymoon.

(For those still trying to figure out who John Harvey Kellogg was - he was the co-inventor of the breakfast cereal "Kellogg's Corn Flakes".)

If you read some of John Kellogg's work you'll find stuff like

A remedy for masturbation which is almost always successful in small boys is circumcision. The operation should be performed by a surgeon without administering an anesthetic, as the brief pain attending the operation will have a salutary effect upon the mind, especially if it be connected with the idea of punishment. In females, the author has found the application of pure carbolic acid [phenol] to the clitoris an excellent means of allaying the abnormal excitement.

Wiki

In his work "Plain Facts for Old and Young" he wrote...

a plain and healthy diet, with only two meals a day, among other things, would reduce sexual feelings. Those experiencing temptation were to avoid stimulating food and drinks, and eat very little meat, if any. Kellogg also advocated hydrotherapy and stressed the importance of keeping the colon clean through yogurt enemas.

So clearly John Kellogg thought there's link between a person's diet and his sexual desires (lust). Did he actually "design" Kellogg's corn flakes to subdue sexual desires?

We're all aware that things like chocolates, oysters, etc. are supposedly aphrodisiacs. Could there not be an "anti-aphrodisiac"? Could Kellogg's be trying to take away people's sexual drive? Can we take it a step further? Are they messing with our children's sexual development and desires?

For the record:
This is not a typical "anti-product" campaign. All the information and the history of John Kellogg and the product is public information available for everyone to read:
Wikipedia
Psych Central
Stay Free Magazine

I have no agenda and nothing specific against Kellogg's Corn Flakes. Except that it's possibly the most boring cereal on the market.

I recommend you watch the movie:

The Road to Wellville

The so-called "doctor" Kellogg was a few sandwiches short of a picnic.

Now this is a conspiracy...

CornFlakes as an anti-aphrodisiac, so to speak?

I can, of course, only speak for myself, but I ate corn flakes for most of my life, still do occasionally...and I've not noticed any abnormal lack of desire, lack of oppourtunity perhaps, but that's hardly the fault of the cereal...

Interesting theory, though...

Interesting indeed... I wonder if this is true if it would only be limited to Corn Flakes?

reply to post by seagull

Ah... But how do you know what your "desires" would have been without Corn Flakes? How do you measure sexual drive?

reply to post by Gemwolf


Considering my "drive" whilst I was a younger man, that's a scarey thought...

But, yeah, you may have something there.

John Kellogg was a raving closet homo! That's why he didn't have sex with his wife. But he had plenty of hot saunas with fit young men in his "health camps"

Originally posted by Gaspode
So clearly John Kellogg thought there's link between a person's diet and his sexual desires (lust). Did he actually "design" Kellogg's corn flakes to subdue sexual desires?

We're all aware that things like chocolates, oysters, etc. are supposedly aphrodisiacs. Could there not be an "anti-aphrodisiac"? Could Kellogg's be trying to take away people's sexual drive? Can we take it a step further? Are they messing with our children's sexual development and desires?

About 100 years ago, there was a Christian movement promoting healthy vegetarian food to reduce sexual excitement. Kellogg may have been influenced by them.

If it is true that Kellogg's corn flakes decreases libido, I can only encourage kids and teenagers eating Kellogg's corn flakes. After all, they are already over-sexed enough by the media

So what about 'frosties'? MMM their nice and sugary, does that make me a pervert?
And that Tony the tigerrrrr he's grrrrreat as a hunk of man-tiger....

What about 'special K'? I know that wife eats them , thats probably why I ain't getting no pookiefun....
Maybe I'm getting serious sexual deviancy from the 'frosties'?

Man I'm soooo worried now.

Well, I'd always heard that Kellogg was an avid vegetarian ( religiously so, and in fact being a vegetarian was a tenet of his religious beliefs ) and he'd developed the cereal flakes as an alternative breakfast to bacon and eggs.....

That being said, when you really begin to look at Mr. Kellogg and his other beliefs, it doesn't take long before one begins to think he was a bit looney-toons!

Originally posted by frayed1
Well, I'd always heard that Kellogg was an avid vegetarian ( religiously so, and in fact being a vegetarian was a tenet of his religious beliefs ) and he'd developed the cereal flakes as an alternative breakfast to bacon and eggs.....

That being said, when you really begin to look at Mr. Kellogg and his other beliefs, it doesn't take long before one begins to think he was a bit looney-toons!

Buddhists also prefer vegetarian food and they also encourage abstinence. Are they also looney?

Well considering the main ingredients are:
Milled corn
Sugar
Malt flavoring
High fructose corn syrup
Salt
Iron
Niacinamide
Sodium ascorbate and ascorbic acid (vitamin C)
Pyridoxine hydrochloride (vitamin B6)
Riboflavin (vitamin B2)
Thiamin hydrochloride (vitamin B1)
Vitamin A palmitate
Folic acid
Vitamin B12
Vitamin D
vitamin B

... And all of those are readily available in almost all other foods you eat.

And none of them are known depressants.

Source: en.wikipedia.org...

reply to post by Sage08


While I'm no nutritionist, we're all well aware of Kellogg's marketing campaigns (especially those for children) where they advertise some products as "healthy" and containing certain Vitamins and other nutrients, where it wasn’t exactly the whole truth.

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Originally posted by OutoftheBoxthinker

Originally posted by frayed1
Well, I'd always heard that Kellogg was an avid vegetarian ( religiously so, and in fact being a vegetarian was a tenet of his religious beliefs ) and he'd developed the cereal flakes as an alternative breakfast to bacon and eggs.....

That being said, when you really begin to look at Mr. Kellogg and his other beliefs, it doesn't take long before one begins to think he was a bit looney-toons!

Buddhists also prefer vegetarian food and they also encourage abstinence. Are they also looney?

No, and I did not intimate that the vegetarianism was the source or reason for saying he was a bit looney......did you not see the part, "when you really begin to look at Mr. Kellogg and his other beliefs, it doesn't take long before one begins to think he was a bit looney..." (HE, not VEGETARIANS)

So maybe eating Corn Flakes is a cure for things like Nymphomania?

I wonder if there are any cereals that have an opposite effect? You know... say, Cheerios the cereal equivalent of Viagra?

Kellogg was representative of many Victorian Era fads, like mesmerism, seances, mummies, and numerous snake-oil 'cures'.

He most certainly had a peculiar fixation for enemas, and was clearly homophobic (whether or not he was a repressed homosexual himself remains to be determined as far as I know.)

This is not really something to be too concerned about since his ilk was predestined to disappear from the gene pool by their own design.

reply to post by Gaspode
I don't think he was one of the more dangerous population control freaks. The evil population control freaks sterilize people without their consent or knowledge. The evil population control freaks also encourage the sterilized to have numerous sexual partners knowing full well that sexual diseases lead to early death and STD's can sterilize larger portions of the population. Kellogg regarded overpopulation as an out growth of lust and sought to control lust. In this way he is not different from the Catholic clergy or the Bhuddists.


Population control is an out growth of Eugenics. In one sense Kellogg was a Eugenicist ; he did not believe a good environment could correct all genetic flaws. His belief that bad morality had some roots in bad genetics stemmed from his failure to succesfully raise one of his many adopted children. The child he failed to successfully raise was the son of a hard drinking prostitute.



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reply to post by Psychopump


That is a good one. Kellogg's brother is the one who changed the recipe to make the flakes taste good. He never did tell his brother about the change of adding sugar, because he was such a health nut. The cereal started to sell and the rest is history.

Yea this guy was pretty far out. He was an outspoken advocate for racial segregation and believed that immigrants and non whites would contaminate the gene pool yet he allegedly adopted several black children nonetheless (maybe to perform experiments on them? This is taken from his wiki article.

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Well if you are really concerend, I eat corn Flakes, and *snip* Mr. Flakes was a quack, he had one good idea, but like L Ron Hubbard, makes a few statements, and 90% onf the world thinks you're a quack and 10% of the world think you're a prohpet.



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reply to post by patrickrpg


i eat a lot of fruity pebbles and corn flakes. my libido is stronger than i would like, and i am straight. but man i love my cereal!!!!!!