Pag Triangle - probably the best UFO hard evidence

Spooky Fox Mulder

Just one more question.

Is it possible that you answer my questions?

If you do not want to answer just say so and I will stop waiting for it.

One thing I saw yesterday but forgot about it, only when reading the translation did I remembered it.

If this image from the video shows a diagram of the triangle then it's not a triangle, it's a quadrangle.

Also, according to the translation, there is someone on the phone that says:

[Voice over telephone,male]The measures do not coincide with the star cluster, and it is common for this particular cluster to be marked with five dots, not four.

So, is this a triangle or not?

reply to post by ArMaP


It's a geodesist sketch, and taking into account that the man knows his job, its pretty accurate. So i guess you are correct, it's a quadrangle, but a tailored expression everyone used was "roughly the shape of triangle"

Star and Flag for effort although I do agree the evidence isnt fantastic.

However there arent many ATS members who actually go out and collect evidence of any kind...most is by pot luck (pics of ufo etc). Well done mate.

reply to post by TeslaandLyne

UFOs have been seen melting themselves.
Aluminum was seen dripping off and recovered.

There has to be some structural damage to vehicles that supposedly can travel either engulfed in high energy plasma or through highly energized regions of space, or both.
There would be a build up of excess energy the kind that could not be used effectively and would be damaging to the onboard crew and or operating devices. Space is probably filled with any type of electrical currents we can think off. Even efficient heat dissipation from cabins in conventional space vehicles would be a problem. For example the plans in theory of an interstellar ship bringing humans in to another solar system involved huge heating dischargers surrounding the bulk of the ship making it glow in space.
If i wanted to build a ship capable of traveling in many solar systems I would include a discharge capability to it to prevent excessive built up of energy that would be damaging. I would have to store this energy before I would discharge it of course, it would be safer for the crew, the ship and its surroundings.

Supposedly a craft landed somewhere and left prints on the rock, why would this be necessarily a byproduct of its normal fusion system and not a rare occurrence of its discharge ability.

It would also serve as a navigational marker if the resulting effects were permanent in the surroundings and especially if they would stand out from the normal energy signature of a place, even more so if they would stand out even from as far as space.

I also found historical references rumoring for a supposed "vimana" that could do this on top of a special semi subterranean construction that was also used as a sulfur mine in antiquity and it included many caverns built inside rock. Very ingenious, if its not just fiction if you ask me.

Why should maglev explain everything about UFOs since nothing like that is confirmed? Have we tested anything similar lets say near a sun coronal discharge lately? Even if tested, we would not know how it can behave in space. All is just as good as any speculation.

I will flag the thread only because it shows a strange triangle in the middle of nowhere. Its existence doesn't make any sense. Although the riddle of this puzzle IMO can not be entirely attributed to natural processes. Rarely natural processes involve geometric shapes especially if there are of a considerable size.

[edit on 5-8-2008 by spacebot]

reply to post by Spooky Fox Mulder


A triangle on the ground is only the slightest suggestion that there may have been something triangle in the air. So, I don't think think this should be classified as "UFO evidence" at all.

Mulder I don't know what's more intriguing your job or this triangle.

Also, is your agency (or whatever it is) monitoring the area for UFO activity or was this a one time investigation?

Originally posted by spacebot
If i wanted to build a ship capable of traveling in many solar systems I would include a discharge capability to it to prevent excessive built up of energy that would be damaging. I would have to store this energy before I would discharge it of course, it would be safer for the crew, the ship and its surroundings.

NASA has this same problem...

Imagine the plasma charge 'collected' by the ISS as it's metal hull zips through the ionosphere at 17,500 mph...

Imagine the plasma charge 'collected' by the Shuttle on its way to rendesvous with the ISS

Imagine if the two are not the same potential

Now imagine a bunch of water molecules rubbing together... building static potential...

This is what happens in clouds... when its high enough a little feeler seeks ground and a huge plasma discharge from the ground results

Wow I just discovered free energy....



NASA has papers on how they deal with it ... the other is tons of free electricity generated by the friction of water molecules in the air...

Both cases 'generate' phenomenal plasma potential. The tether experiment was a step in harnessing that... it got fried because the potential that was there was TEN TIMES what NASA scientists expected and they forgot to put in a circuit breaker



But your right... "UFO's" that are spaceships whether ours or theirs would have a plasma envelope that makes them fuzzy by day, glowing by night... and the AFRL is using this concept on several of our stealth airplanes and the new Blackswift...

Revolutionary Hypersonic Aerospace Vehicles
With Plasma Actuators That Require No Moving Parts

AFRL

[edit on 5-8-2008 by zorgon]

From my scientific findings I would extrapolate: the hunter-gatherer cavemen (apologies for the blunt expression on this one can't find the right word, op. a.) that were inhabitant to this area (archaeological proof) appear to have witnessed the passing of a craft which projected light at a certain frequency, which then made the rock luminescent. In awe of this occurrence, they shaped the glowing area in a triangle.

So it may have been made by man and maintained....still i find it interesting and worthy of research.
Who knows where the next big discovery may be hiding.
thanks for the translation.

Thanks OP.

Originally posted by drift393

Spooky this is what I dont understand you keep saying how you cant disclose who you work for and how it is a big secret. But you make this thread?www.abovetopsecret.com...

Project New Earth

Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by drift393

Spooky this is what I dont understand you keep saying how you cant disclose who you work for and how it is a big secret. But you make this thread?www.abovetopsecret.com...

Project New Earth

Don't like the sound of that. Especially since I'm looking for all the
old Tesla science that has been successfully hidden away.

Anything new means more clutter to work through and diverting from
the true old science that never got started and being denied the entire world.

OK the rocks. Now I just got through a whole story on Indian
"Thunder Stones" and they in no way created much more power
than 19Mev in making sparks. Yeah, and Tesla did it too.

Making sparks now is banned by the FCC so at least the triangle
craft knew to land in an isolated area.

I expect Tesla craft builders are to be found in isolated areas.

That Project New Earth should consider:
Building isotope sourced electrical generators to power homes.

That is better than adding magnets around your Tesla invented
watt-hour meter outside everyone's home.
Every magnetic pole you have draws in energy.
(By that aluminum rotating disk)
I would imagine the electric company checking on your records
and investigating and taking away your magnets.
If you did it again they would cut off your electricity.

An electrical generator from isotope fuel, there is sparking involved
for transmutations so its used over and over again, would be nice
for the brave new world.

Better than those magnets that the electric company would take away.
You really don't think the power company can generate all the
power for entire cities without local co powered generators
right outside our homes.

Ah the mysteries of life. The energy is in the air.
And some rocks.

Originally posted by ArMaP
Spooky Fox Mulder

Just one more question.

Is it possible that you answer my questions?

If you do not want to answer just say so and I will stop waiting for it.

I will, when I have more time. Have a good day.

Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by drift393

Spooky this is what I dont understand you keep saying how you cant disclose who you work for and how it is a big secret. But you make this thread?www.abovetopsecret.com...

Project New Earth

As I have already answered to drift393's question - Project New Earth is one of our official projects.

EDIT: And no, it has nothing to do with that link that you have presented: www.sierratel.com...




[edit on 6-8-2008 by Spooky Fox Mulder]

reply to post by Spooky Fox Mulder


OK, thanks, I will wait.

Well, I know that stone and it is a copper deposit. I'm sure gold isn't much further away ... and who is to say -- 6,000 yrs. ago ancient man used the site to hold bon fires that where huge and they lasted days if not weeks ... a strong wind, and quartz - copper both melt and possible thermal fusion and 6,000 years of eroded glass. -- the triangle appears to be of intelligent making. is it possible that man did this yes, is it possible it is alien, only 30% probability on the photographs presented.. do I have concurrence or debate.

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Nice link!
I will check it out.

The second one, the "morphing wing" will probably IMO be the answer for a Mars flyer.
It seems, Plasma is where the money is. I know it, you know it, everybody knows this and some know it for years. How many cartoons, computer games, or even internet pages explaining properties of plasma in laymen terms? Young people can save our stagnant space programs but nobody really cares. Anyway that was completely out of topic for thsi thread..on the other hand imagine, a 15 year old solving the riddle of this thread? that would be something!

iIs obviously an alien starbase. That is, if the aliens were at a stone age level technologically.

Well, I don't think much about this topic, but someone's mentioning of Tesla and "east of the town of Novalja, up in the rocky hills" made me check something (image rotated to fit):



You all know Tesla was born in Croatia, right? I'm sure it's just a coincidence, but the village of Smiljan, his birthplace, is less than 20 miles away from the Pag triangle. That is, if you can fly... on foot it's much further away because of the Velebit mountains in the middle.

Also, the rocks on the site are limestone, I'm pretty certain. Btw, this reminds me of yet another bit of trivia about our country - allegedly, limestone columns for the White House were imported in 1824 from Brac, another Croatian island south of Pag. Can anyone verify this or is it just an urban legend here?

[edit on 8.8.2008 by nekitamo]

Originally posted by ArMaP
Spooky Fox Mulder

Just one more question.

Is it possible that you answer my questions?

If you do not want to answer just say so and I will stop waiting for it.

Could you repeat your question please?

reply to post by Spooky Fox Mulder


there you go - questions raised - and unanswered :

Originally posted by ignorant_ape you claim that the rocks are ` compacted ` by a massive impact force - i see no evidence of this in your photo - rather the pics of the hole show that there rocks are loose

second you claim that great heat has been applied to the area - i see no evidence of vitrification / fusion etc etc

IMHO the area looks raked or graded

lastly you claim it is aligned with ORION and SIRIUS ?

how ?????????????????

given the dimensions you cite - and assuming that it is an iccosoles triangle i do not see how it can be aligned with these 2 bodies

perhaps if you provided a ground plan ???????????

PS - not your claim , but googling i came across this :

No vegetation grows inside the triangle....

source

care to comment ? because looking at your pictures i would like to see hi res origionals - because i see areas [ in pics 2 and 3 ] that LLOOK LIKE plant life withing the ` triangle `

Originally posted by ArMaP
reply to post by Spooky Fox Mulder

 

That would be good as hard evidence of aliens, but the title of your thread clearly says "probably the best UFO hard evidence".

Seeing that all the photos you provided are about land features, I don't see any evidence of a UFO, much less hard evidence.

About what you wrote:

2 -

In 1999, the position of Pag Triangle was pointing towards Sirius star, linking Orion star as well.

What is "Orion star"? And knowing that the stars have an apparent movement in the sky, how can you say that it pointed to a specific star in 1999? It would probably pointed to several stars according to the time of year and of day.

3 -

The Pag landscape is extremely rocky and alien, it could serve as a setting for a science fiction movie about visiting other planets.

It does not look different from other places in that area, but I may be wrong, I was never there.

4 -

The triangle itself measures approximately 32 times 32 times 24 feet.

Could you please explain these measurements? Thanks.

5 -

Our GPS system suddenly shut down and the camera's batteries died. Just before the GPS shut down, we had connectrion with 5 more sattelites than we normally have.

So those photos were taken before entering the triangle? And how may satellites does your GPS usually "see"?

6 - Did you take the photos of the top of the hill before or after the batteries died?

7 - Why didn't you took bigger photos? Isn't the Olympus FE230 capable of bigger images?

[edit on 4/8/2008 by ArMaP]

[edit on 8-8-2008 by ignorant_ape]