U.S. official: Iraqis told me WMDs sent to Syria

This is old news, just like the water on Mars headline.
One of Saddams military strategists named Georges whatshisname (I distintly remember his first name, I think he even wrote a book) reported this years ago, but of course no one took note because it went against public opinion at the time.
I wonder what else will be revealed and finally acceepted in the next few years.

reply to post by WhatTheory

Now totaling an estimated 500,000, only a small fraction of these refugees have approached the United Nations High Commission for Refugees (UNHCR) to apply for temporary protection from refoulement. Although not a signatory to the 1951 Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees, Syria laudably entered into an agreement with UNHCR immediately prior to the war to provide temporary protection to Iraqis as a means of ensuring their safety during the attacks in Iraq. Syria is also the only Arab country with such open borders, permitting refugees from Iraq to enter freely and obtain legal temporary residence for up to six months.

Do you think it is possible that those trucks were filled with the estimated half-million refugees????? Naw, couldn't be something that was PROVEN to have gone to Syria......had to be those mysterious disappearing WMD's.

Originally posted by Grafilthy
Do you think it is possible that those trucks were filled with the estimated half-million refugees????? Naw, couldn't be something that was PROVEN to have gone to Syria......had to be those mysterious disappearing WMD's.

No, I don't think it's possible for numerous reasons but the main one is that how on Earth will you get 500,000 people and their belongings into 50-100 trucks? I would like to see that trick. I guess they could have been clown trucks which hold a unlimited number of people.

[edit on 1-8-2008 by WhatTheory]

I don't know how difficult it would be to transport a nuclear weapon but Saddam did have one thing and that was time. We told him that we were coming in and I have to imagine that he was doing something other than ordering the tracks be removed from the tracked vehicles so the soldiers couldn't drive away and burying jets. The man had time.

But I do understand that no matter how much time he had, if he didn't have the weapons then he couldn't have sent them anywhere.

reply to post by The Godfather of Conspira

Originally posted by The Godfather of Conspira
reply to post by Double Eights

 

Good on you for picking that up

I thought these articles were just rehashings of the same old crap.

So now the US is taking critical intelligence information used to justify a war from convicts?

Hell while they're at it why not ask what the Iraqi prostitutes think about this too?

Maybe the US should check out Iraq's Red Light district, see what the hookers have to say?

Ask any cop if hookers are one of the best sources of what's going on in the streets. They are some of the most reliable sources of street action.

As for the convicts, well how do you think they got in prison to begin with? By being Boy Scouts?

I have a source from the Internatinal Red Cresent who quite categorically states those trucks were women and children , including orphaned children being evacuated to syria for there own protection.

reply to post by jsobecky

As for the convicts

Convicts???? That implies they were given a fair trial. Or even A trial. I don't remember that????

I have heard that as well. Then not long ago Israel hit a storage facility destroying a bunch of it.. Don't know if that is true, but it makes sense.

Well, just to be different, how about a little balance, instead of hyperbole. You will notice that I spare you the "everybody knows" platitudes.

From the article:

Some of the inmates, Bordenkircher said, "wanted to trade their information for a release from prison and were amenable to showing the locations."

Now, this doesn't bode well as evidence. They wanted to trade intel for freedom. GONG. Not credible.

Some of the other bits, though..... resonate to me strongly in concord with other info that came out around that time. Can I show googleEarth transport convoys via a natty .jpeg? Nope. I saw them on the ol' TV though. SOMEthing was moved. We don't know, and will probably never be able to say with any certainty what it was. Much like the UFO phenomenon, digital/CGI rules, and we wouldn't KNOW the truth if it knocked our front teeth out.

You know what rings loud and clear to me? This: Why, oh why, did the Bush administration so loudly and brashly telegraph their military plans? What a gnumbgnutz thing to do. I would NEVER tell somebody I was coming for them.

Will you allow me to wax philosophically for a bit? Listen I"m 50, I think that should allow me a certain bit of flex.

A buddy of mine here around the time of the beginning of the "shock and awe" was trying to get me to represent the U.S. He said, "what a crock..... lebenty thousand US and other troops and they can't find Hussein." Okay, I bit. I posed a hypothetical situation to him. I said, "look. Let''s suppose you and your influential family are after me. You say, 'I'm coming for you on Saturday, the 3rd.' All week long you see me stacking up rocks on my property border. Finally the day arrives, and you STORM my property, only to find that I'm gone. You are determined. You beat the bush for me, and, me knowing my own 10-acre bush and rockholes, and snares and being a ol' sneaky guy, I cause you casualties. You are still determined, even as your numbers get dimished. I'm determined too, and I tend toward inflicting injuries, rather than death, as it causes you to utilize more of your folk to tend to the wounded than if I killed them. Still, eventually, you will get me, but the cost will be dear."

To me, this is a pinhole analogy to what happened in Iraq. Thank you imbedded reporters. Thank you CNN and Wolf Blitzer and all the rest who catalogued every U.S. and allied movement.

What was moved prior to the attack? Maybe it was truckloads of puppies and hummus. We will never know. That is the bottom line.

this could very well be true,,,,,, however this adm. has lied so much i don't know wether to believe it or not,,,,,it could be just more propoganda
they''re the boy that cried wolf


and besides,,,, when your toes are being beaten with a ball peen hammer,,,,you'll say anything


i still chuckle,,,,,these weapons he has, had that we're crying over,,, are one's we sold him to fight iran, go figure
a lesson for covert missions, funding extreme regimes, and such
hell, we even trained OBL

reply to post by argentus

Originally posted by argentus
Well, just to be different, how about a little balance, instead of hyperbole. You will notice that I spare you the "everybody knows" platitudes.

From the article:

Some of the inmates, Bordenkircher said, "wanted to trade their information for a release from prison and were amenable to showing the locations."

Now, this doesn't bode well as evidence. They wanted to trade intel for freedom. GONG. Not credible.

I disagree. It could be the most solid source of evidence we have yet.

Nobody gets released unless their "locations" pan out.

What did you think we would do? Take their word for it and then release them?

reply to post by Grafilthy


Don't tell me your problems. Take it up with The Godfather of Conspira - I was just using his words.

Originally posted by The Godfather of Conspira

So now the US is taking critical intelligence information used to justify a war from convicts?

reply to post by WhatTheory

So the WMDs were sent to Syria? Then wouldn't there be at least some evidence of there manufacture? You're saying they moved who knows how many tons/gallons of the stuff yet not one drop of the ingredients found in Iraq or a Laboratory to prove this theory?

In order to create such deadly chemicals there needs to be a lab and a few chemists around I would venture to think...Where are the Chemists who would admit to this for a few shekels, or a lab...how about a beaker, or perhaps a drop of the stuff? Nothing huh? Not even a Bunsen burner fer Christs sakes? ...POOF just vanished into thin air...

If some people are able to make this leap of faith, that the stuff was shipped off somewhere, then why is it so hard for them to maybe consider the possibility that perhaps there just wasn't any WMDs? Rumors and heresy are not worth sending over 4,000 young Americans to their deaths in the desert not to mention the tremendous costs the American people are being subjected to, nor the countless hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi people dead, nor the upsurge in Terrorism in a country that never before experienced "Suicide-bombers".

Nope, you see admitting and excepting the "No WMD conclusion", comes with a lot of bad baggage and responsibility that is attached with it, which I've outlined above. So it is easier for some to cling to the notion that the WMDs went to Syria, or Iran, or are still buried somewhere in the desert. Why? Well, I guess sometimes the truth can be too much of a bitter pill to swallow, and hey sometimes you just want to be able to look the mirror without throwing-up...




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We must be ready to attack IRAN soon because these "WMDs in IRAQ found!" are popping up on ATS with greater frequency.

Well, you'd better invade Syria then. Better have a back-up plan in case Iran doesn't make as much cash as planned.

reply to post by jsobecky

As for the convicts, well how do you think they got in prison to begin with? By being Boy Scouts?

More ignorance from you...

You do realise about 85% of the detainees captured in the War on Terror from Iraq & Afghanistan are either completely innocent or low-level foot soldiers/ combatants that are worthless in terms of intelligence value?

If their such a bunch of bad apples why have only 1% been charged with anything so far?

So far, the military commissions have publicly charged only six detainees — less than 1 percent of the more than 770 who've been at Guantanamo

www.mcclatchydc.com...

I disagree. It could be the most solid source of evidence we have yet.

Ramblings from prison inmates are the most solid source of justification for the Iraq War so far?

Nobody gets released unless their "locations" pan out.

Ah yes Former Marine MP "jsobecky" gives us the low down on Iraqi jails and the how detention system works over there.

Nobody gets released until their tortured for a week or so and forced to provide some faulty Intel under duress in a bid to excuse themselves.

Since when is testimony from inmates compiled into National Security Briefings and Intelligence?

Originally posted by shortywarn
this could very well be true,,,,,, however this adm. has lied so much i don't know wether to believe it or not

Huh? What?
The only thing most people whine and cry about is that they believe the President lied about WMD. So as you say, 'this could very well be true', then what else are you talking about?

and besides,,,, when your toes are being beaten with a ball peen hammer,,,,you'll say anything

Ah, but their information is verified before any deal is sealed.
If the information is not correct then back to being beaten with a ball peen hammer. See, it's in their best interest to help.

i still chuckle,,,,,these weapons he has, had that we're crying over,,, are one's we sold him to fight iran, go figure

So what?
So if you are saying we sold him WMD then I guess Bush was right. He did have them. Thanks!

Originally posted by pluckynoonez
We must be ready to attack IRAN soon because these "WMDs in IRAQ found!" are popping up on ATS with greater frequency.

Are you in the correct thread?
This thread is NOT about weapons which have been found. Only the possibility that they were moved out of Iraq.

Do you really believe there is no chance Saddam removed weapons before the war, regardless of how small you think the possiblility is?

Originally posted by Ismail
Well, you'd better invade Syria then.

I'm sure they are on the list.
One or two countries at a time is plenty.

Originally posted by Gateway
So the WMDs were sent to Syria?

It's a possibility.

Then wouldn't there be at least some evidence of there manufacture? You're saying they moved who knows how many tons/gallons of the stuff yet not one drop of the ingredients found in Iraq or a Laboratory to prove this theory?

Well, there has been evidence.
We did find a bunch of munitions with poisen gas and Saddam did kill an entire town with gas.
Tons of yellowcake have been removed and since Saddam was not building nuclear power plants, I wonder what that was for?

Where are the Chemists who would admit to this for a few shekels

Ther have been captured chemists. Here is one:

Captured chemist

If some people are able to make this leap of faith, that the stuff was shipped off somewhere, then why is it so hard for them to maybe consider the possibility that perhaps there just wasn't any WMDs?

Because there is so much evidence to the contrary.
What's really funny is that a lot of people who believe 'Bush lied' about this also believe in the 9/11 conspiracy and there is really less to no evidence. Funny how this works.

Well, I guess sometimes the truth can be too much of a bitter pill to swallow

Back at you.