Retired RAAF PILOTS opinion

As I have said a few times before , you need to look carefully amongst the military section in your libaray for real nuggets rather than the sensationalist stuff in the Mysteries /unexplained section

The following is a direct quote from a book called 'luck is no accident' by Col King , a retired RAAF/civil airline pilot . The choice of words is cleverly crafted but the intent obvious.

'People sometimes ask if I have had any encounters or sightings associated with the UFO phenomenon .REGRETABLY I cannot claim any such DISTINCTION however I was PRIVILAGED to be on hand at the moment when an experience of very great importance was first revealed .
Whilst undergoing the AJASS course at NAVAL AIR STATION NOWRA ,NSW
I became acquainted with startling details of somethin amazing which had taken place at that location .

Then follows the account of Lieutenant James O'farrell RAN . Now commodore Ofarrell retired .

I shant type all that out ,it would take to long .but suffice to say naval radar confirmed his sighting and this account was investigated and found to be entirely credible .

Obviously the book would be hard to find except by special order but the ISBN is 1-876439-20-3 for anyone who is interested .

Funny isnt it how EVERYONE ignores the testimony of a credible witness with a proven track record in the air force but they flock around when the sensationalist disinfo agents come up with their latest bogus spin about stargates . You people really are funny to watch .
you dont want the truth ,you want the fear hate and BS .
well your getting it in spades here .

My neighbour who is 85 and who I would trust 100% was aircrew in ww2 and is still in touch with fellow crew members from that time through to the 50's.
He is convinced that there is more to this world than us and he is as straight talking and thinking as you will find. His conviction stems from what he and his colleagues saw.

reconpilot,

im interested in the book, luck is no accident. so im going to start looking for it as soon as i get a chance. i will also look into the military section, any suggestions what to look for?

in reply to your second post, its crap that anyone can make a stargate out of what looks to be a doorway carved into a rock........how is that supposed to be a stargate?

peace

reply to post by pureevil81


There are small portals ,there are wormholes and there are stargates .
I dont know myself if that hole in the rock wall is a stargate or not .
vertical cliff faces have always made great hanger bays because they are hard to get at and easily disguised by a holographic projection .
I have been taken to a secret gateway in Switzerland once .It was disguised as a small religious shrine . It will only operate if you have the correct IFF/dna code and probably a password.
The wormholes that are generated in the sky above our bases here are to allow interstellar craft through or just to hop from one side of the planet to another . It takes a lot more power to generate a hole that big than say one big enough for a human to walk through like the ones in SG1.
Some wormholes are generated naturally by interacting gravity fields of planetary bodies . This can cause problems .

Generated wormholes just stitch together the gravity fields of planets so that the wormhole skips and jumps from one body to the next . Its a bit like the sling shot effect . A stitch in time makes nine .

Or to quote the Koran (I think I remember this right )describing a wormhole as the great beast borak that enabled one to travel from Mecca to jerusalem 'in the twinkling of an eye '. Lovely poetic description of a portal that .

Time sliding is another trick we use a lot during training only there is no lost time , you are just taken back to the starting point of your 'trip' and none the wiser except for a few brief recalls . It takes a lot of energy to do that but it can be done and the greys are very,very good at it . The good ones that is . Time is wave like so like 'stitches in time' you just have to measure the crests and troughs accurately and sew yourself back in before the 'snake's tail cracks '.
I do love the priests kings code language ,so poetic and yet child like in its innocence and beauty .

So the 'fabric of time' really is a good almost literal analogy .

reply to post by abstrusenumber1


many aircrew from ww2 know about us .We trained a lot of them ,we provided technology and in depth skills to defeat Hitler . Without our help and tech savvy ,Hitler would have easily won ww2.
Next time your at the library see if you can find a copy of a book called illustrated History of the RAF by roy nesbit . See how many celeb faces you can recognise in there . Its a big format book.
I have counted at least 15 plus quite a few friends and family .
Thank you for your contribution to this thread .

reply to post by pureevil81


I really hope you can find a hard copy but its probably a very limited edition printing as so many of those good military autobio's are .
A close relative of mine who is a retired high ranking officer had to self publish . Its a fantastic book full of cheeky allusions to the truth but carefully worded to avoid falling foul of official secrets .
Such is the way of things .
But usually you will find that there is less censorship in europe and oz than you get in the US . Sorry about that but its not an anti american sentiment.
It helps to get a handle on the inside 'language' . Its a mixture of puns ,word play , anagrams , jokes and well, poetry actually .
Hope that gives you some idea what I'm trying to get across.
It gets easier once you get used to thinking like a child again.

reply to post by reconpilot


ok, ill try for the hard copy, but im definitely going to check out this stuff. i know exactly what you mean, about having to think like a kid again, i read ya loud and clear.

yeah, the U.S. is censored alot, even i knew that, i dont claim to be a genius. i understand its not an anti american thing, its the truth.

that was alot of good info youve provided, i cant believe more people arent replying to this, i find it quite interesting. some people have to have proof, which is fine, but when stuff like this is covered and sugar coated, there may not be proof. at least not right now.

so i should check out military books from europe and oz then?

thanks for the goods man. peace

reply to post by pureevil81

pureevil81, it's definitely not an anti-american thing. Us Aussies know that there's plenty of good people in the USA. Heaps.

The bloke in your avatar image is one example of a great American, who's not afraid to speak his mind.

When he was here in Melbourne on tour in 2006, he introduced 'Hangar 18' by saying to the moshpit - "I believe that there's little green people out there!" I smiled at that one.

reply to post by tezzajw


Your kidding ! is that right ? Cool . Excuse my ignorance but who is that in pureevils avatar ? No , I dont know everything .

Originally posted by reconpilot
reply to post by abstrusenumber1

 

many aircrew from ww2 know about us .We trained a lot of them ,we provided technology and in depth skills to defeat Hitler . Without our help and tech savvy ,Hitler would have easily won ww2.
Next time your at the library see if you can find a copy of a book called illustrated History of the RAF by roy nesbit . See how many celeb faces you can recognise in there . Its a big format book.
I have counted at least 15 plus quite a few friends and family .
Thank you for your contribution to this thread .

While England faced down the entire Germany Army from 1939 - 1941,
American Communists flooded the streets and the population of America were chanting ,let the Brits burn it is not our turn.
SO don't tell us how you won the war please,the technology Of Germany was far better than any of the west.
By the time America finally joined the war effort the Russians had the Germans on the run in the east,British and American forces had them
on the run from the west. it was the Russians that reached Berlin first.
No one would say that America did not contribute ,they had many war dead and fought hard supplied much needed equipment and supplies because they were safe in America and could do the work and also had the manufacturing facilities .Likewise in Canada we made war machines night and day.
It was a grand effort of co-operation with great sacrifice all around.

reply to post by pureevil81


Books are a start . retired service men ,particularly air force are obviously another . Ask them somewhere private ,outside away from prying ears . They may feel inclined to throw you a bone if anonymity can be reasonably expected of you .

Its not easy to get people to talk because lives and livelyhoods are threatened along with family members .

I used to get a LOT of bones from the RC flying club I was in when I lived in WA state . You would be surprised how many interesting people fly model aircraft . Aircrew ,vets and serving , techies and stuff .
One guys dad was an astronaut contemporary with the guys who did the moon landings . He showed me pics of them in their space suits and stuff.
Then he said 'where are they now though ?'
A telling rhetorical question of course .

so yeah , thats how you start to dig around but respect their restraint and dont push for answers if they wont say anymore . That will just ring alarm bells if you are insensitive to the restraints they are under .
Hope that helps.

The man in pureevil's image is Dave Mustaine.

He started off in the very early 1980s as a guitarist with Metallica. They sacked him, so he went and formed Megadeth. Like most heavy-metal dudes, he has been through drugs, booze and lots of other bad stuff.

There's a song called Hangar 18, from their 1989 CD called Rust In Peace. It's cool. He also did a follow up song called Return To Hangar on the 2002 The World Needs A Hero CD.

Megadeth has gone through heaps of line-up changes and Mustaine is the only original member - he basically is Megadeth. They've toured Aussie heaps of times, regrettably, I had to wait until 2005 before I first saw them, then again in 2006 and 2007.

Mustaine believes in ET. It was cool when he said about the little green people just before they ripped into Hangar 18. Too bad that most of the heavy-metal moshpit dudes wouldn't really give a damn what he was talking about.

reply to post by solo1


Absolutely right solo ,could not agree more and thank you for framing the the wider context of this debate so succintly .
I would like to clarify a point and say that by WE I mean those commonly reffered to as the 'internationals' .men AND WOMEN of all nationalities who showed up ASAP to lend their expertise and lay the ground work for the succesfull defence of Britain . Winning the Bof B was critical in turning the tide and buying more time .
And YES ,the germans did have higher tech than us in most respects which begs the question , from where ?
The fact that we still defeated Hitler was proof of the old adage 'the man is more important than the machine '.

One of my best friends and fellow reconaisance pilots was a 'canadian' by the name of Bob niven . And lets not forget the eagle squadrons who ignored their nations neutrality and sacrificed their US citizenship to fight alongside us

The PDU was very much an international affair along with the dambuster
squadron and many other unsung secret squadrons .
The point is that freedom was at stake and everybodys effort counted.

Thanks for chipping in with that Solo , I dont dont care how 'Wildly' off topic this thread gets as long as the debate has some balls and fire .
Cheers.

I think that you'll find that Germany had essentially lost the "war" from early 1941 onward, the rest was just gradual decline and eventual death-throws. With the planned invasion of Britain scuppered due to complete loss of air superiority and Hitler's move toward the East, he was doomed as soon as he had opened up two fronts.

Where did Germany get their machines from? Clever engineering and the foresight of the scientific community... How did they keep going for so long if they were in their death-throws? Albert Speer springs to mind...

If Germany had not have opened up two fronts it would have won, their A-bomb research was stymied by Hitler's obsession with land warfare, their aircraft development was torn to pieces by stupidity on behalf of Goering and in-fighting between Messerschmitt and Heinkel, even the armoured technology suffered from obsessions about size rather than effectiveness in specific scenarios.

For Hitler in 1941, manpower and technology were not a major problem, oil always was. Germany failed because of idiocy in the ruling hierarchy, not a bad thing of course, this allowed enough breathing space for the allies to hit Germany where it really hurt... on as many fronts as possible; Africa was a prime example - no real strategic gain at that stage but lots of resources tied up instead of fighting in the East.

America's contribution should not be denigrated and certainly the input of it's men should be remembered for the sacrifice it entailed, however, the war *had* been running for around 3 years before America was obliged to switch from improving its economy under the lend-lease agreement and enter the European theatre of war as a result of the Axis declaring war on America, late in 1941. Britain was saved by virtue of being an island, not necessarily by American intervention.

[edit on 3-8-2008 by SugarCube]

Part of nazi technolgy was used by US after WW2.

reply to post by reconpilot


yes, dave mustaine. hes the reason i started playing guitar. hes the best if you ask me.

yeah i have actually had a couple opportunities to ask a few questions from retired military, my co worker is a retired marine. he was a sniper, he told me about some things he saw while in the bush. i asked him if our military had anything that could move the way he described, he laughed.......not a chance in hell. i asked a few questions and he wouldnt really answer. but after awhile he realized i wasnt going to run my mouth about it, so he opened up a little. i said you know more than youre telling dont you, he said well.......maybe i know a little more. he still hasnt told me what that little more is. but like you said i didnt push him, maybe he will tell me sometime.

i completely respect the fact that some people have more at stake by telling these things, so i wont push anyone for info. however i have gained trust of a few military people, both active and retired. havent been thrown too many bones yet, but in time i think they will open up a little.

i gotta tell you guys, i have never really been in communication with australian's before, i have to say you guys and gals are the most straight forward people i have ever communicated with
maybe i want to move down their now

unfortunately i dont have alot of experience in what you guys are discussing, but i like reading it, so im curious where this thread goes. sorry i cant be more productive.

peace

reply to post by SugarCube


British counterintelligence played Hitler brilliantly .this was helped by bletchley parks code breaking a great deal . A tyrant is never more vulnerable to suggestion than when he thinks complete victory is in his grasp .
The dambusters raid was all about destroying a huge underground manafacturing facility for advanced tech including a heavy water plant .
Hitlers failure to bring nuke armed v1,2,3's on line was a direct result of that raid . subsequent attempts to resurect his ultimate terror weapons were also foiled . As hitler once truthfully remarked , if only he had a few squadrons of mosquito's ,he would have won the war . I am very proud of the fact that one of my relatives designed that brilliant aircraft .
He bragged about his ultimate weapon frequently enough but did not deliver thanks to the internationals .

The fact that britain is an island certainly helped but I would disagree about it being the only factor in its survival .
The terms of lend lease was a bitter pill for most brits to swallow because it was leveraged by the appeasers who financed Hitler in the first place .
But then britain itself had its own fair share of treacherous appeasers too.

Treachery has no conception of honour or loyalty . Power is the only thing thats important .

reply to post by pureevil81


You know what the CIA does to delta force guys who have retired and seen to much ?

'Honey ,did you order Pizza ?'

Originally posted by reconpilot
reply to post by pureevil81

 

You know what the CIA does to delta force guys who have retired and seen to much ?

'Honey ,did you order Pizza ?'

i really dont know man. i have a clue, but im not sure.

www.freedomdomain.com...

these are the terra papers. im curious to know what you think. so when or if you get time check it out.