When did Obama STOP doing drugs?

Originally posted by MockedUnicorn
I HOPE he still does them and fights like hell to get the prohibitions lifted on them! All that it is going to do is make drugs easier to get at a better quality and not dangerous,. for that matter. I would rather see a coke head buy a gram from a pharmacy than kill someone over a poor quality product that will kill them anyway.

As for pot, there is NO reason it should be illegal in the first place.

I'm definitely opposed to heavy drug regulations, but I don't agree with people who seem to think there are more reasons for marijuana to be legal than other illicit drugs. I'd argue that coc aine is a much better candidate for legalization than pot because it does not impair your ability to operate a motor vehicle or other machinery in the manner that marijuana does. Pot can make it practically impossible to drive safely, and since it can be as long as a month since the last time you used that drug before it ceases to show up in a drug test, it is impossible for police officers attempting to make a DUI arrest to know if the driver was actually impaired by marijuana at the time.

On the other hand, while it's easier to overdose and harm yourself on coc aine, that drug does not cause its user to become a risk to the public. That's why it ought to be decriminalized first.

As far as Obama, I don't know if he's still on drugs (it wouldn't surprise me), but I bet anyone who would support him is totally fried.

Originally posted by EverythingYouDespise

As far as Obama, I don't know if he's still on drugs (it wouldn't surprise me), but I bet anyone who would support him is totally fried.

Heh... quite a comical way to generalize about "anyone who would support" Obama.

So we're all high? Is that it?

Originally posted by Quazga
Heh... quite a comical way to generalize about "anyone who would support" Obama.

So we're all high? Is that it?

Uh..i'm actually a little high right now. oops! But i don't support Obama. Whatever could THAT mean?

As far as which drugs should be legalized first (if any), I don't have any answers. I'd be hesitant to legalize coc aine for any reason, however, because it can be pretty easy to overdose and die. I've never met anyone who overdosed on marijuanna before, you?

Just as an observation, Bill Clinton was probably the first president to admit to doing drugs, although he was too much of a pussy to step up and admit it. Say what you will about George Bush, but at least he's not afraid to say he used to drink and do some coke. Now it's between McCain who probably smoked that kind bud in the jungles of Vietnam, or Obama who did a little blow when he was hanging out in college.

Drugs used to be prevailant and accepted, you know. Maybe it's just coming back around.

Originally posted by RRconservative
Anyway in Obama's own book he tells of his adventures with drugs, but never mentioned the steps he took, or the travails of his quitting experience. Which begs the question...(again) when did he stop using drugs?

He didn't go into great detail, but he did say when he quit, according to this article.

Obama wrote in his autobiography, Dreams from My Father (Crown, 1995), that he "stopped getting high" shortly after moving to New York City to attend Columbia University as an undergraduate.

From Dreams From My Father (Page 120):

When Sadik lost his own lease, we moved in together. And after a few months of closer scrutiny, he began to realize that the city had indeed had an effect on me, although not the one he'd expected. I stopped getting high. I ran three miles a day and fasted on Sundays. For the first time in years, I applied myself to my studies and started keeping a journal of daily reflections and very bad poetry. Whenever Sadik tried to talk me into hitting a bar, I'd beg off with some tepid excuse, too much work or not enough cash.

First reported allegation in Corsi's Obama attack book is false

It took google only 0.3 seconds to find this, but for someone not looking for the truth, that's too much trouble.

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that seems to be the problem with some people

they attribute their word to this discussion liek we should treat it as gold


when asked for reference to back up thier claim

nothing


Obama is not the prick conservatives paint him out to be.

If we're going to talk about personal lives


he hasnt cheated on his current wife
He didnt dump his crippled wife who support his family while he was in a POW camp

He didnt cheat on his cripled wife with his current wife while he was still married to his ex-wife


He doesnt bash his wife and call her vulgar names

he doesnt joke about beating his wife

he doesnt use racial and vulgar terms to describe people of a different race

he doesnt use homophobic terms to joke with his buddies

he doesnt vote against civil rights movement leaders like MLk to be recognized for his achievements in a federal holiday

he doesnt vote against benefits for veterans

and he doesnt lie about his military record and try to keep it a secret from the eyes of a curious public body.



Do i need to say more?

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We also know that Obama was supposed to stop smoking cigarettes as a condition to his wife to run for President.

He couldn't stop the cigarettes after he promised to quit. Another flip-flop?

blogs.abcnews.com...

ABC News' Sunlen Miller Reports: Senator Barack Obama told reporters in St. Louis today that he has fallen off the wagon and smoked cigarettes in the last few months.

Watch the VIDEO HERE.

The presumptive Democratic nominee has been open about his smoking past: Once a heavy smoker, he publicly gave up the habit, per his wife’s request, to run for president.

Since quitting, Obama has indicated in the past that he has “fallen off the wagon” but before today was not specific about how recent his smoking was.

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So addiction to a legal substance is now a bad thing?
Smokers are evil people who don't deserve the POTUS?



Is that your best argument against Obama? Is that what things have come to?

Im going to venture a guess here.

If you were Barack Obama, and had to put up with people like RRconservative, Rush Limbaugh, John McCain, and Sean Hannity....

you'd probably smoke too

[edit on 8/10/2008 by Andrew E. Wiggin]

Originally posted by Andrew E. Wiggin

Is that your best argument against Obama? Is that what things have come to?

Far from the best...if I came up with a list of arguements against Obama it would probably be around 200 on the list.

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And so far, all you've given us the following

• He smokes
  
• He's too black
  
• He's not black enough
  
• He's too christian
  
• He's not christian enough
  
• He's a closet Muslim
  
• He's not Muslim enough
  
• He's not an American Citizen
  
• Wait, yes he is! He's a dual citizen
  
• Black people will riot because of Obama...because he is black, and they are black, and because they're both black, they'll riot....
  
• His wife is anti american (but i cant back that up)
  
• He's backed by terrorists (but i cant back that up)
  
  

Havent seen anything on Barack Obama the politician. All i've seen is garbage on Barack Obama the fairytale. Unsubstantiated garbage posted in the form of actual importance. A facade.

The bad thing about a phoney facade?
When the facade is made of wet paper towels, its' too easy to rip apart.

[edit on 8/10/2008 by Andrew E. Wiggin]

OK, why don't you provide something on Barrack Obama the politician?

I know he has a long and distinguished record. Tell me, what has he accomplished?

He's not really the most liberal, inexperienced member of the Senate, is he? Does he take a firm stand on the issues, or is his every move calculated with political expediency in mind? He can speak very eloquently without a teleprompter, non?

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Like this????
National Security Policy

1. McCain thought Bush’s warrantless-wiretap program circumvented the law; now he believes the opposite.

2. McCain insisted that everyone, even “terrible killers,” “the worst kind of scum of humanity,” and detainees at Guantanamo Bay, “deserve to have some adjudication of their cases,” even if that means “releasing some of them.” McCain now believes the opposite.

3. He opposed indefinite detention of terrorist suspects. When the Supreme Court reached the same conclusion, he called it “one of the worst decisions in the history of this country.”

4. In February 2008, McCain reversed course on prohibiting waterboarding.

5. McCain was for closing the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay before he was against it.

6. When Barack Obama talked about going after terrorists in Pakistani mountains with predators, McCain criticized him for it. He’s since come to the opposite conclusion.

Foreign Policy

7. McCain was for kicking Russia out of the G8 before he was against it. Now, he’s for it again.

8. McCain supported moving “towards normalization of relations” with Cuba. Now he believes the opposite.

9. McCain believed the U.S. should engage in diplomacy with Hamas. Now he believes the opposite.

10. McCain believed the U.S. should engage in diplomacy with Syria. Now he believes the opposite.

11. McCain is both for and against a “rogue state rollback” as a focus of his foreign policy vision.

12. McCain used to champion the Law of the Sea convention, even volunteering to testify on the treaty’s behalf before a Senate committee. Now he opposes it.

13. McCain was against divestment from South Africa before he was for it.

Military Policy

14. McCain recently claimed that he was the “greatest critic” of Rumsfeld’s failed Iraq policy. In December 2003, McCain praised the same strategy as “a mission accomplished.” In March 2004, he said, “I’m confident we’re on the right course.” In December 2005, he said, “Overall, I think a year from now, we will have made a fair amount of progress if we stay the course.”

15. McCain has changed his mind about a long-term U.S. military presence in Iraq on multiple occasions, concluding, on multiple occasions, that a Korea-like presence is both a good and a bad idea.

16. McCain was against additional U.S. forces in Afghanistan before he was for it.

17. McCain said before the war in Iraq, “We will win this conflict. We will win it easily.” Four years later, McCain said he knew all along that the war in Iraq war was “probably going to be long and hard and tough.”

18. McCain has repeatedly said it’s a dangerous mistake to tell the “enemy” when U.S. troops would be out of Iraq. In May, McCain announced that most American troops would be home from Iraq by 2013.

19. McCain was against expanding the GI Bill before he was for it.

20. McCain staunchly opposed Obama’s Iraq withdrawal timetable, and even blasted Mitt Romney for having referenced the word during the GOP primaries. In July, after Iraqi officials endorsed Obama’s policy, McCain said a 16-month calendar sounds like “a pretty good timetable.”

Domestic Policy

21. McCain defended “privatizing” Social Security. Now he says he’s against privatization (though he actually still supports it.)

22. On Social Security, McCain said he would not, under any circumstances, raise taxes. Soon after, asked about a possible increase in the payroll tax, McCain said there’s “nothing that’s off the table.”

23. McCain wanted to change the Republican Party platform to protect abortion rights in cases of rape and incest. Now he doesn’t.

24. McCain supported storing spent nuclear fuel at Yucca Mountain in Nevada. Now he believes the opposite.

25. He argued the NRA should not have a role in the Republican Party’s policy making. Now he believes the opposite.

26. In 1998, he championed raising cigarette taxes to fund programs to cut underage smoking, insisting that it would prevent illnesses and provide resources for public health programs. Now, McCain opposes a $0.61-per-pack tax increase, won’t commit to supporting a regulation bill he’s co-sponsoring, and has hired Philip Morris’ former lobbyist as his senior campaign adviser.

27. McCain is both for and against earmarks for Arizona.

28. McCain’s first mortgage plan was premised on the notion that homeowners facing foreclosure shouldn’t be “rewarded” for acting “irresponsibly.” His second mortgage plan took largely the opposite position.

29. McCain went from saying gay marriage should be allowed, to saying gay marriage shouldn’t be allowed.

30. McCain opposed a holiday to honor Martin Luther King, Jr., before he supported it.

31. McCain was anti-ethanol. Now he’s pro-ethanol.

32. McCain was both for and against state promotion of the Confederate flag.

33. In 2005, McCain endorsed intelligent design creationism, a year later he said the opposite, and a few months after that, he was both for and against creationism at the same time.

34. And on gay adoption, McCain initially said he’d rather let orphans go without families, then his campaign reversed course, and soon after, McCain reversed back.

35. In the Senate, McCain opposed a variety of measures on equal pay for women, and endorsed the Supreme Court’s Ledbetter decision. In July, however, McCain said, “I’m committed to making sure that there’s equal pay for equal work. That … is my record and you can count on it.”

36. McCain was against fully funding the No Child Left Behind Act before he was for it.

37. McCain was for affirmative action before he was against it.

Economic Policy

38. McCain was against Bush’s tax cuts for the very wealthy before he was for them.

39. John McCain initially argued that economics is not an area of expertise for him, saying, “I’m going to be honest: I know a lot less about economics than I do about military and foreign policy issues; I still need to be educated,” and “The issue of economics is not something I’ve understood as well as I should.” He now falsely denies ever having made these remarks and insists that he has a “very strong” understanding of economics.

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And this???.....
40. McCain vowed, if elected, to balance the federal budget by the end of his first term. Soon after, he decided he would no longer even try to reach that goal. And soon after that, McCain abandoned his second position and went back to his first.

41. McCain said in 2005 that he opposed the tax cuts because they were “too tilted to the wealthy.” By 2007, he denied ever having said this, and falsely argued that he opposed the cuts because of increased government spending.

42. McCain thought the estate tax was perfectly fair. Now he believes the opposite.

43. McCain pledged in February 2008 that he would not, under any circumstances, raise taxes. Specifically, McCain was asked if he is a “‘read my lips’ candidate, no new taxes, no matter what?” referring to George H.W. Bush’s 1988 pledge. “No new taxes,” McCain responded. Two weeks later, McCain said, “I’m not making a ‘read my lips’ statement, in that I will not raise taxes.”

44. McCain has changed his entire economic worldview on multiple occasions.

45. McCain believes Americans are both better and worse off economically than they were before Bush took office.

Energy Policy

46. McCain supported the moratorium on coastal drilling ; now he’s against it.

47. McCain recently announced his strong opposition to a windfall-tax on oil company profits. Three weeks earlier, he was perfectly comfortable with the idea.

48. McCain endorsed a cap-and-trade policy with a mandatory emissions cap. In mid-June, McCain announced he wants the caps to voluntary.

49. McCain explained his belief that a temporary suspension of the federal gas tax would provide an immediate economic stimulus. Shortly thereafter, he argued the exact opposite.

50. McCain supported the Lieberman/Warner legislation to combat global warming. Now he doesn’t.

51. McCain was for national auto emissions standards before he was against them.

Immigration Policy

52. McCain was a co-sponsor of the DREAM Act, which would grant legal status to illegal immigrants’ kids who graduate from high school. In 2007, he announced his opposition to the bill. In 2008, McCain switched back.

53. On immigration policy in general, McCain announced in February 2008 that he would vote against his own bill.

54. In April, McCain promised voters that he would secure the borders “before proceeding to other reform measures.” Two months later, he abandoned his public pledge, pretended that he’d never made the promise in the first place, and vowed that a comprehensive immigration reform policy has always been, and would always be, his “top priority.”

Judicial Policy and the Rule of Law

55. McCain said he would “not impose a litmus test on any nominee.” He used to promise the opposite.

56. McCain’s position was that the telecoms should be forced to explain their role in the administration’s warrantless surveillance program as a condition for retroactive immunity. He used to believe the opposite.

57. McCain went from saying he would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade to saying the exact opposite.

58 In June, McCain rejected the idea of a trial for Osama bin Laden, and thought Obama’s reference to Nuremberg was a misread of history. A month later, McCain argued the exact opposite position.

Campaign, Ethics, and Lobbying Reform

59. McCain supported his own lobbying-reform legislation from 1997. Now he doesn’t.

60. In 2006, McCain sponsored legislation to require grassroots lobbying coalitions to reveal their financial donors. In 2007, after receiving “feedback” on the proposal, McCain told far-right activist groups that he opposes his own measure.

61. McCain supported a campaign-finance bill, which bore his name, on strengthening the public-financing system. In June 2007, he abandoned his own legislation.

62. In May 2008, McCain approved a ban on lobbyists working for his campaign. In July 2008, his campaign reversed course and said lobbyists could work for his campaign.

Politics and Associations

63. McCain wanted political support from radical televangelist John Hagee. Now he doesn’t. (He also believes his endorsement from Hagee was both a good and bad idea.)

64. McCain wanted political support from radical televangelist Rod Parsley. Now he doesn’t.

65. McCain says he considered and did not consider joining John Kerry’s Democratic ticket in 2004.

66. McCain is both for and against attacking Barack Obama over his former pastor at his former church.

67. McCain criticized TV preacher Jerry Falwell as “an agent of intolerance” in 2002, but then decided to cozy up to the man who said Americans “deserved” the 9/11 attacks.

68. In 2000, McCain accused Texas businessmen Sam and Charles Wyly of being corrupt, spending “dirty money” to help finance Bush’s presidential campaign. McCain not only filed a complaint against the Wylys for allegedly violating campaign finance law, he also lashed out at them publicly. In April, McCain reached out to the Wylys for support.

69. McCain was against presidential candidates campaigning at Bob Jones University before he was for it.

70. McCain decided in 2000 that he didn’t want anything to do with former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, believing he “would taint the image of the ‘Straight Talk Express.’” Kissinger is now the Honorary Co-Chair for his presidential campaign in New York.

71. McCain believed powerful right-wing activist/lobbyist Grover Norquist was “corrupt, a shill for dictators, and (with just a dose of sarcasm) Jack Abramoff’s gay lover.” McCain now considers Norquist a key political ally.

72. McCain was for presidential candidates giving speeches in foreign countries before he was against it.
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I'm tired of the vague generalizations that are being used with no substance to back them up. If you guys don't like Obama.....FRIGGIN' GREAT!
But, using stupid little non-issues as "evidence" really is starting to make me think these conversations are entirely pointless. So please everyone, for the sake of not making yourselves look like idiots.....please, please, please....
Stop trying to call your rumors and opinions "evidence" or "proof", because it's not.

While everyone here seems content to speculate on what Obama may or may not have done, there is historical evidence about Cindy McCain's drug addiction! Let's not forget that if the Republican nominee is elected, there will be an addict in the White House.

Overcoming scandal, moving on

Mrs. McCain (the second one, the first Mrs. McCain's only sin was to become crippled in a car accident, apparently) not only hid a drug addiction from everyone, she volunteered for a Medical Aid organization simply for access to these drugs, which she promptly stole in numbers large enough to cause the federal authorities to present her with an ultimatum: seek treatment or go to jail.

How many "average citizens" would have love to have been given that choice!

reply to post by joe70353

While everyone here seems content to speculate on what Obama may or may not have done,

What are you talking about? Obama admitted to it in his book!

Whats funny is that most of us only bring it up, because of the way you guys on the left wouldn't shut up about Bush's alleged use for 7 years! Now that its turned around, we are all told to stop and be nice. Give me a break!

You guys are reaping what you sowed.

[edit on 11-8-2008 by Dronetek]

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Sorry, Dronetek. I was unclear. "...may or may not have done" was meant to refer to the question posed in an earlier post: "He never said he quit drugs, so maybe he's still using."

I wasn't trying to deny that Obama ever did drugs. Of course he admitted to it almost on Day 1 of the campaign. Everyone remembers him saying, "I inhaled...That was the point."

Sorry for being vague in my post.

[edit on 11-8-2008 by joe70353]

reply to post by Dronetek


Ok....beside the "misstatement" at the beginning.....
What about the dope fiend first lady in waiting???? Got any problems with her?

reply to post by Grafilthy


No, but here I am with a choice between two crappy candidates. I'm forced to go with what I see to be the superior leader.

reply to post by intrepid


Right on Intrepid thanks for posting a little reality.

Smokes harder to kick than Heroine!

And yes Obama on drugs would be quite evident.

All in all this is about making him look bad. The man who wrote the book in question digs for any possible angle to chip away at his victims. This is trash.

On Fox & Friends, Corsi contradicted his own book with another false claim

Summary: In The Obama Nation, Jerome Corsi writes that Sen. Barack Obama "has yet to answer" the question of whether "he stopped using marijuana and coc aine completely in college." But on Fox & Friends, Jerome Corsi contradicted that assertion, stating that Obama "fully admitted his drug use, both marijuana and coc aine. He says it continued through college." In fact, both of Corsi's allegations are false; Obama wrote in his memoir that he "stopped getting high" shortly after moving to New York City to attend Columbia University as an undergraduate.

This guy....your source......is a fat, bigoted, LIAR!!

During the August 5 edition of Fox News' Fox & Friends, Fox News contributor Bob Beckel said to Jerome Corsi, author of the recently released book The Obama Nation: Leftist Politics and the Cult of Personality: "This book is full of innuendos, misstatements, lies. He says -- Mr. Corsi says, 'It's 300 pages, 600 footnotes, and I stand by every statement in this book.' Let me see if you stand by some of these statements, Doctor: 'Obama never revealed if or when he stopped using drugs.' That's a lie. The truth is that he said in his own book Dreams From My Father that he stopped when he got into college." As Media Matters for America documented, a July 30 WorldNetDaily.com article about author Jerome Corsi's forthcoming book, The Obama Nation: Leftist Politics and the Cult of Personality (Threshold Editions), asserted that the book "points out" that "Barack Obama admitted using drugs in his autobiography but never revealed if or when he stopped." In his book, Corsi falsely claimed that "Obama has yet to answer" the question of whether "he stopped using marijuana and coc aine completely in college." But on Fox & Friends, Corsi contradicted his book's false claim by making another false claim, saying, "He fully admitted his drug use, both marijuana and coc aine. He says it continued through college."

In fact, Obama did not "say[] it continued through college"; he wrote in his memoir, Dreams From My Father (Crown, 1995), that he "stopped getting high" shortly after moving to New York City to attend Columbia University as an undergraduate, following two years at Occidental College.

During a subsequent discussion, Beckel said to Corsi, "You said that Barack Obama supported a bill that allowed mothers to kill their babies even after they were born. Now, were they gonna use knives, guns, or how were they gonna do that? And do you actually believe that to be true?" Corsi responded, "Well, it's true," and asserted that "Obama, on the floor of the Illinois state Senate, said that woman had an absolute right to abortion, to kill the baby even if it survived that abortion." In fact, during the floor debate on the bill Corsi was discussing -- which opponents said was unnecessary, as the Illinois criminal code unequivocally prohibits killing children, and said that it posed a threat to abortion rights -- Obama never said any such thing, as Media Matters noted in response to similar false claims by Corsi in several media appearances.

He's pretty much a hateful bastard, and the world would be a better place for him to be dead. I can't wait actually...
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