UFO's may use sound to get around.

reply to post by Fuggle


Yup equal but opposite. We need to find someone who knows how different propulsion MIGHT work in a vaccum with no gravity without expelling a material.

I am certain resonance works in a vaccum because you can play a guitar in a vaccuum. You might not hear the sound, but the strings vibrate. Thats resonance.

Thanks for your input though. You definitely have me thinking in the right terms.

I hear ya, but nobody's going to hear that guitar...and nothing's going to react to it (in a vacuum)...unless you put your jawbone or chin against it.

You can smack me with a wet mackerel now and I'll shut up.

reply to post by Fuggle


Yeah, as I read into it more, I think it has less to do with the reaction of the things around it and more to do with it breaking the electromagnetic field. This would take immense vibration for large objects, but maybe its possible. I have heard that you can even use beams of light to resonate an object. Man I wish we had a physicist.

No need to shut up, my mind is literally tied in knots now, I think I have dried the well as far as my ability to comprehend this.

research, guys...

Carr was most definitely NOT a quack, just like Tesla was not a loon or a crazy person. Tesla was only slandered against by the jealous Edison who knew Tesla was the better scientist, but Edison made the money because Tesla's ideas were based off the free energy that the natural environment gives us every single moment. when Tesla went to J.P. Morgan to sell his free energy ideas, Morgan refused them because there was no money to be made from them. this is where Edison excelled, inventing products that could be used based on existing energy supplies, like fossil fuels - where all the money's at... and we all know what society has taught us - that money is power, which is why Tesla, the most important scientist OF ALL TIME, is practically still unknown to this day!

a man named Ralph Ring worked with Otis T. Carr, and studied acoustic levitation as well as many other lesser known areas of science. just about all the information you'll need is right here, including an interview:

www.projectcamelot.org...

i'd like to know what everyone thinks! personally, it all makes perfect sense, and it would seem that those who don't believe, don't want to believe. ignorance truly is bliss, because sometimes the truth hurts..

"My flying machine will have neither wings nor propellers. You might see it on the ground and you would never guess that it was a flying machine. Yet it will be able to move at will through the air in any direction with perfect safety."

Nikola Tesla, interviewed in The New York Herald Tribune, October 15, 1911

wireless electricity, ball lightning, flying saucers, oh my!

reply to post by adrenochrome


Thanks, Adrenochrome.

I've never heard of Carr (and I never thought of Tesla as a loon or crazy), but I'll check out your link.

Thanks for posting it!

F

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yeah no problem! here's some more videos of acoustic levitation:

www.youtube.com...
www.youtube.com...
and they levitate water here!!!

..and i'm sure it won't hurt to post this link again:
watch the interview!

and for those that think it's not possible to travel outside of Earth's atmosphere in this "flying machine", read Otis T. Carr's interview on that page...

...
OTC: We don't have a problem of thermal barriers because the electro-magnetic system sets up a protective shield in our craft which enables us to overcome this barrier without any discomfort to the occupants inside the craft. And we can very slowly rise, and once we are outside the atmosphere, we can accelerate to tremendous velocities up to the speed of light itself.
...

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Please read:

The craft does not move through space, it stretches space around it.

ie: It anchors itself in a fixed position and pulls where it wants to be to it and then lets go. It never traveled at any speed. This is how you can exceed the speed of light. It's an optical illusion to the outside observer.

No, I have not built a UFO, only seen one hover and then dart away leaving a streak of light. When you see for yourself the fashion in which the streak of light is made you will understand.

Also, since you are interested in sound wave and vibration. Look into "cavitation", it is very interesting. It can break water molecules and produce 2000 degree heat within the bubbles. The pistol shrimp is an example of this in nature.

Type in "cymatics" in a youtube search and watch those videos as well.

Lol!

So how will the 'UFO's' move through space, considering space is a vacuum so no sound waves can travel or resonate anything in space.

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Sound in the sense of vibration. UFO are controlled by thoughts

"What's the frequncy Kenneth" *REM.

Hey guys!

Just skimmed through this...
And there is a solution to the energy problem!
Ok according to Bob Lazar(claims to have worked on alien vehicles)
The alien craft run on the nuclear energy 116(something like that)
Not only is this an extremely powerful energy, the engine is extremely efficient!
Barely using any of the material allowing for extremely long travel!
Hope that helps!

Sincerely,
joshedis

reply to post by adrenochrome


First, let me tell you I appreciate the contribution to the convo. I believe in Tesla and I think his science is dying a undeserved, uninformed death.

However, I will still question where he was going. I think that science is such a liquid idea that there will be many forms of reality to play around with. To say one reality is the only way to exist seems silly.

I'll say it in a different way. I think there are many equations to the same answer. There's many math's to the same science. There are many rhymes to the reason.

So basically, I cannot give him all the credit, but I think he figured out something that we are still trying to explain.

If this is his idea, I think he was on to something. But where is that last part of the equation that makes it accesible to us?

New member; First Post ; Hi Everyone!!

Ok, first, I'm certainly no physicist, so this may be a load of crap but:

Assuming magnetic waves can vibrate, which I'm sure they can, you could propel something, kinda like a squid propels itself.

So, you tilt the craft and have a powerful magnet pointing opposite to the direction you want to go. Use the vibration to push the magnetic waves out giving a kind of propulsion?
Or possibly in reverse, and push the magnetic waves underneath the craft in the direction you want to go... kinda like surfing? (obviously, you'd have to match the resonance of the magnetic waves to make them vibrate, but that's for smarter people than me to figure out)

I guess though if the magnetic waves passed over something resonating at their frequency within the craft, it could set them resonating too. Kinda like when an opera singer would hit that mythical high note to set air vibrating, which in turn would shatter glass and windows by causing them to vibrate at that same frequency.


I just looked into what I was thinking a little on Google and found this article;

NASA press release section on 'surfing magnetic waves'


It may be that you'd need some kind of a power source for inital propulsion, but could then use the magnetic waves to 'surf' along at crazy fast speeds, or slower speeds, depending on the vibration you caused, I guess.

I'll stop now because I really have no idea what I'm talking about... just a thought to add to an interesting discussion!

So this is a 'MAY'?

Hmmmmmmmmm.......

Maybe yes.... Maybe not....

I'm leaning more to the maybe not camp.

You know.... Because there isn't any proof and all......

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but going those speeds...wouldnt the craft need to be some sort of anti-grav to create its own artifical gravity...i thought thats what always stopped nasty gforce...id hate to be going 10,000mph in of those things...aynyway im no scientist,just a thought..but yes..maybe they could even bend and time and space via this method...resonate atoms or....something...

Originally posted by AntisepticSkeptic
So this is a 'MAY'?

Hmmmmmmmmm.......

Maybe yes.... Maybe not....

I'm leaning more to the maybe not camp.

You know.... Because there isn't any proof and all......

[edit on 31-7-2008 by AntisepticSkeptic]

Its been proven by NASA (see link in my last post) that particles use magnetic waves to 'surf' up to high speeds in space.
So the technique HAS proof... no-one can give you proof of anything larger than a particle using this form of transport!


EDIT:

A little off topic, but if electromagnetism were used, it would explain why a lot of reported abductees claim they have amnesia afterwards.
Studies like these:

Electromagnetism = amnesia

Show that exposure to electromagnetism can cause amnesia. I haven't looked into this much, but for such a quick search to bring stuff like that up, its certainly worth thinking about!


[edit on 31/7/08 by axehappy]

So what you are saying that sound waves can travel through outer space/vacuum?

It seems you are confusing electomagnetic 'waves' with sound 'waves'.

[edit on 31-7-2008 by AntisepticSkeptic]

Originally posted by AntisepticSkeptic
So what you are saying that sound waves can travel through outer space/vacuum?

Nope. Not sound waves, magnetic waves caused by a magnetic field. There are no sound waves involved in this at all, just vibration. The 'sound' would be generated inside the craft, which would vibrate an object at a certain frequency. The magnetic waves would probably pass over this object, and also vibrate at that frequency at which point they would leave the craft.

Magnetic waves CAN travel through outer space, and would still be vibrating at whatever frequency they had been set to inside the craft.

The craft would then 'surf' these magnetic waves to achieve higher speeds.

At least, that's how I would imagine something like that to work. I'm not a physicist.


EDIT:

Here's a VERY crude drawing I just put together to show basically what I mean.

Again, I'm just posting thoughts, and I am not a scientist. If all of this is ridiculous, please don't laugh at me !

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This is the simplest, most important information in the operation of a UFO.

en.wikipedia.org...