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AB: How does Grandfather feel about the accuracy of the word that has been handed down? Many people dispute the Bible and whether or not IT is accurate. With regard to Hopi prophecy, how does HE feel about the accuracy of the prophecy?
GF2: [Asks?] From the time when (?) was the chief, he had been carrying this message. But mainly the message had been carried forth by word of mouth. The accuracy had to deal with how well each individual that was given the opportunity to maintain the exactness of the prophecies. They were all given this prophecy, so they all had to meet at least once or twice a year, in the Kivas, where they would actually sit down and go back through that. One person would talk about the prophecies, and if he ever so much as added something to it or left something out, then the rest of the group would know that part of the prophecies was missing. So, they would tell him, "Well, you didn't say this one here," or "You added this to it." So, that is how this was kept alive through word of mouth and everyone had to remember just what those prophecies were about.
Originally posted by Hollywood11
Archaeologists and anthropologists, by the nature of their training, are trained in a way that renders them incapable of understanding ancient cultures and what happened in the past.
For example, they are taught to assign a "ritualistic" or "superstitous" purpose to any ancient artifact they find.
They are taught that all ancient people were stupid and intellectually inferior to people today, and that all they did was believe in superstitons .
Another issue is that archaeologists believe that if a tradition is strictly an oral traditon and was never written down, it must be all made up and pure bull#. They don't believe that it's possible for an oral tradition to be preserved for hundreds or thousands of years intact. If it's not written, then it's fake, is what they believe.
Yet some ancient people kept their oral traditions intact better than written records could be even. They have many ways of doing this. The hopi people here explain how they preserve their heritage and their ancestors traditions
www.atlantis.to...
But archaeologists don't want to admit that the people themselves understand their own past much better than an archaeologist trained in limited western misunderstandings of how things work is capable of. Admitting the truth would shatter their Church Of Progress religous beliefs and destroy the notion that they are knowledgable about anything compared to ancient people's knowledge.
Originally posted by Hollywood11
Gourd of Ashes Prophecy Rock is thousands of years old
www.youtube.com...
I see the "ancient people were too stupid to figure out (how to make a wheel, how to cast iron into a tower, how to do mass production of amulets, etc)" line from people who aren't into archaeology and anthropology. I haven't EVER seen an anthropologist claim this since about 1920
Originally posted by Byrd
I don't think you can back that up. For instance, if you just browse through any museum exhibit (like, say, the Hatshepsut one that came around recently or maybe Tut (who's coming around the US again)) you will find a lot of things that are identified as ordinary everyday household objects -- lots of cups and plates, statues that are portraits of specific people, etc. I like museums so I've seen museums with prehistoric Native American items that included whistles, bull-roarers, rabbit skin blankets, water jars, food baskets, carrying straps, gaming pebbles... and none of them were ever labeled as "superstitious" or "ritualistic." The arrowheads and spearpoints certainly aren't labeled ritualistic or supersititous, and lots of research is done on cutting implements (stone knives and the like) that show they're being used to cut up meat and dress skins.
So I don't think your claims are at all accurate.
Actually, they spend a lot of their time trying to teach people that the ancients were pretty darn smart and very sophisticated -- so there's lots of papers on engineering techniques and analyzing pottery firing and glazes and a whole branch of archaeology on weaving and fibers and so on and so forth.
line from people who aren't into archaeology and anthropology. I haven't EVER seen an anthropologist claim this since about 1920 (when the "theory of cultures" was overthrown by Franz Boaz).
Anthropologists who study the Aboriginal Dreamtime claim, in fact, that the oral tradition is very ancient and well over a thousand years old.
But other Hopi elders tell a different story. The story that these elders tell was a story that developed after the 1890's and the Ghost Dance revival that almost destroyed all the Native Americans. Much of the information in there dates to the "Blue Star Kachina" era, which was a prophecy that arose only when the tribes split -- one group following the new Christian ways and the others following the old ways.
I hope you will rethink this. Archaeologists don't actually study religions and religious practices. They just dig up stuff and identify it.
Here's just one of thousands of articles on this... from 1980, an anthropologist writes about trying to find justice for aborigines and trying to preserve their culture:
www.anthrosource.net...
Originally posted by Byrd
Originally posted by Hollywood11
Gourd of Ashes Prophecy Rock is thousands of years old
www.youtube.com...
Actually, it isn't. It's a modern fake.
Here's a professor's page. He studies rock art and ancient traditions among the Hopi. You can easily see that these genuinely old rock art panels are very differen than the rather lame scratchings at "prophecy rock" :
oak.ucc.nau.edu...
Prophecy Rock isn't Art, it's a prophecy
Originally posted by Hanslune
Howdy Hollywood
Prophecy Rock isn't Art, it's a prophecy
Hans: Show us how you know that Hollywood. Take us thru the criteria and observations you use to determine that.