Is this real UFO footage?

reply to post by Anonymous ATS

Hmmm...Nope, not near any guard bases. But good try. I live here remember??? I know every military base in Indiana, because, this is my home state.

The closest base is at Crane (NWSC) and that is about an hour away. The military is not allowed to do training exercises over populated areas, especially fully loaded...but, Good try again.

My father used to work for this military installation, so, I think I would have a better idea than someone like you on their functions. Something tells me that you may not have any idea about military functions at all, and your speculation shows your inexperience.

And this was not the beginning or the end of their surveillance, therefore, again...you have fallen short of understanding the full scale of this situation. But, you must know better than I because obviously, you live in my skin. And as far as "REAL EVIDENCE"...What will you need to prove it real??? Would it take me being shot by the military??? Would it take an alien ship landing on the White House lawn??? You still wouldn't believe it.

But, there's no convincing someone like you...therefore, its not necessary.

Thanks for your opinion, it was worth about a dime in a bucket of millions.

reply to post by Anonymous ATS


Hmmm...I'd like to see your credentials which make you an expert on military maneuvers. For instance...what is the exact "exercise" that is being ran in this particular video??? Since you consider this an exercise, I'd like to know the formation that they were using and the reasoning for performing this exercise for a year and a half to two years after my recording of this event??? By the way...I'm no bull#ter, I have all the DVD's and evidence to prove my claims. Unlike you...I'd imagine.

Just so you know...the military is forbidden to do exercises over populated areas. The fact that you didn't know this informs me that you're not quite aware of the functionings of the military. And...exactly what is it that the military does to intimidate others??? Are you aware of this, and since you're more of an expert than I, please tell me how the military chooses to intimidate people that isn't displayed in this video???

Secondly...since you didn't read it before in earlier posts, Crane (NWSC) is about an hour from my home to the west. My father used to work as an industrial engineer for this complex. They have thousands of acres of their own land that they test on, making it quite improbable that they would travel 50-60 miles to test on my land, coincidentally one day after I filmed some anomalous activity.

Guys like you love to debunk, but have no experiences of your own to draw from. Since you're used to bull#ting the public, you automatically believe that others intend to do the same thing. It's unfortunate. A UFO could land on the White House lawn, abduct our president and do a public anal probe on him, and you would think that video experts learned how to CGI reality.

Thanks for your post, and until you learn more about military functions...please don't comment back.

Originally posted by mike73173

Just so you know...the military is forbidden to do exercises over populated areas.

Who forbids it? There is not much the military is "forbidden" to do. Maybe you don't consider flying three feet apart at 400 mph over San Francisco "exercises".



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tird time i saw this..... UFO?

reply to post by Phage


NORAD and homeland security forbids it and new measures were taken after 911. Its called liability. If one of their aircrafts fail, or something drops onto a civilian area, then they are held accountable and could possibly be sued for any number of reasons involving neglect, manslaughter, "friendly fire" or worse.

That's the reason why you don't see the military doing exercises in populated areas. It doesn't happen. And the next time YOU see black helicopters doing exercises over populated areas, cities, or anywhere that has more than 100 people, film it and post it. I guarantee you it will be a rare video indeed.

I thought this was public knowledge. I guess I was wrong.

reply to post by chimbusha


I don't know if it is a UFO (alien aircraft), but, in the sense that it is unidentified, flying and an object, then yes.

To tell you the truth, I could not tell what it was because it was completely encompassed by light. Therefore, it was impossible to see the craft itself.

reply to post by Phage


That picture you have looks doctored to me. And more than likely...they were flying to their airbase. They have to come from somewhere to get to their location. Plus, your picture doesn't show them circling incessantly either. Looks to me like they're all heading in one direction.

Show me footage of them circling san fran, and then maybe I'll give you some credit. But, I highly doubt that footage like that exists.

And yes...there are plenty of sanctions against the military, unlike your last post, of rules that they must follow in this country. They are the same as anyone else in that respect.

reply to post by mike73173


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I live very near a marine corps base. Believe me, I wish they were not allowed to fly over my house. Especially at 1:00 am! They aren't black but they are helicopters. I've even inquired with the FAA, "I'm sorry sir, there is nothing we can do about it."
Military exercises are given many exemptions to FAA flight rules.

For example:

In consideration of the foregoing, I find that a grant of exemption, subject to certain conditions and limitations, is in the public interest. Therefore, pursuant to the authority contained in Section 307(e) of the Federal Aviation Act of 1958, as amended, delegated to me by the Administrator (14 CFR 11.53), the Department of the Army is hereby granted an exemption from the requirements of Section 91.209(a) and (b) of the FAR in order to conduct night flight military training operations without lighted position lights. However, the petitioner must comply with all of the following conditions and limitations when conducting operations pursuant to this exemption:

Source
This exemption was extended until January 1, 2009, at which time it will probably be extended again.

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I have seen the original video posted and it is very similar to a sighting I had in 2000. The precise date was September 26, 2000.

I was outside in my backyard and saw an extremely bright light that looked exactly like the one you filmed. It had that really bright flickery look to it and I saw it for about 4-5 seconds and it then it dimmed down to a point of light and shot off to the West and left a weird trail of what looked like red dust.

My question is how did the object in the original video disappear? It just seems to cut off at the end.

Another thing to add to my story is that I live near an airbase and about 20min after my sighting I saw jets flying in the direction that the UFO flew.

Also, roughly 1 month after the sighting, a black helicopter flew directly over my house while I was outside during the day. The helicopter was probly only 100-200 feet above me and as I saw it leaving I saw a purple "flash" come out of it.

I can't believe I read the whole thing!



You guys need to put on the gloves and take this outside. Bad ATSers

Now, what was this thread about?

reply to post by Phage


There's a difference between flying over your house to get from one location to another, and them circling your house incessantly. Since you live next to an airforce base, it makes sense that you hear them operating day and night as they come from one location to the next.

I, however, do not live next to an airforce base. The only military installation close enough is Crane (Naval Weapons Support Center) which is an hour west of where I live. They NEVER practiced military maneuvers there before this incident, and ironically, they stopped circling once I stopped filming any anomalous activities.

I know that everyone on Abovetopsecret fancies themselves as self-made experts, but, unless you experienced this stuff for yourself, it makes it hard for you to have an idea of what was occurring in my life during that time. I would be more than willing to let you live in my skin so that you can feel what it is like firsthand, but, since that is an impossibility, my video and word will have to suffice. If you don't believe it...fine. That suits your comfort zone, but, my comfort zone was invaded for quite some time, and no matter how you try to look at it from your perspective, its my perspective that is the most important for me.

reply to post by mike73173


Hey now.. not EVERYONE!

I admit there is alot I do not know.

Trust me anyone who has come out in the open about a sighting has been under the gun like this. I have been there myself.

Originally posted by mike73173
reply to post by Phage

 

That picture you have looks doctored to me. And more than likely...they were flying to their airbase. They have to come from somewhere to get to their location. Plus, your picture doesn't show them circling incessantly either. Looks to me like they're all heading in one direction.

It look to me like the Blue Angels giving an air show. Near where I live the military does similar things around the 4th of July every year including circling around in order to stay over the main show area. Furthermore, this sort of activity it is announced to the public since they want you to come by.

There is a military base nearby (approx. 20 miles away) and flights on normal days are usually roughly east or west depending upon whether they're coming or going. Various aircraft seem to use the same corridor over and over.

On one occasion only that I recall was there circling around my area not related an airshow (a CH-47 Chinook), otherwise it runs the straight path in and out.

I had seen some unusual-looking activity one time related to the base but binoculars ruled-out any strange craft involved.

reply to post by EnlightenUp


You are right.

Blue Angels in S.F. to perform for Fleet Week

And I don't think anyone considers that "exercises"...

reply to post by ArMaP


To say that the military is prohibited from certain activities (high speed, precision maneuvering, in tight formations, over populated areas, for example) , "exercises", is incorrect.

The point is that the military is frequently granted exemptions to flight rules. For airshows, for training, for who knows what else.

Originally posted by CaptGizmo
Here it is embedded in this thread to make it easier for some.

I still say they sound Baked

[edit on 7/29/2008 by CaptGizmo]

tbh is looks like they filmed this near an airport but goto 3.30 for the interesting part and to save your ears from awful music and commentry.
The way that the second object slips undernear the first object is very weird.
star and flag for the OP

reply to post by Phage


For airshows yes, however that is a whole separate issue...No disagreement there. But, the public is informed and the government makes these exemptions for those purposes.

reply to post by mike73173


What about the exemption I cited earlier, for night flying without lights? That's not for airshows and I doubt the public was informed, at least I don't recall hearing about it.

The airshow was an example of the military being allowed to carry out "prohibited" activities. As I said, there are few prohibited activities the military can't get around.

reply to post by dalek


I actually do apologize for the commentary and the radio. We were merely excited at the situation. But, I do want to state that in those situations adrenaline takes over and we all but forgot that the radio was on. However, we were not next to an airport at the time. We were on highway 37 slightly south of Martinsville Indiana, and just North of Bloomington, Indiana.

The airport would be off of 465W in Indianapolis which was still more than an hour away.

Also...one more note as I have stated before...we never referred to this object as a UFO one time during the event. We tried to reason the best we could, with the amount of adrenaline that we had, every logical explanation of what the object was while avoiding any extra-terrestrial references.

reply to post by Phage


Again...flying without lights at night is a bit different from Black helicopters showing up in broad daylight and circling one home in particular. You have only seen a small portion of the footage that I actually have. I chose to put only a small portion for a specific reason. I felt that the footage I put up was adequate enough to make my point. I didn't feel it necessary to post every single time the military circled my home with black helicopters.

And I want to stress, the only time the military ever showed up at that location was directly after I filmed anomalous events in the sky. After the footage that you have seen of mine on youtube in 2006, they continued to show up and circle my home for about a year and a half afterward, and they would only show up after I caught questionable footage.

I don't see this as a mere coincidence that every time I caught something on tape, the military was there directly afterward. As I said before, this was not a solitary isolated event. Indiana is known for its UFO activity. I cannot say that what I filmed was a UFO, because I could not determine that from the live experience or after reviewing the footage. But, it is rather odd that when I caught something on film, the military somehow automatically picked up on this and would coincidentally circle my home and my property.