Is this real UFO footage?

reply to post by HaveSeen4Myself


Thank you very much...I would love to talk more with the people who are open-minded enough to listen.

This post is in regards to the unatural movement by the helicopter as it approached the larger light. I don't recall anyone bringing up this notion earlier on in this thread..

Do you think this could be a good example of an antigravity mechanism?

I mean, if it were using antigravity, the craft would have to employ an antigravity field equal and opposite the force due to gravity thereby allowing the object to hover. In a normal situation, an object would be "attracted" to the source of the force due to gravity. You might then hypothesize that the same object would act as if it was being "repelled" by something utilizing antigravity mechanisms.

I think the helicopter's behavior at that moment supports these notions.



Anyone else?

One other thing...

I failed to mention that Nightvision AKA (Agentarmes) on youtube told me that he also had an experience with a "UFO" He told me that he disclosed all the information and told every detail.

I was wondering...have any of you heard this story??? Also, I was wondering if he had any video or audio evidence, along with pictures, to back the story???

Has anyone heard this???

I can post the thread so that everyone can see. What you are seeing below is exactly what he wrote. This is Nightvision's words.

Here it is:AGENTARMES has replied to your comment on UFO??? Bloomington, Indiana:
Wrong again. I have seen UFO's. But I never hide details of my experiences. Lemme guess..."I was abducted as a child?", right? Gimme a break.

You can reply back by visiting the comments page.


So...who has heard Nightvision's story. Is there any evidence to back this up???

reply to post by BuffaloJoe


As far as I'm concerned, that may be as good of an explanation as anything else that I have heard.

I'm willing to hear all theories.

Thank you for your post.

Nightvision...I am waiting for a reply on your experience and the UFO's you have seen.

Let me hear every detail. Do you have any video evidence or anything that shows that your forthcoming enough to prove this statement???

Just let me know when you're ready.

Welcome back, Mike, and also congratulations on your birthday! Just want to tell you that I think your video is very interesting, and I for one don't see anything in it that screams hoax.

I hope you in time will feel comfortable enough here at ATS to share your experiences with us. You can be sure that I will be listening if and when you do.

Take care.

reply to post by ziggystar60


Thank you very much. I appreciate that.

Oh...and if anyone needs me to forward that email that Nightvision sent me about him having UFO experiences, just hit me up...it's saved in my hotmail account.

Its as easy as click and go. That way there is no question as to whether is from him. As a matter of fact, I will take the time to forward our entire conversation...little details that he chose to leave out in its entirety when he was posting my quotes (you gotta love debunkers)...especially the part where he said it was "Great Footage". He kind of cut and pasted the things that he wanted to make look good for himself on this thread and fortunately, I'm a pretty meticulous guy that saves every little detail. It's a trait I learned when I was being harassed by the military.

I want the skeptics to have a look at some of his experiences that are probably not on tape and things that we're going to have to take his word for. But, keep in mind folks...HE MAY BE TELLING THE TRUTH.

Luke!!! I am your father...(such a great quote)

Write me back Nightvision. And I'll post the whole conversation for them to see. You don't have anything to hide...DO YOU???

Originally posted by BuffaloJoe
This post is in regards to the unatural movement by the helicopter as it approached the larger light. I don't recall anyone bringing up this notion earlier on in this thread..

Do you think this could be a good example of an antigravity mechanism?

I was wondering the same thing myslef. If you totally throw out the question of 'is this alien or military' and focus on the physics of the video I think you will see the real point of this thread. I wonder if this craft uses some kind of gravity propulsion and it is this propulsion device that causes the unnatural movement in the video. Could a device be made to distort light that travels to the camera as to shift the aparent position of the helicopter? Maybe the helicopter did not move, but the light traveling from the helicopter was bent by the larger unknown object. I am NOT totally ignoring the fact that this effect could be related to the camera zoom, but don't have enough knowledge of optics.

Has anyone ever run this video through a computer program to track the pixels. Can you tell how far away the object is in relation to the helicopter?

reply to post by mike73173


Lets get one thing straight: I NEVER emailed you once. So please lets stick to the facts, shall we?

Now you're trying to turn this into an online war to prove your credibility? I refuse to play that game. Not only that, you are posting our entire YouTube conversation to paint yourself as some kind of victim to my simple questions. This thread has fallen south like a duck in winter, but I will entertain your query about my UFO experiences.

Yes, I have seen UFO's. I have shared every last detail of my experience here and in other forums. To be honest, there really aren't any juicy details of my experiences that need be hid from anyone. I dont draw attention to myself by hiding anything. Thats the diff. between you and I my friend.If you or anyone wishes to ask any question, feel free.

The following has been stated as an account of my experience, but never touted as proof of anything. Nor have I made an attempt to prove it, as even a video or photo of this event could easily be faked with today's technology. If you don't believe me, I could care less. But for the sake of argument, here's my MUFON report:

On the evening of around June 5th, 1998 I was standing outside a music venue called "Skrappy's" in Tuscon AZ. I am still hazy on the date, but recall a well known band named Rocket From the Crypt was playing across town that night, so searching their tour records might shed some light on the exact date of the sighting.

At approximately 7:30pm AZ. time, I was staring up at the beautiful night sky outside the venue before the show. My body was facing west as I could see the last traces of light from the sunset that day. Out of the east, at an alarming rate of speed appeared a round ball of light a little brighter than your avg. star heading west. I could tell by my field of vision that it was at least 13,000 ft high and was not a bug flying a few feet over of me. It looked very out of place in the night sky due to its immense speed and trajectory, and thats what made me take notice.

It made an "s" like maneuver as it headed in a westerly direction until it was directly overhead at which time it stopped on a dime with almost no deceleration and made two perfect concentric circles about the size of a penny in a counter clock-wise motion. Then it instantly shot out in a curve like path all the way to the western part of the sky disappearing over the horizon into the sunset.

The complete length of time it took the object to traverse the whole scope and view of the sky from horizon east to horizon west was around 3-4 seconds. One can only speculate what that rate of speed is. There were a few other people standing outside around the area at the time, but due to the rate of speed of the sighting/craft, it was apparently only witnessed by me that night.

I know that the object was not a shooting star or meteor, as they do not move like that. As well, this object had no debris trail. It was not any helicopter or aircraft that I am aware of. That kind of acceleration/deceleration would kill any living being on board using our current human technology.

I did not see the object for the rest of the night. I feel it was not of earthly origin and was benevolent.

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reply to post by NightVision


Where is your pics? You gave me such crap for not having a camera ready and waiting.. where are your photo's?

Originally posted by NephraTari
reply to post by NightVision

 

Where is your pics? You gave me such crap for not having a camera ready and waiting.. where are your photo's?

1)If my sighting can't be proven, there's no need for pics.

2) According to you, the day of your sighting there were UFO sightings "thru the roof". Plenty of time for you to get a camera.

3) My sighting was roughly 3-4 sec. long. Hardly enough time to go to the glove box for the camera. Apparently this fact skipped you. May I suggest you read thoroughly next time.

You see, Nephra, there's a difference between my sighting and Mike's (and possibly yours). I dont demand belief or attention. Why do don't understand this concept is intriguing.



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reply to post by NightVision

Oh yes...You contacted me first little man. You prove it in one of your own posts. You came to my youtube and sent messages. These messages get saved into my personal Hotmail account and they are saved.

I don't see anything factual in the event that you described. I also don't see any proof of your personal experience, other than YOUR WORD. Give me one vid, or one witness who can back your events. I have mine, show me yours. Mine is on youtube for the world to see. I think I did pretty well for myself.

I think you're a hoaxer, which explains why you try to debunk other people. You seem too think everyone is just like you and makes up stories for attention.

I want evidence...so like you said, Let's stick to the facts.

reply to post by mike73173


Quite frankly Mike, there's no real evidence of either of our sightings. Don't you get it?

I posted a comment on your YouTube, not emailed you, so please, no need for lying.

So tell me then, why would the govt. single you out out of the hundreds of others who saw the lights that night?

Go ahead, avoid the question if you like...again

On a side note: If you're going to attempt to insult me, at least be original. I could sue you for plagiarism.



[edit on 1-8-2008 by NightVision]

reply to post by NightVision


I can now see that you're a liar amongst other things Nightvision. Here are your words...since you didn't' try to contact me. HOW WOULD I HAVE FOUND YOU???

I was minding my own business on youtube when you stopped by.

Here are your words Mr. Debunker.

I did contact 'mike', here's what he had to say when I simply asked him why he didnt feel comfortable sharing his whole story surrounding the incident . I see a red flag, but you guys can make up your own minds....

Hmmm...was that you? Or was it your evil twin???

If you're going to be in the debunking field, you better learn how to cover your tracks better so that the rest of us can't figure out how bad at this you really are.

So posting a comment on your YouTube video, is somehow emailing you? And you work for the Military? God help us all.

Now I'm a "paid disinfo. agent" because I have trouble with your story. Got it. Thanks.

Again:

Nice try avoiding my question. Classic deflection method. Try again.

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reply to post by NightVision


I don't know mr. Nightvision??? You tell me why they singled me out. I've got the footage to prove it. You saw with your own two eyes, but again, you're smarter than me, I figured you would have the answer.

Again Nightvision, you left a comment on youtube which goes straight to email. I hope you do remember how that works. You have to leave a contact email to youtube and everything that happens on youtube gets sent right to your email.

Do you want to tell people why you only chose certain pieces of the conversation to post mr. Nightvision???

Just so you know, from what I witnessed in the posts, you're not a popular guy in here anyway. I take it that they are used to you creating static for them, which makes it hard for them to get questions that they would like answered. If you're getting paid for the debunking game, then it couldn't be too much, you're very poor at it.

As far as proof...mine is in the vids, yours is from your imagination. Seek help, and quit ragging on other people because of your lack of experience.

Here's a little game:

Name This Topic!

And if you can answer that one, then you'll know when you're getting off of it.

And civility at all times. please.

Originally posted by mike73173

I don't know mr. Nightvision??? You tell me why they singled me out. I've got the footage to prove it. You saw with your own two eyes, but again, you're smarter than me, I figured you would have the answer.

Thats great. You're special. You get a cookie.

Again Nightvision, you left a comment on youtube which goes straight to email. I hope you do remember how that works. You have to leave a contact email to youtube and everything that happens on youtube gets sent right to your email.

Uh....okay. Thanks?

Do you want to tell people why you only chose certain pieces of the conversation to post mr. Nightvision???

Those were your words, sir. If you want to get personal with me and talk about masturbation, then you should be responsible for what you say. Nuff said.

Just so you know, from what I witnessed in the posts, you're not a popular guy in here anyway. I take it that they are used to you creating static for them, which makes it hard for them to get questions that they would like answered. If you're getting paid for the debunking game, then it couldn't be too much, you're very poor at it.

Darn. I wanted so bad to popular here. What ever will I do?

As far as proof...mine is in the vids, yours is from your imagination. Seek help, and quit ragging on other people because of your lack of experience.

If asking you to be forthright is ragging, then I guess Im ragging. Because you have avoided every single reasonable question I have raised, I will no longer waste my time or attention on you. Some people will read this thread, see my questions, and see they are just. Some may not. At any rate, I'm out and ready to let this thread die.

Originally posted by Springer
Never argue with a moron. He'll just bring you down to his level and beat you

[edit on 1-8-2008 by NightVision]

reply to post by NightVision


I refuse to play that game...you sound like a little baby crying to his momma.

You started the game...I'm finishing it little man. You have no proof, no credibility, no sources, and apparently...no life. This is what people do when they don't have their own experiences to draw from. They down others. I'm giving you a taste of your own medicine. You and only you are the source of any ill will in this chatroom.

Why won't you play the game that you started Nightvision. I don't need to establish any more credibility or give you any more than I have...The problem is, you don't have any proof whatsoever for anything that you stated.

And you're call this an online war??? The war is already over. You lost with your first comment post to me on youtube. SHOW ME PROOF OF YOUR EXPERIENCE. ONE PIC, ONE WITNESS, HOW ABOUT A NOTE FROM YOUR MOM, anything at all...GET ME A BLADE OF GRASS FROM THE AREA YOU WERE AT???

ANYTHING??? Nope...nothing at all. Don't ask for proof until you can provide your own.

Typical...Debunkers are all the same. Maybe that should be my new job, Debunking the bunk out of Debunkers.