'US talks to Iran to legitimize attack'

'US talks to Iran to legitimize attack'

www.jpost.com

Recent talks the United States held with Iran are aimed at creating legitimacy for a potential attack against Iranian nuclear facilities, defense officials speculated on Sunday as Defense Minister Ehud Barak headed to Washington for talks with senior administration officials.

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Sounds like the Israelis realize their government in cahoots with the Bush company are just setting up all the props they need on the stage of deceit.

I really hope something can be done to prevent this war form happening regardless of whether Israel goes in alone or with the aid of US troops this will be a global disaster.

www.jpost.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

It doesn't matter what Iran does.
Whether it has WMD's or doesn't have WMD's.

This has nothing to do with WMD's in the slightest... it's all about reaping in as much personal profits from warfare as possible during this administrations term.

Iran could turn into the strictest Christian country on earth, abandon all weapons not just ballistics, and pledge to feed the worlds poor for free... the US is still going to go in there and attack them.

Because thats what the US has become... just some piddly war hungry nation, no different from the war lords in Africa, only with more guns.

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Man I hate hearing that and I pray your wrong. Thanks for sharing your point of view all the same.

Not going to happen. Only in the most fantastical dreams and hopes of the ATS doom and gloom/"Bush is responsible for all bad in the world" fringe would an attack on Iran happen.

Here in cozy reality, never going to happen. Why? Because the political capital for military action has been expended. It would take nothing less than overt, direct, and undeniable hostile action from iran (ie, a missile/combat force destroying something - even aiming missles at this point wouldn't cause the US to attack). Thats not going to happen either. Iran is not stupid.

[edit on 27-7-2008 by ALightinDarkness]

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Right-o! I agree.

No peep from Sean Hannity yet? The J-Post, eh? We will just have to see if this has teeth. I hope America stands against these terrorists and defeats them once and for all! (the Iranians of coarse...I fear Dick Cheney).

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I owuld like to agree with you but I can't seem to forget this:

1981: Israel bombs Baghdad nuclear reactor

And say that is all that happens. The US does not invade and neither does Israel but Israel DOES bomb some facilities. If this were to happen I think that Iran would retaliate and all bets are then off.

Originally posted by ALightinDarkness
Not going to happen. Only in the most fantastical dreams and hopes of the ATS doom and gloom/"Bush is responsible for all bad in the world" would an attack on Iran happen.

Here in cozy reality, never going to happen.

Yeah, like 9/11 never happened. Come on, what were you doing that day here on ATS (if you weren't, if you could be here...)? I know where you were! You were here, sayin' "AINT GONNA HAPPEN!" Well, I got news for you, anything can happen!

If Israel wants war with them let THEM fight it. We dont have the money to fight the war. We can sell them the equipment to fight them but we need to stay out of it. If they want war so damn much let them fight it. Im sick of the US being to Israel what Hezbollah is to Iran and that is a proxy army.

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It is unlikely Israel would do anything other than also grandstand because they know due to current tensions in the region any strategic assault would cause Islamic countries to attack them directly. As Israel is not suicidal, they would not even attempt such a move. I have no doubt they'll take their place in the political grandstanding show though.

This is why Iran can trot around and basically say whatever they want, they realize until they blow something up the US is far too terrified and busy with our own political circuses to care.

I realize there are many on ATS who love to have something to scream and protest about and are hoping/dreaming for it, but its just not likely. Impossible? Nothing is impossible. But this were Vegas, I'd feel confident in going all in on NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

There are no comparisons to 9/11 and this. I would have said a terrorist attack is likely for about the past 20 years. 9/11 was a terrorist attack, and this is military action by nation states where we can actually identify the source of whom is doing the attacking.

[edit on 27-7-2008 by ALightinDarkness]

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I unde4rstand where you are coming from and I 100% agree with you that the US needs to stop being Israel's toadie; however, I think that the global repercussions of a war with Iran, regardless of who fights it would break our already crippled nation.

Originally posted by johnsky
Iran could turn into the strictest Christian country on earth, abandon all weapons not just ballistics, and pledge to feed the worlds poor for free... the US is still going to go in there and attack them.

This is just ludicrous and nothing but wishful thinking on your part. This is the most ridicuous statement I have read on ATS in a long time. Plus your argument makes no sense because if what you say was true, then why has the U.S. NOT increased it's land or taken over every petty little country on Earth. Why did the U.S. not take control of Kuwait when we had the opportunity in the first Gulf war? Answer: Your entire premise is just crazy.

Seriously, you are the poster child for Bush derangement syndrome.

Sorry, double post.

[edit on 27-7-2008 by WhatTheory]

lol, um, lets see, taking on the world... = suicide.

Taking on country after country so your buddies in the arms industry can continue making weapons, and those in the oil industry can continue pumping extreme amounts of fuel for that military... = VERY profitable.


It's pretty basic, I would have thought you might have noticed that by now.

Originally posted by johnsky
Taking on country after country so your buddies in the arms industry can continue making weapons, and those in the oil industry can continue pumping extreme amounts of fuel for that military... = VERY profitable.

So let's get this straight.....because the oil industry makes money by selling oil to the military, the oil industry is forcing America to fight wars. Is this what you are saying? I hope not because that is insane. I guess all the other companies who make a profit by selling products to the military are also in on this conspiracy right? Are you upset with 'big toilet', 'big food' and 'big bolts' just as much as 'big oil'?

Lately, we have been fighting in A-stan and Iraq. Is this your idea of taking on 'country after country'? Please get a perspective.


[edit on 27-7-2008 by WhatTheory]

To all the people that think nothing is going to happen..

Just what the hell are we doing then?

You think we are sanctioning them, threatening them, setting up bases on their borders, moving ships men and material in ... what... for show?

We did the EXACT same thing prior to Iraq..
We were moving men and equipment in knowing full well any decision handed down from the UN was mute and void, because we wanted a war.
Hell, we planned to provoke Iraq, but instead they held their nerve.

As for Iran?

These talks are exactly what the article describes.
A pony show, so once we attack we can say without lying

''we tried all diplomatic channels, with dialogue''

See, we learnt from Saddam.
Outrighly refusing requests from Saddam to talk, set the stage. It was shown we didn’t actually believe our own reasons.

Condoleezza was in Australia, New Zealand, The Israeli defence minister is heading to DC, and Obama was in the UK, Germany etc etc.

The go light is being given, and our allies are being advised, or haven’t you noted how unusual it is for so many high profiles to be travelling for nothing but '' fun ''

But in the case of Iran?.. we're not repeating the same mistakes twice.

Also a reason why the current hearings on a possible Bush impeachment motion aren’t gaining airtime. Because we can back Israel into a war when there’s so much public awareness of the first war's crimes.

In my mind, the hearings have forced Bush and co to accelerate the Israeli/Iran war.

Originally posted by johnsky
lol, um, lets see, taking on the world... = suicide.

Taking on country after country so your buddies in the arms industry can continue making weapons, and those in the oil industry can continue pumping extreme amounts of fuel for that military... = VERY profitable.


It's pretty basic, I would have thought you might have noticed that by now.

Wow. Just, wow. There are far more easier ways to make money than launching military strikes that would likely result in a catastrophe for ones own country. I am absolutely astonished you could take such a narrow and so obviously simpleton view of this.

Its pretty complex, I would have thought you might have noticed that by now.

Oh, and agit: Its simple. Do you think Iran is the only country that the US sanctions? We have sanctions and use strong arm tactics on quite a few country's as a way of enforcing our international agenda. There are quite a few countries we have had sanctions with for some time that have not erupted in apocalyptic dreams of war.

There is no go light, because its not going to happen unless Iran literally blows something up. Bush's impeachment hearings aren't getting any air time because they are a political circus started by the lunatic fringe-left.

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How many of those other nations that we have sanctions against have we surrounded with our own bases and naval fleets?




I think there is a lot more going with our intentions towards Iran than the average nation that we have sanctioned.

[edit on 27-7-2008 by Karlhungis]

Originally posted by Karlhungis
How many of those other nations that we have sanctions against have we surrounded with our own bases and naval fleets?

Quite a few. I am amazed that you would even post images from a known propaganda site whose job it is to drum up hype and fear mongering. US bases are stationed around the world.

www.unitedforpeace.org...

I guess were going to invade Cuba, Columbia, and Venezuela too! Nothing is going to happen with Iran, unless Iran fires the first shot first and aims it at the US or an ally. As Iran is not suicidal and the current government would like to remain in power, not going to happen.

From reading "Rebuilding Americas Defenses", I don't see it as something engineered by oil companies as such, it's more just the USA plan to remain dominant by acquiring the resources and strategic bases it needs, and overthrowing those who could get in the way of Americas domination of the world.