9/11 Sites falling like flies

Originally posted by jthomas
Believers? So far, I have no reason to believe anything you say. You must be paranoid or something. Let me help you see the light:

Gee you really do not pay attention do you, i called you a believer becuse you believe the official story.

The media - broadcast and print - all interviewed people who said they were witnesses of all kinds. Some said they saw a twin-engine jet hit the Pentagon. Some saw a huge explosion but no plane. The media interviewed them. Did you watch? Did you read? Did you listen?

Yes and all it proved that was all the witnesses could not decide what they saw, so how the medie decided it was a 757 is beyond me.

A lot of reporters weren't there when it happened. ?

But some reporters were there just moments later, like at the Pentagon and stated one thing that they saw but then later had thier story changed to fit the media's "official story".

Like the first reporter at the Pentagon stating that he could see no evidence of a plane.


[edit on 7-8-2008 by ULTIMA1]

Originally posted by jthomas

The media - broadcast and print - all interviewed people who said they were witnesses of all kinds. Some said they saw a twin-engine jet hit the Pentagon. Some saw a huge explosion but no plane. The media interviewed them. Did you watch? Did you read? Did you listen?

Yes and all it proved that was all the witnesses could not decide what they saw, so how the medie decided it was a 757 is beyond me.

You mean these eyewitnesses?

wtc7lies.googlepages.com...

Many witnesses were in their cars, in a traffic jam directly in front of the Pentagon. Most of those people drove away and were not interviewed. Below is a summary of the accounts quoted in the lists and spreadsheet summary above. These are mostly accounts that appeared in mainstream media reports. Many more people probably witnessed the attack.

From the lists above, 136 people saw the plane approach the Pentagon, and

104 directly saw the plane hit the Pentagon.

6 were nearly hit by the plane in front of the Pentagon. Several others were within 100-200 feet of the impact.

26 mentioned that it was an American Airlines jet.

39 others mentioned that it was a large jet/commercial airliner.

2 described a smaller corporate jet. 1 described a "commuter plane" but didn't mention the size.

7 said it was a Boeing 757.

8 witnesses were pilots. One witness was an Air Traffic Controller and Pentagon tower Chief.

2 witnesses were firefighters working on their truck at the Pentagon heliport.

4 made radio calls to inform emergency services that a plane had hit the Pentagon.

10 said the plane's flaps and landing gear were not deployed (1 thought landing gear struck a light pole).

16 mentioned seeing the plane hit light poles/trees, or were next to to the poles when it happened. Another 8 mentioned the light poles being knocked down: it's unknown if they saw them hit.

42 mentioned seeing aircraft debris. 4 mentioned seeing airline seats. 3 mentioned engine parts.

2 mentioned bodies still strapped into seats.

15 mentioned smelling or contacting aviation/jet fuel.

3 had vehicles damaged by light poles or aircraft debris. Several saw other occupied vehicles damaged.

3 took photographs of the aftermath.

Many mentioned false alarm warnings of other incoming planes after the crash. One said "3-4 warnings."

And of course,

0 saw a military aircraft or missile strike the Pentagon.

0 saw a plane narrowly miss the Pentagon and fly away.

Originally posted by jthomas
0 saw a military aircraft or missile strike the Pentagon.

0 saw a plane narrowly miss the Pentagon and fly away.

So out of all of them they could not agree it was a 757.

Also you forgot the most important witness who admitted they did not see what hit the Pentagon, they were told later it was a 757.

So that makes all witness statements look bad.

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[edit on 10-8-2008 by ULTIMA1]

Originally posted by ULTIMA1
So out of all of them they could not agree it was a 757.

I believe if you read his post he said 7 identified it as a 757. 39 said it was a large jet/commercial airliner.

You are also assuming everyone on the planet is well versed on each aircraft type on the planet and can recognize it instantly. Would you discount their testimony if they said it looked like a 747.....when it was a 757? They saw it was a commercial airliner, so there you go!

Originally posted by gavron
You are also assuming everyone on the planet is well versed on each aircraft type on the planet and can recognize it instantly.

But we are talking about the Pentagon. There are many military poeple who would know aircraft, correct?

Also many government people who fly all the time and should know what a 757 would look like, correct?

No.

The witnesses were caught in a traffic jam near the Pentagon, it no way should we assume that they were all military who could identify every single plane that has ever been made.

Heck no the truth movement is EXPLODING RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!
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Originally posted by Classified Info
The witnesses were caught in a traffic jam near the Pentagon, it no way should we assume that they were all military who could identify every single plane that has ever been made.

What about the witnesses that were close to the Pentagon? I mean we had a military guy that was right beside the Pentagon and stated what he saw, but he did not state it was a 757.

I'm sorry Ultima but there are over 100 people who stated that they saw a plane hit the Pentagon, I can't just casualy dismiss that. It is good enough for me.

I don't know what the military guy said that he saw hitting the Pentagon; a 747? 757? 784 1/2? It is irrelevant to me in light of the other (over 100 ) eyewitness accounts.

Originally posted by Classified Info
I'm sorry Ultima but there are over 100 people who stated that they saw a plane hit the Pentagon, I can't just casualy dismiss that. It is good enough for me.

So they saw a plane, but was it a 757 of AA7 or not? Thats the question that has to be answered.

I have to dismiss it as not verified evidence.





[edit on 10-8-2008 by ULTIMA1]

Only you need this.
The rest of the rational world looks at the PHYSICAL EVIDENCE that a plane hit he pentagon added to that the 100's of people who saw it hit.

Originally posted by TheBobert
Only you need this.
The rest of the rational world looks at the PHYSICAL EVIDENCE that a plane hit he pentagon added to that the 100's of people who saw it hit.

Funny how believers keep asking for actual evidence from others but when it comes them all they need to do is show statments and opinions. How immature is that ?

Most of us on here are looking for the truth, which means having actual evidence, and answers to question like, what plane was it?

What physical evidence? Does thie evidence have proper sources.

What does the physical evidence show as far as if it was AA77?





[edit on 10-8-2008 by ULTIMA1]

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by TheBobert
Only you need this.
The rest of the rational world looks at the PHYSICAL EVIDENCE that a plane hit he pentagon added to that the 100's of people who saw it hit.

Funny how believers keep asking for actual evidence from others but when it comes them all they need to do is show statments and opinions. How immature is that ?

Most of us on here are looking for the truth, which means having actual evidence, and answers to question like, what plane was it?

What physical evidence? Does thie evidence have proper sources.

What does the physical evidence show as far as if it was AA77?





[edit on 10-8-2008 by ULTIMA1]

YOU HAVE THE EVIDENCE ALREADY!!!
YOU REFUSE TO BRING THE CIT EVIDENCE TO A COURT!

Originally posted by TheBobert
YOU HAVE THE EVIDENCE ALREADY!!!

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Well you better wake up from your fantasy world because most of the evidence has not been released. I have stated this like a hundred times.

I am just trying to find the truth and post evidnece that i have found that questions the official story.

YOU AND I HAVE DISCUSSED THIS TO NO END.
YOU KNOW that the CIT HAS SMOKING GUN, ROCK SOLID EVIDENCE OF MASS MURDER YET YOU REFUSE TO BRING IT TO A COURT!

In my opinion, the OP`s thread is nothing but propaganda .
Kicinich just handed the House a petition with 100,000
signatures to Impeach Bush...

so ya ..the truth movement is dead......NOT

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by jthomas
0 saw a military aircraft or missile strike the Pentagon.

0 saw a plane narrowly miss the Pentagon and fly away.

So out of all of them they could not agree it was a 757.

So, 104 people directly saw the plane hit the Pentagon. 39 others mentioned that it was a large jet/commercial airliner. 26 mentioned that it was an American Airlines jet and 7 said it was a Boeing 757.

Apart form AA11, was American Airlines missing one of its other jets that day?

Originally posted by Maya432
In my opinion, the OP`s thread is nothing but propaganda .
Kicinich just handed the House a petition with 100,000
signatures to Impeach Bush...

so ya ..the truth movement is dead......NOT

right. the stupid mass media machine keeps up its propaganda ..
in the last time massively on youtube
www.youtube.com...
youtube.com/watch?v=5j_c1tPMiG0&feature=related

look at all this ´debunker´videos..

Originally posted by jthomas
So, 104 people directly saw the plane hit the Pentagon. 39 others mentioned that it was a large jet/commercial airliner. 26 mentioned that it was an American Airlines jet and 7 said it was a Boeing 757.

Apart form AA11, was American Airlines missing one of its other jets that day?

So they cold not agree on what type of plane it was, let alone if it was AA77.

I have already stated what the FAA registration stated happened to the plane. They do not state when or where it was destroyed.

We also have no evidence that the passengers from the AA77 were at the Pentagon.

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by jthomas
So, 104 people directly saw the plane hit the Pentagon. 39 others mentioned that it was a large jet/commercial airliner. 26 mentioned that it was an American Airlines jet and 7 said it was a Boeing 757.

Apart form AA11, was American Airlines missing one of its other jets that day?

So they cold not agree on what type of plane it was, let alone if it was AA77.

I have already stated what the FAA registration stated happened to the plane. They do not state when or where it was destroyed.

We also have no evidence that the passengers from the AA77 were at the Pentagon.

The question I am asking you is:

"Apart form AA11, was American Airlines missing one of its other jets that day?"