The Questions U.F.O. skeptics can't answer

reply to post by nahsik

Hey I want to believe that there is something to this ufo business as much as everyone on here. I just have not found anything that is credible enough to say that there is intelligent life visiting us. I have seen a lot of wishful thinking, fake photos/video and a lot of crazy stories but nothing substantial. So yeah I call most believers sheep because they post thier arguments with either one of three things.....links to crap you tube junk, simply telling me it's true and calling skeptics names because we do not blindly believe or pointing to testimony of supposed credible witnesses. The latter is not enough because people can be mistaken or they can be suffering from delusions. If these creatures exist why have they just recently shown up in the past few decades? They to me are just another fad that has come and taken from the venusians which took the place of archaic beliefs. Also do not show me things where they supposedly have been in cave drawings or other junk like that...because someone who wants to believe so bad will read what they need to into everything they see.
Also what real evidence have you sheep shown us....nothing...absolutly nothing. Like I said I am willing to everything a shot. I concede that the theory of aliens visiting us is one of many possible answers...but thats all it is, A THEORY and NOT FACT. That is the problem with this...you believers make statements like they are FACT!

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You know if you want to mock us for believing in intelligent life other than our own you go ahead and do that, however its naive to think were the only intelligent life forms out there. We have no evidence to prove there are other lifeforms (well other than the inconclusive drawings left to us)....BUT! we have no evidence to prove they don't exist now do we.

Riggs,

You look bad when you say these credible witnesses might have delusions. You have to have evidence to support your claims.

Also, you and others keep saying people are accepting these things blindly. People are accepting these things based on evidence and first hand knowledge.

Evidence, eyewitness accounts from pilots, police officers, military and more. Cave paintings, paintings, ancient manuscripts, pictures, video, trace evidence and more.

So to say people are blindly accepting these things is silly. You have people who have been studying ufology for years.

I ask the question that I ask in the first post. Can I know if these things exist or am I limited by what you believe?

I'm somewhat a skeptical believer here. I've seen something when I was a kid. I don't know what it was. But some people are fooled so easily. For instance, on this site yesterday morning, a person posts a video of a bird flying over a ship. He thinks it's a UFO when it's obviously not. Are we supposed to just fall in line and say great find? He believed it was a UFO afterall so it must have been a craft flown by aliens from another planet.

A little common sense goes a long way and I hope everyone uses it when discussing/investigating this topic.

As for high level government officials...who says they know what they are talking about? That astronaut looks like any other wanna be believer with no proof whatsoever. People make mistakes. People lie. People get fooled. Everybody needs to keep an open mind. And that goes for both skeptics and believers.

he's got some valid points joshedis. and i think it does a major disservice to ufology when hardcore believers tout evidence as pure facts, when that's not what the evidence does, it helps to support the theory, but doesn't confirm it to be fact. as i've said i myself am not 100% on what ufos really are, but it irritates me as well when evidence, even really good evidence is paraded around like it's the holy grail and there can be no questioning of it. being open minded doesn't mean you accept every little tidbit as the gospel, it means you're willing to admit the possibility of something. which as i'm sure many would agree, even hardcore skeptics are willing to accept the possiblities implied in much of ufology. they just want a little more to help them along, nothing wrong with that, we should all be asking for more really. otherwise we might as well write a big book and quote lines out of it.......dont you think?


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reply to post by riggs2099

If these creatures exist why have they just recently shown up in the past few decades?

They haven't, they have been around for thousands of years and spoken of by many ancient civilizations.

Doesn't this whole E.T. business stinks of religion/god/cult?

Intelligent entities/entity that cannot be seen, touched, heard or smelled.
*Check*

An unseen/undetectable force that is supposed to help humanity save itself but in contrary does NOTHING.
*Check*

An unseen force that created/seeded humanity.
*Check*

An unseen force that watches everything you do.
*Check*

A handful of crazies/prophets who were/are interacting/communicating with theses intelligent unseen force(s) that spout nonsense and has a following of blind gulible sheep who will be offended when someone else doesn't agree with them.
*Check*

Yep. It's confirmed. This whole E.T. nonsenese is nothing more than a kind of new age god/religion/cult.







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reply to post by optimus primal


Finally someone who knows where I am coming from. I want to believe but to me there is nothing to it. As for other intelligent life elsewhere...that one should be true, it would be arrogant to believe otherwise. I just don't feel there is other tangible evidence to support that they are for sure. There are some good cases that make me think..but not enough to say yes and believe from there.

reply to post by Malevolent_Aliens


As I have stated before believers will see what they want. I have seen these cave drawings and it proves nothing but that some one back then was very good at thier art. If these show UFO's then the ones that show GODS must also be true...like the greek gods

www.ancientsculpturegallery.com/198.html

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reply to post by AntisepticSkeptic


wow that helps and contributes so much to this discussion, thank you.


malevolent_aliens, i dont know, those types of ancient art can be interpreted many ways. unless/untill we can find some writings to go with those examples that explicitly state, these are the beings who come from distant worlds to teach us extraordinary things; i dont really think they can be counted for anything more than an artists' fertile imagination.

Originally posted by riggs2099
reply to post by nahsik
I just have not found anything that is credible enough to say that there is intelligent life visiting us.

What would you deem as credible? Do you believe or would you consider the possibility that:

1. Life exist on other planets?

2. Intelligent life exist on other planets?

3. Intelligent life on another planet has the capability of traveling extreme distances in a short period of time?

4. Intelligent life on another planet w/ the capability to travel extreme distances have found us or know about us?

5. Intelligent life on another planet w/ the capability to travel extreme distances have/are visited/visiting us?

simply telling me it's true and calling skeptics names because we do not blindly believe or pointing to testimony of supposed credible witnesses. The latter is not enough because people can be mistaken or they can be suffering from delusions.

People can also be correct and non-delusional.

If these creatures exist why have they just recently shown up in the past few decades?

Avoid imposing your rationale in this instance as most people tend to think "inside the box".

Also what real evidence have you sheep shown us....nothing...absolutly nothing.

What type of evidence are you looking for: circumstantial or direct? Study these before you answer.....

I concede that the theory of aliens visiting us is one of many possible answers...but thats all it is, A THEORY and NOT FACT. That is the problem with this...you believers make statements like they are FACT!

I love it when a skeptic says that........this automatically implies an us against them mentality of which I choose not to take the time to argue the point. Find out how many believers have said it was a fact. Also find out how many have not said it was a fact and present the percentages with supporting data to us.....

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Originally posted by Malevolent_Aliens
reply to post by riggs2099

 

If these creatures exist why have they just recently shown up in the past few decades?

They haven't, they have been around for thousands of years and spoken of by many ancient civilizations.

So, if someday our civilization is destroyed and a new civilization with their own archeologists found a bronze statue of Mickey Mouse newshopper.sulekha.com...
and assume tha Mickey Mouse existed and assumes that Mickey Mouse was our god, doesn't that mean these kind of evidence cannot be accepted as proof?




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reply to post by riggs2099


I realize that for the large majority out there the countless number of sightings, contacts and abduction cases is just not enough to convince someone of intelligent life from other planets visiting earth. Even though there is an overwhelming number of cases and witnesses including evidence of extraterrestrials in ancient texts, paintings and then there’s the myths and legends according to the way we interpret ancient civilizations but is all of this still not enough to convince us of extraterrestrial visitation?

Someone could really spend days putting together a thread full of all kinds of un-dismissible evidence of the presence of extraterrestrials visiting our planet with some of the most well respected and credible of witnesses with cases never to have been dis-proven, however most still seem to shrug off the idea and dis-believe that it’s possible for visitors to be traveling here from across the galaxy. It defies all logic for most and goes against just about every science book ever written. Is it that left part of our brain that screams to us it just can’t be possible because my professor told me so in college?

Is everything we have ever learned in fact wrong? Have we been living all of our lives believing in things to be fact when they are in fact in-correct or in-accurate? Does science have it all wrong? Has the truth been known all along by a few but intentionally hidden from us? Is the Sun yet another cover up and not what we have been taught it is? According to science we can fit 1 Million earths inside of the Sun, it is approx 4.5 Billion years old and burns at around 10 Million Degrees, expected to live for another 5 Billion years. Is the Sun really made up of hydrogen, helium, calcium, sodium, magnesium, and iron like we are told or is there something more to this story far beyond our understanding that has been intentionally hidden from us, ancient knowledge that perhaps would change our spiritual advancement and world forever?

Because of the way our minds have been brought up and trained to think we quickly dismiss words such as extraterrestrials as science-fiction, we may find it fascinating on TV but deep down inside most have a hard time ever believing.
UFO’s New Mexico,

Until something’s officially proven it can’t exist, is this the way we look at the world? Life after death cannot exist because it can never be proven? Everything we have learned from a young age tells us that extraterrestrials visiting us from another planet is not possible and this suggestion threatens are very way of life and belief systems in religion. Isn’t it fact that most probably just feel more comfortable not knowing and most just do not want to believe because it’s a scary thought to know that aliens most likely played a role in creating us and have been visiting earth for thousands of years? I think this is the case for many they do not want to believe even if there was an official world wide dis-closure they would turn to their bible and run to their churches and close their eyes and ears thinking everything they are hearing is evil and wrong. What do you think?
UFO Crash Russia,

What will it take to convince most of the world? A Body? A live Alien? A mass alien landing?
Here is a skull that was found that many of you may have heard of or seen before of extraterrestrial origin or to be fair I will say the origin of this skull is unknown and/or not yet identified as it doesn’t match up with anything we have or know about yet on earth.
2 MinuteVideo:
CLICK HERE
www.youtube.com...
What are your opinions of this Star Child Skull?
Could this be proof enough for some? Is this physical skull with a laboratory DNA result better evidence for some over say eye witness testimonies or abduction cases?
Of course where there is a skull found there once was a body, Where there was a body there surely were more, if they came from another planet then you can expect a host of others and so on.
Another interesting Skull found.

If you absolutely don’t believe in aliens what will it take for you personally in order to believe?
Something Just Doesn’t Seem Right!

Riggs,

Nobody is saying you have to accept these things, just don't try to limit the knowledge of others based on what you believe about these things.

You seem to be suggesting because there's not enough evidence for you then there's not enough evidence for anybody.

Nobody is trying to prove anything to you.

Good posts Malevolent_Aliens.

reply to post by TheBottomLine


If you believe than aren't you saying it's fact. Or what does believe to you mean.
Believe - accept as true; take to be true
True - consistent with fact or reality; not false; "the story is true"; "it is undesirable to believe a proposition when there is no ground whatever for


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reply to post by Malevolent_Aliens


A lot of these pics have been proven to be fake. Nice one..
If those are then so is this one...
www.ancientsculpturegallery.com...
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Originally posted by secretnasaman
These are things they can not answer because a skeptic does not believe in UFOs, so there is no debate, no questions, no winning a debate with a debunker.

your not actually claiming anyone alive doesn't believe that there are UFO's


Or are you confused and really mean they dont believe in little green men grey men or any other colored men
except black brown white red and yellow men

Because that statement you made seems to be pretty odd .

reply to post by Malevolent_Aliens


the third from bottom picture can be attributed to the egyptian practice of skullbinding(if you're trying to say it's elongated), the second from bottom is part of the viral campaign for that collossus game. as for the russian crashed saucer, i've never seen that photo before, it's interesting, but looks a tad small even for supposedly four foot aliens. neither have i seen the last picture, how they attribute it as a human femur, when it could be a gigantopithecus femur is beyond me. giganto would be my first pick as it was a roughly ten foot upright ape...

as i said much of ancient art that people claim depicts aliens and the like can be viewed many ways, as someone else said; just because the greeks had statues of their gods doesn't mean they were real people.

reply to post by AntisepticSkeptic

So, if someday our civilization is destroyed and a new civilization with their own archeologists found a bronze statue of Mickey Mouse newshopper.sulekha.com...
and assume tha Mickey Mouse exist and assumes that Mickey Mouse was our god, doesn't that means these kind of evidence cannot be accepted as proof?

OMG Then that means fairies are real!!

When you find a tablet containing all of our known planets in the solar system that we only recently disovered from an ancient civilization. Doesn't it make you wonder? How could they have known? Not only that but you find evidence of ET on the very same tablets. This brings credibility but of course not absolute proof. I know ET's exist but can't prove it, people like you call us delusional or crazy for being abducted when this actually goes on. I have dedicated my entire life to helping abductees, now whether you choose to believe me and thousands of others it makes no difference to me but I can say I know 100% in my mind your wrong. But to be fair I understand where your coming from, I was once like you after all.





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