Bush and the 100,000 Acre Woods : A Chavez The Pooh Tale

Originally posted by Agit8dChop
Id take him one step further, those super prisons mean no one can touch him, he's virtual sealed off.
throw him in rykers or something.
.. say screw that.

Lets send him to guantanamo...

after all waterboarding isnt torture, and we need all the info on his cohorts.

Well, if waterboarding isn't torture, and we apparently do not have C.I.A. outsourced "interogation" centers, I guess maybe the Black Site at Abu Ghraib can't hold him, can it?

Interesting what he's lied about could possibly be what keeps him alive, for the time the torturers get to keep that happening.

[edit on 27-7-2008 by SpartanKingLeonidas]

I wonder just if the rumor is in fact true that Bush did buy 100,000 acres or not. Of course, I'm wondering if it's a rumor just how close to the truth is it, since as we all know all he would have to do was get the Central Intelligence Agency to buy the company or person who owned the land to keep it hushed up.

So, having said that, why would the rumor get out to begin with, unless we're supposed to be watching that area. What one hand is doing is not the same as the other is doing, in Intelligence circles.

I did an assignment on opening a business in South American for an International Business class I took for Business Administration/Criminal Justice Administration, and did it on opening a detective agency in one of the dirtiest of continents, with exception to Africa. The relevance of this assignment has to do with Chavez’s perspective on Bush, and the political war they are playing with during the media events where each decry’s the other is either a terrorist or the Devil.

A detective agency is a business that has to travel to do business. If you are tracking a person down, you must know boundaries and what you can do within them.
Having a Southern Common Market, with MERCOSUR can affect this type of business in several ways. As a detective agency, I will have to consider many things, but we must consider the following for the country of Venezuela first.

While Argentina, Brazil, Paraguay, and Uruguay have already been a part of MERCOSUR, Venezuela is relatively new to it and it is the stepping stone of the South American political system to open a similar trade bloc like the North American Free Trade Agreement, or N.A.F.T.A. with our own South American Free Trade Agreement, or S.A.F.T.A., which may potentially link up with N.A.F.T.A. at a later date.

For the country of Venezuela, this can have many positive and negative repercussions on our economy. If the Venezuelan people let MERCOSUR open the doors to foreign trade, foreign business, and foreign politics, they risk the negative impact of losing individuality even more as a nation, the use of Spanish as the main language as English speaking people may become more dominant, as they have already had the influx of the Italian, Portuguese, Arab, German, African languages that were absorbed into their culture of the wonderful country of Venezuela.

President Hugo Chavez is already a very powerful man, but do they also give him more power through this transaction? Corruption is a distinct possibility with this man, who thinks the American government, through funding and conspiracy of the Central Intelligence Agency are conspiring against him through the use of the video game Mercenaries 2. Is this man a threat to the national stability of Venezuela’s economy? Is he el loco in the head and would this trade bloc help the Venezuelan people out to be rid of him, or would it give him more power to hold office indefinitely? Or what about the War On Drugs where Chavez who regularly accuses the U.S. government of plotting against him, said "the D.E.A. isn't absolutely necessary for the fight against drug trafficking."

Does MERCOSUR help against this man, or does it make this paranoid man even more powerful? These are things I see as potential problems when MERCOSUR opens up Venezuela. I do not see Hugo Chavez letting Venezuela open its arms wide open, unless he controls all the marbles. Well, it seems Hugo Chavez may be a few marbles shy of a full bag, or is he? Is the United States government plotting to make an already paranoid man more paranoid? That is a distinct possibility, since the United States government used similar tactics against Cuba’s Fidel Castro. Hugo Chavez has sworn to send troops into Cuba to help Fidel Castro if the United States interferes with his hold on power. So, we see a dictator in Fidel Castro, and a shaky political leader in Hugo Chavez who see’s his political ally right on the door step of America.

Those are some pretty negative reasons that I see for MERCOSUR in the country of Venezuela, but those same things can be seen as positives in other ways. Since the country already has a very diverse culture and language spread, opening the door through a trade bloc may not be as negative an impact as I first thought. If the surrounding countries are not openly hostile with Venezuela, it may be a political coup in and of itself. You can not have a multi-culturally diverse country without finding ways of getting around the different cultures differences, or even looking to their similarities to secure business for the country. Also, would opening the doors of the country help to further stabilize the economy? This is something to consider, since something like this usually creates more jobs for people from different regions, and lessens jobs for the communities that were already existent. The people who possibly would be put out of work would need jobs supplied to them.

As far as detective agency goes, this can help and hurt the business. To have a detective agency in the first place, being fluent in many different languages would be a prerequisite, not just a something to consider. The first major negative for Spartan Detective Agency I would see, is that being an American in a foreign country would not be accepted immediately. The hiring of local people who are trustworthy, reliable, dedicated, and knowledgeable in the searching for people, tracking packages, surveillance, and patrolling techniques. This would help to increase the reputability of an “American gringo” in this foreign land.

The negatives of MERCOSUR itself for an American would be relocating to a place in Venezuela that has a reputable power supply company. Since Hugo Chavez has been attempting to build a nuclear energy plant, this may not be a consideration for long. Would Hugo Chavez be a fair man with the nuclear energy plan, or would he be another maniacal dictator like Fidel Castro? This is especially a touchy subject, since Hugo Chavez is trying to get help with his nuclear energy plan from Iran, the country the United States of America is attempting to keep from getting nuclear power. The United States of America has accused Iran of disguising its nuclear energy plan for future possible “terrorist actions” in the form of nuclear bombs.

I see this as a literal and metaphorical “time bomb” in Venezuela’s future as a nation and from the implementation of MERCOSUR itself. If the country has opened its borders to outside influence, what is to keep a foreign power like Iran from shipping in nuclear energy supplies while America’s attention is diverted elsewhere? What is to stop Cuba through Fidel Castro shipping weapons of mass destruction to Hugo Chavez?

If these countries are allying themselves together, is it wise to even consider investing in a detective agency in Venezuela in the first place? That’s another negative to consider for MERCOSUR and S.A.F.T.A. in the country of Venezuela. Is this a literal, figurative, or chronological time bomb waiting to happen?

For positives for the detective agency, I see a few good things. Opening the doors of Venezuela to other countries surrounding it would be a positive, in that the currency of information may be allowed to flow more freely. You can not have a detective agency without information, its most fluid of currencies. Setting up alternate locations in other countries would be an additional benefit, not just in the information sense, but if someone is being followed for surveillance and they happen to cross a border, the rabbit can be passed onto another person on the other side of the border without border or territorial disputes that cause normal law enforcement organizations so many problems.

Using the example of America and the United Kingdom, Venezuela can also establish the same sharing of information about its citizens. The American Intelligence community is not allowed to spy on its own people, therefore it out sources this to the United Kingdom, and the United States does the same for the United Kingdom. This has already been established in the South American country of Argentina, one of Venezuela’s close neighbors.

I see this as a way of skirting civil liberties in American society, but I am not sure about the South American continent. I’m sure the detective agency could use similar techniques to gather intelligence data for its many cases of tracking down lost people, tracking cheating spouses, and any other cases that may present themselves. This would of course have to be set up independent from the national government, but would not be too difficult for the agencies to provide to each other. This would also be an opportunity to create more jobs for the jobless through a communication network of people sharing data for compensation through paychecks, possible insurance benefits, and retirement programs.

Training for these individuals would need to be done by locals, so as to give more people jobs locally and for the local dialects of language, specific regional differences of culture, and whatever other possibilities would present themselves. This would be in consideration of MERCOSUR opening the political, financial, and physical boundaries of the nation of Venezuela to outside nations in South America, and the rest of the world.

Of course the fact that the economy is lower than that of America would also be a consideration in the implementation of the detective agency. If people are used to being paid less, offering them better pay would be an incentive for them to stay at the job, and create their own sense of job loyalty, job security, and doing whatever it took to get the job done. If someone gets better pay, they will work harder to keep that pay. The rules of economics are universal, as are the rules of employment, and the rules of business. The almighty dollar or bolivares in this case rules.

Teaching the employees surveillance and counter-surveillance techniques would be important, as we not only want the employees to know how to track a person, but we also want them to not be spotted by the person they are tracking. The possibility of hiring ex-military or ex-intelligence agency specialists would need to be considered to pass on their training to our employees. Getting the employees up to speed, and then for them to be able to not only implement their training, but to then turn around and use their training to train other individuals through training sessions and active live demonstrations in the field would be of the utmost necessity.

Being sure of who was hired, through thorough background checks would be of the immediate and utmost importance also, as we would not want current Central Intelligence Agency agents working through this company and using it as a shell company to hide their assassins, spies, or intelligence gathering and intelligence sifting agents. This can be rather difficult as the Central Intelligence Agency is able to hire people of local origin, or hire American foreign nationals from the United States to infiltrate any and all organization it sees fits to get their job done.

I do not have a problem with the Central Intelligence Agency, but I know I would not want their business to ruin my business. If people start mysteriously dieing of poison, gunshot wounds to the heads of major political players like Fidel Castro, or Hugo Chavez can not only ruin that persons day, but it can run the business of a detective agency into the ground as well. No one wants to be known as the cover for a C.I.A. assassin squad, or the shell organization that hides the finances of the C.I.A. in a foreign country.

This does little for the credibility of a company, and makes people not want to talk to you, or come to you for assistance in finding out whatever they want to find out through a detective agency.










www.ncjrs.gov

Central Intelligence Agency : World Factbook : Venezuela

G.I.L.C. : Privacy and Human Rights

From above:

No one wants to be known as the cover for a C.I.A. assassin squad, or the shell organization that hides the finances of the C.I.A. in a foreign country.

This does little for the credibility of a company, and makes people not want to talk to you, or come to you for assistance in finding out whatever they want to find out through a detective agency.

Then again, in some circles that could be a good thing. Not saying much about the people involved in said groups, but they would know who the talent pool consisted of.

Which in turn points to other possibilities, a group that is supposed to be a unknown front, being blown, is not a very good one. So, it may lose interest in the circle they would otherwise depend upon for support.

So, not very good in any circumstance, might be time to find a new identity and career choice.

I tell you though, as far as political goes, what a heck of a smear campaign that could be, "said group is affiliated with Christians In Action...blah blah...etc".

Originally posted by SpartanKingLeonidas
I’ve been reading about the rumor of President George W Bush purchasing property down in Paraguay in South America a lot lately. I began having a discussion with a long time chat friend, Terran Blue. He and I have been discussing Global Politics in MSN all day since ATS Chat has been down, and quite the funny thing happened along the way, seeing as both of us know a thing or two about Politics as well as the way the world works.

Thing is, IF he really does have a home there, nearly 100,000 acres according to the previously mentioned ATS’ers submission, and IF they do try to Impeach him, or charge him for War Crimes, no one is ever going to forget the American citizens will guarantee that. Of course, this could be complete baloney to begin with, him having a home there, or it could be real, and giving Congress a legitimate reason to go into South American area with armed forces, to go get our recalcitrant President/Former President, all as a sham, just to get our troops there, to take out Chavez as a staging ground since Buenos Aires Argentina, was forced to make a treaty with America and the UK for interdiction after WWII, Paraguay does not have that same agreement. Because of the Nazi's, Buenos Aires was going to have the US/UK and other Allies on their collective butts as Nazi collaborators.

Any possible reaction of America, and or its citizens, will make Chavez have the "legitimate" reason to retaliate against "America", just like Bush abused his power to retaliate against Iraq through Saddam Hussein.

America would be sucked into yet another needless war, with Chavez claiming we’re interfering with South American politics as well as his sandbox, because Chavez is playing right along, knowingly or unknowingly with their plans. Russia's backing Hugo Chavez, or rather Chavez is backing Castro, and Castro is backed via Russia, because Chavez just recently asked Russia to forgive Cuba it's debts to Russia for Cold War expenses, before Fidel Castro stepped down for Raul Castro to take his throne. This might just revive the Cold War, via the War on Terror, making it a "hot" Cold War through duality and double-meanings. Of course this would mean the vast majority of the politicians are either in on the game to begin with, but then again I've pretty much figured out along with a lot of other ATS’ers and fellow citizens of Earth, that every war since WWI, probably further back, has all been a charade, as a means of population control and war-profiteering through the false flag-waving and claim of patriotism being the reason to go to war, when a patriot, a true patriot does not want to go to war for any reason other than an invasion on American soil.

Bush Buys 100,000 Acres of Land In Paraguay - Disturbing and Relevant Questions

The Prosecution Of George W. Bush For Murder

Venezuela Denies Report That Chavez Invited Russia To Open Military Base In Venezuela

What if the whole thing is a ploy just to get the United States of America involved and embroiled in yet another war we as citizens do not need nor want through the War on Terror?

This would of course be a ploy to get closer to Chavez and the Venezuelan oil, yet another war needlessly stretching our forces beyond belief, and as well a potential political platform for Barak Hussein Obama or John McCain to stand upon and smile the political smile of knowing more about things than the American populace will ever about things behind the scenes.

So, this having been said, the Secret Service as well as possibly Blackwater, or some other "Private Contractor" organization would be needed to defend Bush there, because 100,000 acres is a lot of property to be living on, let alone protect from would-be assassins.



[edit on 26-7-2008 by SpartanKingLeonidas]

[edit on 27-7-2008 by MemoryShock]

I don`t want to sound offensive man, but your post is off by thousends of miles.

Have you heard of a little country called Brazil, that practically owns the region?.

(Many say Paraguay is a Brazilian province where spanish is spoken).

What role do you think another little country (more than a million square kilometers) plays in your war game?.

Your post is good fantasy between people that know nothing about the reality of south america, but anyway this is a conspiracy site and everyone is entitled to their (crazy-based on nothing-fantasy) ideas.

reply to post by Camilo1


Wow, you missed the entire premise of what I posted, it was a college assignment, and based on South America where Hugo Chavez is paranoid about the C.I.A. trying to assassinate him.

An assignment, I got an A on by the way.

The relevance to this thread, was that it shows there is an extreme of view points between Bush and Chavez.

That as well as I was trying to make ethical choices with the assignment, otherwise I could have gone the other direction basically going against everything I stated in the assignment.

[edit on 30-7-2008 by SpartanKingLeonidas]