Obama in Berlin!?

Originally posted by Tricky63
McCain did his tour made his speeches an nobody said a thing.Obama didnt get mad or try to undermine what he said.Now its different.

Haters ya gotta love em

I think the American public aren't as interested in McCain because we kinda "know" the guy by now. Obama is listened to not only because he is a great speaker but also because we all want to absorb as much as we can about the guy. His foreign policy ideas are under the microscope right now and I believe he is "passing the test," so to speak, by us and the world.

I watched Obama's speech live on BBC & in my humble opinion he said nothing of any consequence whatever. He wants closer ties with Europe, he doesn't like those beastly nuclear weapons, he's worried about climate change, he loves little kittens and doesn't like bad boys ... and he traipsed all around the world to deliver that flim flam ... a total waste of time. Well, a total waste of 30 minutes of my life watching it.

He said nothing about the problems today facing John Doe or Hans Mustermann ... if his was a typical US stump speech I'm mightily disappointed.

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A well receieved persona abroad is a requirement for President? I can see where you are coming from but do you really want every Hollywood star running for President.

Seriously, I think the popularity contest is not that important. What is more important are the issues. I know you want Obama and I respect that, but I think the debate over who is more popular overseas is going too far. As a result, I declare Obama the winner. Let's move on to the next issue.

Originally posted by Quazga

Originally posted by beforetime
Wtf does it matter if Berlin like's him..

He is not just appealing to Berlin, but all of Europe.

And wouldn't you say that a well receieved persona abroad is a requirement for President?

Quazga, I find myself agreeing with you a lot. It seems I am one step behind you sometimes. I think you are spot on. We really do need someone that will make nice friends and allies for us. His trip to Iraq showed that he is up for the task.

Originally posted by sos37

Originally posted by Quazga

Originally posted by sos37

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So you are basically siding with Phill Gramm on this one? The problems that we are facing are all psychological and we are a nation of "whiners"?

Gotcha.

Now your putting words in my mouth. I know these problems aren't in the minds of people, but I also know the situation isn't as dire as the media would like for you to believe it is.

Take for example - last Friday.

Hurrican Dolly approaches Texas and strengthens into a hurricane right before it makes landfall. What does the media come up with? They choose to highlight the question of whether or not the levees will hold in that area.

Hold it right there.

Ok, from what you have told me so far, this makes a lot of sense. The media's main goal is what... ratings, eyeballs, etc. And, since Hurricane season is evidently well underway, they will focus on the buzzwords of water disasters.

Did you hear them say anything about Bush when the Levees along the Mississippi didn't hold recently?

No.

So now anytime there is a natural disaster that has to do with water, and if there are levees in the area, then they will ask the question "Do you believe they will hold?" to whomever they can. And this is what they should do.

It definitely has more to do with ratings, and learning from past catastrophes what questions should be asked.

Never had a problem in that part of the country with the levees(I gew up in south Texas), yet the media has to do something to make headlines and scare the bejeezus out of people so they point the finger if something does happen and say - LOOK! LOOK what Bush did to you!

Nope. As I mentioned above the very presence of levees now begs the question. Let's look at this scenario.

Hurricane Dolly approaches, news media get wind that there are levees in the area. At first, they think... "Someone is going to want to ask questions about those levees. We need to find out what they can stand up to, so that we are well informed". But then, they have second thoughts. They think someone on ATS might decide that they are liberally biased against the President for some reason. So they don't ask any questions about the levees.

Then, when the news coverage starts, no one is asking about the levees. Suddenly, someone on ATS realizes this and believes it is a conspiracy! "HOW COME NO ONE IS ASKING ABOUT THE LEVEES!??!" reads the headline of the post.

After a mod changing this title to a non-all-caps typeset, there are a flood of responses claiming how the Media is obviously in on the NWO takeover because they aren't asking about the levees... that must means something horrible!

Then, someone makes the connection with the 500k burial containers found here in Atlanta recently and the dots line up perfectly! It was all planned!

They also tried to tell us that oil refineries might be disrupted. Caused a bit of surge in the oil market.

To be expected.

Dolly comes ashore. No levee breaks. The media has to report no levee breaks. No refinery disruption. Price of oil drops. They actually sound kind of disappointed!

Actually that last sentence was wholly subjective on your part. The other is to be expected though. This is the result of play by play 24 hour risk assessment via the media.

How about the media choosing to publish stories about how America's working class will fall apart if we continue to crack down on employers who hire illegal immigrants?

Don't you get CNN? Ever see Lou Dobbs?

Remember all the doom and gloom of the jobs that Americans WON'T do? That's been going on for how long now? And there are how many labor shortages being reported?

Dude, you seriously need to tune into Lou Dobbs!

The media wanted us to believe we were in a recession far sooner than we actually were.

Huh? The media wanted to understand the long and short of it, but the ptb were not very forthcoming with reality. Did you see the recent video that had Bush talking about how Wall Street got Drunk?

Don't you see a pattern of sensationalism geared toward the left in the media?

No I don't. I see a pattern of sensationalism in general. I don't see any specifically geared any direction in much of what I see. Although I do see Fox News to be rather propogandaish. CNN Has too many different personalities for me to be any one way. You got Lou Dobbs, and then Anderson Cooper, and finally Glenn Beck...so I'd say you got various perspectives in there. Niether Beck, nor Dobbs like Obama, so I'm not sure how CNN is protrayed as Liberal.



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I can't say I want to vote for the guy but he deserves credit for a powerful speech. It's refreshing to see a U.S politician to get a response like that overseas.

Because that's what matters to the world--he addresses America's concerns in America. Believe it or not, the rest of the world has figured that GCC isn't part of some vast moderate-with-mild-conservative-leanings conspiracy and started seriously trying to slow or stop it. The rest of the world figured out that homosexuals are people like any other decades ago. The rest of the world is making a concerted, honest effort to join together as a brotherhood of man, while we bitch about OMG ITS T3H SATANIK NOO WURLD ORDER!!1!!111

I really don't see what everyone is getting all uptight about.

Regardless of which candidate wins in November there is a lot of damage that needs to be repaired with regard to our image on the world stage. The next president will have a lot of work to do and a lot of visits to make because the current administration has successfully alienated just about every other country.

What makes me wonder is that there are many people who claim that Obama's lack of foreign policy experience is a big negative factor for him and yet when he travels overseas and visits places he needs to know about, like the Middle East, Afghanistan, etc, people complain!

We're in a pretty bad state at the moment with regard to international relations. If everyone would put away the silly liberal vs. conservative stuff for a little bit I think we would all benefit greatly.

Republicans and Democrats alike will all agree that there is work that needs to be done. The past 8 years haven't been very successful in the opinion of most of the planet, America included. So, instead of dividing ourselves along irrelevant lines, why not analyze the two candidates for who they are and what they can do for us. That's what it comes down to, isn't it?

I don't care what party you're from, I care what you're going to do for this country, and how you're going to fix our problems. Tell me why to vote for you.

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I have to say although I strongly disagree with you I found the visuals you sent made me giggle. Picturing Obama in pigtails and while skipping through across Europe made me giggle. Thanks for that.

There definitely was a grand after affect left if not from the speech itself just that image of the masses cheering and holding American flags will remain.

Originally posted by shauny
Again, a great speech
came across well.

i REALLY REALLY believe the world can see some hope in this man.

A great speech? I just heard him reciting a boring history lesson to the people who actually LIVED it, then failing to apply this lesson to our current situation.

If this guy wants to be a global citizen so badly, I wish he'd run for president of the UN or something, because the last time I checked the United States is a soverign nation and the world's last remaining superpower. I don't give a damn what the Europeans want out of us.

Obama's not an American anyway. As far as I'm concerned, he should stay overseas.

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His trip shows that he went overseas. He did not make the US any allies or foes. Once elected he will have that opportunity. Let's see how long Germany will see him as a friend if he decides to send us into Pakistan unilaterally to get Osama.

Originally posted by highfreq
I can't say I want to vote for the guy but he deserves credit for a powerful speech. It's refreshing to see a U.S politician to get a response like that overseas.

Did you see all those American Flags waving in that video!


That's just Gorgeous!!! I love that sight!

He is going to be the best President Ever!

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Hey thanks, highfreq, for the vid. post. A star from me.

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That's pretty much it, alright. Welcome to American politics: high on style, thin on substance.

As I stated earlier, for all the hype his campaign has built up over the last week, the speech itself was pretty mundane, boring stuff of a similar type that you'd expect from any other Dem candidate speaking to a European crowd. He's got a great delivery, no doubt, but it wasn't much at all if you expected new, groundbreaking content. For those that expected real substance given all the hype, I can see where you'd be disappointed.

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You should watch another recent speech on foreign policy in this thread. There are more details on his future foreign policy.

Originally posted by jam321
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A well receieved persona abroad is a requirement for President? I can see where you are coming from but do you really want every Hollywood star running for President.

Oddly enough the last charismatic President that we had actually was from Hollywood.

Seriously, I think the popularity contest is not that important. What is more important are the issues. I know you want Obama and I respect that, but I think the debate over who is more popular overseas is going too far. As a result, I declare Obama the winner. Let's move on to the next issue.

I would say that this particular election does need to incorporate the question of how our President is perceived in the eyes of the world. Now obviously the electorate will make that decision. But as to it being a priority, I believe that in this specifc election that it is.

Primarily because popular leadership inspires action in the population.

Originally posted by baked
What I don't understand is, why would the American public, want to elect a man we hardly know anything about? Why would people want to elect a man that has only been in politics a few years? Why was he able to go to Harvard with hardly any money growing up?

This man is not who he says he id. Call me racist, I do not care. This has nothing to do with race. It has everything to do with the world and whats about to happen.


"Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh"

and other than what Fox News tells you - what do you know about McCain, or what did you know about Bush before you elected him?

Please. Do you expect every future president to come over to your house and have a beer with you before you'll offer support?

So Obama goes off to speak to another country (diplomacy) and McCain stays home and tells us to bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran?

I think the picture is clear

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I'm merely commenting on the content of this one speech.

Myself, I did watch most of the Democratic debates and have read through his policy proposals at his website. There is decent information out there on his policies, but the substance certainly didn't match the hype today.

Don't get me wrong, I fully understand why, too. They know there's a potential for backlash if their candidate goes too far in campaigning on foreign soil. In the end, what we're left with is a speech that was intended to be politically safe, but as a consequence, lacked any real substance beyond the rather standard Dem/liberal foreign policy talking points.

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To those questioning whether or not it was PC for Obama to give this speech I just want to remind you that McCain recently gave a speech while in Canada.