Russia ‘Had Laser Cannons Before U.S.’

I remember, however, that it's possible to achieve auto-lensing, whereby the beam is focusing itself due to density gradient in the column of the air, which in turn is due to the temperature gradient imparted by the beam, on the gas.

Another valid point, but remember the Soviets were supposed to have accomplished this in the late 60's to early 70's.

Do auto-focusing laser beams seem likely back then? I mean the first, continuous wave, chemical laser was patented in 1965, I don't think they would have made that step in the next 5 years.

Even today they're still far from perfect and they still can't reach the moon.

When they do say something, they try to make sure it's worth saying first. Rather than spout off # that everybody is going to misinterpret.

Right, like when they said they never had Nuclear Missiles on Cuba.

Was that really worth saying? lol

I don't go by habits and hearsay, the Russians are just as calculating and manipulating as the US is. If they get a chance to get one over each other, you better believe they will.

What's to stop America going, "Ahhh yes, but we had a program even before that in 1955 where we had working airborne lasers, so we still have you beat."

Russia nor America don't have any obligations here, their not sworn under oath, they're not liable to be charged if they lie. What's to stop them from doing so?

You really place too much faith in governments.

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You should have finished reading that sentence where I clarified sir.

38 Megawatts at a target?? And remember, this is assuming this laser weapon is a mobile one, fully self-contained...

possible ,soviets created the Pamir-ZU for such superfrequency lasers

The mobile Pamir-SU electro-generator, with an output of 15MW and a mass of around 20t, could supply power to long-range lasers and ultra-high-frequency weapon systems. It could be used both on the Earth and also in space.
www.flug-revue.rotor.com...

soviets also had plans in 80's to create even more powerful mobile electro-generator

It's bullcrap. Unless the Soviets harnessed Anti-Matter Energy in the 1960's you can forget about them firing lasers at distances of 1000 miles.

soviets were harnessing power from nuclear reactors for such lasers

You need about 3 portable Nuclear Power Stations for that or something.

it is impossible for a nuclear reactor pumped laser to be mobile

You develop your technology based on the Laws of friggin' Physics, which Russia cannot defy.

it does not defy laws of physics

some blog and online forum about Nuclear Missiles.

this is funny statement as most of my sources are scientific journals like federation of american scientists(fas),flug-revue(german scientific journal)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I love the Russians. They really do never give up. They're so out of touch with everything. It amazes me. I mean, they see and understand everything. But they just remain so distant to all that happens.

One thing I'll give them. When they do say something, they try to make sure it's worth saying first. Rather than spout off # that everybody is going to misinterpret.

stupid statement ,as its a proven fact that americans are out of touch with reality

Another valid point, but remember the Soviets were supposed to have accomplished this in the late 60's to early 70's.

soviets were believed to have accomplished that with tactical purpose chemical laser , like those believed to used in the sino-soviet war of 1969...

Even today they're still far from perfect and they still can't reach the moon.

soviets reach the moon long before USA did with unmanned rovers and probes ....
they created the first space station Salyut 1
seems you have forgotten the luna series of Satellities

he Luna programme (from the Russian word "Luna" meaning "Moon"), occasionally called Lunik or Lunnik, was a series of robotic spacecraft missions sent to the Moon by the Soviet Union between 1959 and 1976. Fifteen were successful, each designed as either an orbiter or lander, and accomplished many firsts in space exploration. They also performed many experiments, studying the Moon's chemical composition, gravity, temperature, and radiation. Twenty-four spacecraft were formally given the Luna designation, although more were launched.
en.wikipedia.org...

I can't assure you of what we have or haven't, but we are working on laser technology.

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I'm not trying to burn you here Manson, because I usually do agree with your views but I'm just saying these articles your finding seem a little far fetched.

with an output of 15MW and a mass of around 20t, could supply power to long-range lasers and ultra-high-frequency weapon systems.

15 Megawatts is certainly powerful but it weighed 20 tons....?

How are you going to put that on a plane, or a tank for that matter? That's far more than the regular payload of most bombers, far too heavy and impractical for mobile laser systems.

soviets were harnessing power from nuclear reactors for such lasers

I know, it was a joke, a bad one

it is impossible for a nuclear reactor pumped laser to be mobile

lol, again I realise I was simply stating how impossible it would be to create a mobile, 38 Megawatt laser which could actually bring down spacecraft.

it does not defy laws of physics

Not the laws of physics themselves but the concepts related to them.

Like Mass & Energy... for lasers to actually be powerful enough to have ranges of thousands of miles and bring down or destroy things like space craft and air planes they require RIDICULOUS amounts of energy.

And I do mean ridiculous. More than the combined outputs of several civilian-sized Nuclear Reactors. 38 Megawatts, etc...

This was not possible back in the 1960's, I'm sorry but it's too far of a stretch.

The first chemical laser was patented in 1965, and in just 4 years they allegedly had refined chemical lasers to the point where the Soviets were using them on the field, in battle, on mobile weapons platforms in the Sino-Soviet War (1969)?

I can't buy that. Why aren't there any Chinese sources of this new, terrifying weapon being used on them?
Why is this technology still classified after the break up of the Soviet Union? The Russians literally opened their vaults after the collapse of Communism and every secret they had, the US now knows.

The KGB sold out to the highest bidder, they revealed virtually everything the US wanted to know. Plus don't forget all defectors from the Soviet Union.

If the Soviets really had such advanced directed-laser weapons in the 1960's, I'm sure the US would know by now.

this is funny statement as most of my sources are scientific journals like federation of american scientists(fas),flug-revue(german scientific journal)

No, not the first ones you posted remember:

www.serendipity.li...
mindjustice.org...
forum.warfare.ru...

The last two sources are Russian, (a Russian weapons forum and an article written by a Russian), while the first I've never even heard of, nor do they seem to specialise in Laser Weaponary.
Serendipity just seems to be a general conspiracy site.

I don't take those as reliable sources.

soviets reach the moon long before USA did with unmanned rovers and probes ....

Lol, I wasn't referring to the Space Race I meant, we still don't have lasers currently that can reach distances such as the Moon.

They also had phasers, photon torpedos, transporters, and multi phasic shields too.

The kremlin is just better at keeping secrets than the US. Gov.

They also had phasers, photon torpedos, transporters, and multi phasic shields too.

The kremlin is just better at keeping secrets than the US. Gov.

The reality is that for the most part of the Cold War the USSR smashed the US in tech dev - the ONLY thing which the U.S. actually won was the the lunar landing (debatable) - everything from ballistic development, satellite, manned space slights etc,etc, etc, all Russian achievements.

This debate is not about Russian ability, but rather American inability to see the truth surrounding their own vulnerability.

The title of this thread is Russia ‘Had Laser Cannons Before U.S. - and they did.

Russia to this day has completely outperformed America on weaponry - the U.S. have exercised a much greater ability in divesting themselves of all humanity - hence their relative advantage - for now.

Originally posted by audas
The reality is that for the most part of the Cold War the USSR smashed the US in tech dev - the ONLY thing which the U.S. actually won was the the lunar landing (debatable) - everything from ballistic development, satellite, manned space slights etc,etc, etc, all Russian achievements.

This debate is not about Russian ability, but rather American inability to see the truth surrounding their own vulnerability.

The title of this thread is Russia ‘Had Laser Cannons Before U.S. - and they did.

Russia to this day has completely outperformed America on weaponry - the U.S. have exercised a much greater ability in divesting themselves of all humanity - hence their relative advantage - for now.

Sorry, this thread is turning into another USA vs. Russia thread. Why do people keep looking to the past and saying, "way back then we were better"? This thread will now degrade into a huge bicker fest between the two sides. I somehow think that's what the OP intended.

I'm going to make a thread based on the psychological principles of nationalism and how the brain works to gratify a person when they believe something to the extreme even though much evidence points in other directions.

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Exactly right. They always do, which is why I was asking people to find credible sources to prove Russia could create these laser weapons systems back in the 1960's/70's but everyone goes off on a tangent about how the US was trailing the Russians in terms of weapons development.

My point to them: WHO CARES?

Prove this damn "Laser cannon" existed.
The whole crux of this article is resting on one dodgy source from a Russian website.

Does anyone here have any more info on the high energy electrical discharge laser. There are a few points folks are missing here.

1- Resonate energy transfer.. we know its possible

2- A cavity that can be energized and a beam directed.

3 - Take this for instance

2 tesla coils are capable of a resonate mode data/ comm / energy transfer configured properly.

A high frequency high voltage energy sink of sorts. Its different than wave propagation and borders on quantum entanglement in a respect. The 4th dimension is time its all around us were existing at a certain point in time.

Whoes to say that Through use of a whole different train of thought that these laser's are Quantum lasers that can be dialed in to space time quadrants. Please dont think im some lost sole becuase that which i speak is possible. And would explain much on russia's plasma and electrical advancements.

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Yeah , Canada bought the pattent for the death laser off Russia long ago . We buy stuff off grey like simple analog pattents we can rebuild human . We buy actual grey death rays , rebuild em and then buy the pattens off Russia . We have Avro tech that looks like Grey , Creck Drealer stuff and so does the United States but we all bought some pattents off Russia and Tibet .

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There is KOOL people who respect us eagles and fakes who hate us all . My bozz in the SKY , Canadian Space Agency people wear eagle feathers that are dresses long . That is us on TV we HAVE to wear deer skin pants and jackets for 1 year thru trianing .

The United States Native Indians wear 1 feather in thier hat as deep space polits . They will joke about canadian natives headress , " oh them is eskiomes they have silly hats " .

Thats US Guys , the flyin eagels and the bikers here run the air force death rays and they still post silly warning signs in North Kanata . Goerge Mikels be out by July 24 or Death Ray message , KOOL !

Look guys we aint kiddin , we have planes and planes for us Eagles and the bikers have 3 jets we build but ONLY our clubs .


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Well for one russian scientists have *ALWAYS* been ahead of americans...funding was the problem,but i see no reason why they didnt create these before the Americans...

Originally posted by The Godfather of Conspira
reply to post by Bugman82

 

Exactly right. They always do, which is why I was asking people to find credible sources to prove Russia could create these laser weapons systems back in the 1960's/70's

en.wikipedia.org...
Russian version with a pic

Granted it didn't work so well (despite some claims that it did work and destroyed targets), this is just one known installation. I was born in the Soviet Union and traveled in Central Asia, and there were rumors of a large construction going on up in the mountains that would eventually be the site of a large energy weapon.



[edit on 24-7-2008 by buddhasystem]

reply to post by The Godfather of Conspira

How are you going to put that on a plane, or a tank for that matter? That's far more than the regular payload of most bombers, far too heavy and impractical for mobile laser systems.

no , not by soviet standards ,this type of generator can be put on these soviet planes

IL-76 can carry 40 tons payload

An-124 cargo craft can carry 120 tons

An-225 can carry 250-300 tons

also , supersonic bombers like tu-160 can carry 45 tons ,

This was not possible back in the 1960's, I'm sorry but it's too far of a stretch.

clearly, my sources state that development of nuclear pumped laser began in 60's

And I do mean ridiculous. More than the combined outputs of several civilian-sized Nuclear Reactors. 38 Megawatts, etc...

and nuclear ractors generate 200+ MW

The first chemical laser was patented in 1965, and in just 4 years they allegedly had refined chemical lasers to the point where the Soviets were using them on the field, in battle, on mobile weapons platforms in the Sino-Soviet War (1969)?

it was in the West that they patented it in 1965??? wasn't it ,
well, Khrushchev believed that missiles and DEW are the wave of the future , not bombers
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another example , soviets harnessed nanotechnolgy in 1952 , 25 years before the West managed to do the same , Soviets were first to create carbon nanotubes
this was 20 years before WEst even understood nanotech

A 2006 editorial written by Marc Monthioux and Vladimir Kuznetsov in the journal Carbon has described the interesting and often misstated origin of the carbon nanotube. A large percentage of academic and popular literature attributes the discovery of hollow, nanometer sized tubes composed of graphitic carbon to Sumio Iijima of NEC in 1991.[1] In 1952 L. V. Radushkevich and V. M. Lukyanovich published clear images of 50 nanometer diameter tubes made of carbon in the Soviet Journal of Physical Chemistry.[2] This discovery was largely unnoticed, as the article was published in the Russian language, and Western scientists' access to Soviet press was limited during the Cold War. It is likely that carbon nanotubes were produced before this date, but the invention of the transmission electron microscope allowed the direct visualization of these structures.
en.wikipedia.org...

Why is this technology still classified after the break up of the Soviet Union? The Russians literally opened their vaults after the collapse of Communism and every secret they had, the US now knows.

they did sell a lot of technologies to USA , not all of them ...
like Pamir-ZU, Topaz nuclear reactor , several kinds of datalinking systems etc ...
it refused to sell Sunburn missiles, nuclear pumped lasers

If the Soviets really had such advanced directed-laser weapons in the 1960's, I'm sure the US would know by now.

USA does know...

And according to the Russian representative, fully operational in 1972, I would be more inclined to believe this if it was in the 80's but 1972 seems a bit of a stretch in my opinion.

the russian expert means they tested similiar system in 1972 , but began full deployment



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what i fail to understand is , How is it possible that the Russians are far superior in intellect and weaponry, yet they lost the Cold War and their economy collapsed in the face of the inferior idiot Americans?

This article is fiction right ?

Originally posted by muzzleflash
what i fail to understand is , How is it possible that the Russians are far superior in intellect and weaponry, yet they lost the Cold War and their economy collapsed in the face of the inferior idiot Americans?

This article is fiction right ?

yes they had superior weaponry , but a very inferior civilian economy , thus they collapsed

Originally posted by Lethil
Well for one russian scientists have *ALWAYS* been ahead of americans...funding was the problem,but i see no reason why they didnt create these before the Americans...

and if russians were accustomed to make calims like these , then why did they always claim that they are severely lacking in comparison to West in terms of Computer and communications technology

[edit on 24-7-2008 by manson_322]

[edit on 24-7-2008 by manson_322]

Originally posted by manson_322

Originally posted by muzzleflash
what i fail to understand is , How is it possible that the Russians are far superior in intellect and weaponry, yet they lost the Cold War and their economy collapsed in the face of the inferior idiot Americans?

This article is fiction right ?

yes they had superior weaponry , but a very inferior civilian economy , thus they collapsed

Originally posted by Lethil
Well for one russian scientists have *ALWAYS* been ahead of americans...funding was the problem,but i see no reason why they didnt create these before the Americans...

and if russians were accustomed to make calims like these , then why did they always claim that they are severely lacking in comparison to West in terms of Computer and communications technology

[edit on 24-7-2008 by manson_322]

[edit on 24-7-2008 by manson_322]

Well for one..communication ability and how scientists perform is completely different.Second the russians perfected the use of mass communication in the 80,s....

Russians can has teh lazrs? In 1972?
I'd like to see said laser cannons. They put a conventional bomb with the same power as a nuke on international television, but they are silent about teh lazrs? Doubt it.