Some of the best ghost footage ive ever seen...or is it?

In the second video, just after the shadow goes into the room, and as the picture frame is moving, you can see his shadow at the bottom right hand of the screen.

To me, it looks close enough to the hallway/picture to be able to hear a pictrure frame scraping against the wall when it is swinging.

I also didnt see any change of direction on the shadow, it looked to me as if he was facing into the hallway, so he would be able to the frame.

Unfortunately, fake.

Still scared the bejeezus out of me though when I watched the loft one for the first time..

how do we know that this couldnt of been created by a hollywood special effects perso??? i mean how do we know that they wernt special effects???if anyone has seen the movie "I am Legend" the dog is scared because of the zombie dudes so that kinda prooves that dogs can be trained 2 do that. and also how do we know that the camera wasnt a webcam or one of those cameras that hang from the ceiling? i mean i completly belive in ghosts myself, but those clips seem a little dramatic.

how do we know that this couldnt of been created by a hollywood special effects perso??? i mean how do we know that they wernt special effects???if anyone has seen the movie "I am Legend" the dog is scared because of the zombie dudes so that kinda prooves that dogs can be trained 2 do that. and also how do we know that the camera wasnt a webcam or one of those cameras that hang from the ceiling? i mean i completly belive in ghosts myself, but those clips seem a little dramatic.

reply to post by ghostbeliver666


Hey there! How are ya buddy?

I agree, the videos are fake.

Its been a while since ive checked out this thread.

As I recall, it turned out that the videos were created by a film maker.

I had found a website that had a bunch of short films he made.

Unfortunatley, the videos I found and posted in the OP were just three short films he had made.

The thread turned out to be a really great thread.

Its long, but its a great read. Atleast I think so.

feel free read the whole thing, although that might take a while

I personally am leaning toward real when it comes to these videos. As everyone can guess, the behavior of the animals is a big red flag.

Also, if you watch closely and listen in the attic video, I read on youtube where people were speculating that he tugged a string attached to the cacn with his foot, when he shifts his weight to his right leg. HOWEVER, if you both look and listen to the can, you can tell it's metallic in it's composition, so the degree to which he moves his foot wouldn't probably generate the force necessary to knock something that large and either aluminum or tin ally over.

Also, it seems to me that the light doesn't go out or off in the attic, rather, something is messing with the Iris on the video camera, so that it looks darker, but the bulb is still glowing.

Ok I jumped and got goosebumps a few times. I would have to say real. The way the dogs acted was what did it for me.
had a cat a few years ago and two places I lived had paranormal activity. She would growl and hiss in the corner at nothing and run away. My ex and I both saw what we thought was each other in the hallway on different occasions. I was down stairs asleep and my ex was in bed and thought I was coming from the bathroom and going down stairs. He got up and when he went to the stairs nothing was there and he found me asleep on the couch. I had seen the same thing thinking it was him too many times. My cat would stare at the hallway where we would see this shadow of a person walk from the bathroom to the stairs. It was really creepy. Now I later found out while I was STILL living there that my building with 9 townhomes use to be mortuary/creamatorium. Talk about freaky! I didnt sleep well after I found that out for like a week. It made a lot of sense with all the noises we use to hear and also with what our neighbors heard and saw. I heard loud noises like footsteps and things being moved around from my neighbors apt one night and went over to ask them to be quiet and they didnt answer. I called them and they werent even in the house. I use to hear things all the time there. I loved that place but I didnt like being alone in it.

While I think they are very good footage, I believe them to be fakes. I do however congratulate him on a good job.

It seems the biggest reason people are convinced that the footage is real is more so based on the reaction of the dog. Dogs CAN be trained, and yes they can be trained to "act" afraid. Do you think all the dogs in movies who appear afraid really ARE? Plus one thing popped into my head while viewing the video. I remembered when I was small and Id go to my cousins house.. he had a dog that was afraid of a certain doll and if my cousins dog saw it, he'd hide under the table. I was thinking maybe that certain dog was afraid of something and the guy was holding it just off camera where the dog could see it but not us. That would explain why the dog would come out, seem ok then look scared and go back under the bed. They guy might be hiding it then when the dog comes out, pull the object out from behind his back or something.

My next reason I believe this videos are fakes. In the first video with the paper towel.
a) if you watch the paper towel scene, its blurry around the edges which is usually a product of video manipulation.. or poor video manipulation i should say.
b) At first i thought the slamming of the door although not impossible to fake seemed realistic because of the apparent violence of the slamming and because of the sound of the door handle being turned. BUT a fishing line on both sides of the door would accomplish the violent slamming and the turning of the door handle or the sound of it anyways since we cant visually see if its really turning, can be accomplished by someone standing on the stairs of the attic out of sight when the door opens. AND lets not forget we're simply taking his word that its unedited. The sounds of the door handle couldve been added later.
c) orb looks very edited. enough said!
d) the dogs behavior: well its honestly seems like the dogs are being silently instructed to go off screen possibly by someone holding a treat off camera. Then later when the dog is looking up it seems like someones holding a treat above him so he'll look up and around.

lastly.. the scene in the attic:
ok so i have to give him kudos... very good fake. I realised when he's in the attic that he does something that magicians do.. its called misdirection.
Misdirection #1: He takes you for a walk in his attic to prove no ones in there that could knock anything over. Now you feel secure that no ones around.
Misdirection #2: He puts camera down to show you he's not pulling any string or throwing something, so your secure in thinking its not him.
----- what conclusion do you come up with?------ if its not someone hiding in the attic, and he's not pulling a string, surely it MUST be a ghost. NO!

Reality: He walks u through the attic and shows you a thorough close up of everything in his attic.. everything EXCEPT the can. While walking around his attic looking at things not once does he show you the can that gets knocked over. Not the front of it, not the back of it! Its the one and ONLY sections of his attic that he doesnt do a close up examination of on camera... the only view of it you get is a far away frontal view when the camera is later set down.

Reality: You assume he's alone in the attic/house. When he sets the camera down you assume no one is behind the camera off camera with the ability to pull a string that could be tied or taped to the back of the can. Also since there was no close up examination of the can you dont really know if theres anything that could be triggered to make the can go flying. He was standing right in front of it, it wouldve have been easy for him to slightly tap something to trigger the can from going flying.

Reality: Ive heard it be said that it must be real because his reaction was so genuine. Well obviously he's going through alot of effort to make a video. Dont you think he'd practice appearing scared??

reply to post by 808tida


Hey, just noticed you posted. Thanks for the reply.

Even to this day, the vote seems to be pretty split actually on whether or not this is real. Although I think more people think it is fake then they think it is real.

Back on, I don't know what page, it was revealed that the person who posted these videos on youtube was an amateur film maker who makes short films and has starred in most of them.

If I recall correctly there was one called The trolley of Death. It was supposed to be a scary short film but it was so bad that it was actually funny!

I too am of the belief that the videos posted in the OP are fake. I never did hear back from kshizzle27 (the poster/maker of the videos)

Oh well, I am actually glad to see that this post is still going after all this time and that people are still debating whether it is real or not.

I think that is actally a sign of a good film maker. The fact that they are able to make something and people don't know if it is real or not.

Think back to the movie The blair witch project it was posted all over the net at the time that it was real footage of people being chased and killed by the bliar witch. the creators even went as far as making a fake website or two that discussed the "legend of the blair witch"

Same with the exorcist. It was actually based on a book about a real life situation where a boy was believed to be possesed. It seemed so real and lots of people walked away wondering just how closely this movie was based on the boys case!

I am getting off track here. I meant to just post and say I agree with your analysis!

Oh well, I agree with your analysis.

reply to post by LI(f)E.


Something that is really telltale to me, and I noticed it on my first view, was that there are 2 bedrooms in this house. Both bedrooms in either video indicate that they were being used by someone. The first bedroom, he uses in the first video, and the fact that you have stuff on the floor. The second bed isn't even made. This most likely means he has a roommate who we never see. Interesting considering noises in the attic, the lights going dim, and then suddenly the camera is being moved in a direction we cannot see. I think its obviously a two man job.

reply to post by Ryanp5555


Very wise my friend. I agree. I would not be surprised, if the tricks to this video were suddenly revealed to me, that there was atleast one other person off screen.

That is definitely real.

Originally posted by sniggitydiggity
That is definitely real.

Would you be willing to elaborate on why you think it is real?

I mean, it has been revealed that the one who made these vides is an amatuer film maker and some where buried in this thread is a link that has other short films made by him.

It has been a bit since this thread has recieved much activity so I am a bit rusty on the evidence provided for each side, (real or fake) but I recall there was alot more evidence suggesting it was fake. Including what I posted above.

I remember he had this one called Evil Trolley Of Death (or something like that) It was supposed to be a scary short film about a medical cart that is alive and kills people, but the acting and everything is just so bad that it actually seems more like a comedy.

I must say he hit a home run with the Haunting videos he made.

Oh yes, I remember the three videos in the OP being among a list of all films he made.

Well, the one with the door opening and closing and the paper towel roll is a little suspect to me, but the other two, well, the dogs' actions are what make me think these are legit.

If the dogs are trained, then he should be making serious money using them in Hollywood, because they are incredibly well trained and behaved dogs. Their fear seems genuine to me.

Other than that, well, I just feel it's genuine.

Originally posted by sniggitydiggity
Well, the one with the door opening and closing and the paper towel roll is a little suspect to me, but the other two, well, the dogs' actions are what make me think these are legit.

If the dogs are trained, then he should be making serious money using them in Hollywood, because they are incredibly well trained and behaved dogs. Their fear seems genuine to me.

Other than that, well, I just feel it's genuine.

Very good. fair enough my friend. Thank you for expanding.

Originally posted by sniggitydiggity
Well, the one with the door opening and closing and the paper towel roll is a little suspect to me, but the other two, well, the dogs' actions are what make me think these are legit.

If the dogs are trained, then he should be making serious money using them in Hollywood, because they are incredibly well trained and behaved dogs. Their fear seems genuine to me.

Other than that, well, I just feel it's genuine.

I don't know its pretty easy to scare a dog. What if he consistently hit the dogs with a newspaper and in his left hand when the dog is scared and goes under the bed he has the newspaper in his hand? This seems to be the only evidence that anyone points to as the film being real. But lets take a step back and really think about the other circumstantial evidence:

1) he is an amateur film maker, who had already tried to make horror films

2) the cameras are always in the right position

3) there seems to be at least one other person living there who could have significantly contributed to the making of these films (i.e. he coulda been hiding around the pole in the attic. Notice when the light goes off in the attic after he runs out you see something get thrown from the chimney vent towards the center of the attic? Also, notice that one person could walk completely around the chimney pole in the center of the attic? when it goes dark whatever gets thrown almost seems to be used to distract us while the other person moves around the camera and then continues to tap it until he finally turns the lights all the way off. Odd)

4) He has creepy music playing in the first one on what sounds like a freakin' record player. The guy looks like he is what 27-35? Why does he have a record player?

and

5) THE GUY MAKES SCARY MOVIES AS A HOBBY!!! HELLO!!!!!!!!!

the dog being scared is nothing, some dogs are just incredibly timid and spooked by everything.

my girlfriend has a poodle, that has been pampered and spoiled its entire life, its even kind of smart.

but the thing will hide under her bed for hours at a time, and not come out and act scared, while the other animals we have, act fine, its actually an all the time thing.

The 2nd dog never seems scared to me, just interested in the hiding dog, come on, if your best friend wouldn't come out from there hiding spot you would be investigative to

The Cats tail.. well you can't say that's poofed up if you haven't seen the cat before. Some cats have naturally poofy tails, growing up we had several cats, some with thin tails some with big poofy ones. so you cant say wow look how poofy they cats tail is, hes scared, if you hadn't seen his tail enough to know it isn't how it always looks.

The Camera work in the Attic is what made me think it was fake, If i was going into an attic, looking for something, and not knowing what it was, i don't think i would be walking all slow in an open area, panning slowing, i would be walking quickly, panning quickly. not this guy, he happens to go the speed that one of his friends could easily stand behind him the entire time, so that hes not on camera while the first sweep of the attic takes place.
After he goes back down the staircase his friend bangs on something, to provoke a logical reason for him to return.
However this time, he happens to set the camera down facing where he is going to be, at an angle where someone could easily hide out of view and still be able to interact with the trashcan that falls. Why didn't he keep the camera on him? hes trying to catch this "real" event on camera right? so why place a camera somewhere the view is so cut off, why not simply keep carrying it? or was he planning on getting into some hand to hand combat with a ghost?

The part that absolutely screamed fake to me was the fact that the ghost pushes over stuff, throwing things violently, over all just being aggressive, then gently turns the camera... Awful nice of that ghost to be so gentle with the only thing of value its interacted with, its almost like the ghost didn't want his spendy camera to get messed up..... right....

sorry but i gotta go with fake on this one.

Originally posted by Ryanp5555
The guy looks like he is what 27-35? Why does he have a record player?

This is off topic of me to say, but I am only 21 and have my own record player. I have alot of old rock albums from the 60's and 70's.

The Beatles, The Rollingstones, the Eagles etc...

That is beside the point. I agree with you completly.

The BIGGEST piece of evidence is he is an amateur film maker who has made horror films in the past.

Well said!

[edit on 7-5-2009 by gimme_some_truth]

Originally posted by gimme_some_truth

Originally posted by Ryanp5555
The guy looks like he is what 27-35? Why does he have a record player?

This is off topic of me to say, but I am only 21 and have my own record player. I have alot of old rock albums from the 60's and 70's.

The Beatles, The Rollingstones, the Eagles etc...

That is beside the point. I agree with you completly.

The BIGGEST piece of evidence is he is an amateur film maker who has made horrof films in the past.

Well said!

haha, yes, i conceed the point that he is def. entilted to a record player, but I'm gonna make a guess and say you are an exception to the rule. MOst people don't have record players anymore. Also, if I heard something moving around in my attic, somehting that sounded like some person up there, I would be walking up there with a weapon. And he's just like hello? is that the friendly neighborhood bum in my attic?

reply to post by Ryanp5555

I believe you are absolutley right. I agree most do not have them anymore. The only reason I have one is because I am an avid fan of classic rock and there is something about the vinyl albums that I enjoy. Although Most of the albums I have in vinyl I also have on CD.

I don't know why I even told you I have one, I just felt like saying so.

As I said earlier, I agree with everything you have said.

Anyway, I have invited this guy to come here and talk about his videos numerous times via his youtube account but he has never once responded.

Peace and love!

GST

[edit on 7-5-2009 by gimme_some_truth]

Good find. I often trawl youtube for dodgy ghost videos purely for entertainment value and I often find videos from this guy. My absolute favourite is when he captures the young girl "ghost" at the top of the stairs, crying. When he looks back through the door to see the girl standing there facing the camera, i nearly dropped some fruit in my looms.