Belief is growing that the media is trying to help Obama win.

reply to post by Dronetek

OK, so they have sent some more troops. Since you have been following them, do you know how many? The article only says "Some of the Marines that make up the 24th Marine Expeditionary Unit". I think the article I posted was referring to permanent troops, probably Army and not Marines. My mistake.

What about all the other points that you were wrong about?

Didn't the media do the same thing for Hitler and Stalin? I think the difference here is the media was forced in those situations. Here you have Obama leading the media over the cliff and laughing all the way. He doesn't have to force them because they believe in his communist agenda for America and the removal of Israel from the map.

Have fun while you can libs.. One term with this American hater and you are done for a century...

reply to post by Hal9000

It is very clear that al Maliki would like the US troops out of Iraq within 2 years and is close to the same timeline that Obama proposed. I don't see how you can see it any other way.

If thats when their able to support themselves, we'll leave. The leap is to say this is the date we will get out. Maliki and most Iraqis want to get on with their lives and know they need the US there until they are able to help themselves. Its simply a fact, so Obama can keep saying whatever he wants. Its all politics.

- You are wrong on almost every point: FACT

I completely disagree and dont think you even really know what you're talking about. You're buying in to the politcal hype and not reading very carefuly.

From your own article:

Iraqi government spokesman Ali al-Dabbagh on Monday said the government's "vision" is that most U.S. combat troops would be out of Iraq by 2010. Asked whether that stance is part of the current negotiations, al-Dabbagh said, "No. This is the Iraqi vision.

As has been said countless times, we all want out of Iraq ASAP. The crux of the matter, is if Iraq's government can defend itself from all the people who will want to topple them.

The Iraqis want the exact same time, which is why he said its a "vision" at a negotiation. They haven't decided exactly what they want or need yet. Thats why McCain is actually the guy closer to the truth. Hes not gonna tell you some BS that we can get out in 16 months, if the facts on the ground don't support it. Obama on the other hand, is willing to lie right to your face so he gets elected.

www.youtube.com...://hotair.com/archives/2008/07/22/new-mccain-ad-the-medias-got-a-crush-on-obama/

I must say something here, yup the media loves Obama, I aint figured it out? why? yet.?

abcnews.go.com...

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Originally posted by vor78

In the end, I guess I have to give the American people some credit. Many of them apparently are smart enough to see through the unending load of liberal garbage that the media is trying to spoon feed them and how they've been trying to influence this (and past) elections.

The question is are they smart enough to see past the conservative bullhooey about liberal bias in the media.

Face it if the media was so biased against conservatives Al Gore would have won in 2000 and if the media were so biased in favor of liberals John Kerry would not have gotten the trashing he did in 2004.

The media always likes winners and they have precieved that Obama is the winner this time around and that is all there is to it.

Originally posted by Dronetek
Maliki and most Iraqis want to get on with their lives and know they need the US there until they are able to help themselves.

As many have noticed, this is a circular argument. If there is no timetable of any kind, this gives the Maliki regime less base for planning and less incentive to do it right. It's like an open ended arrangement which in a way suites him better than he's willing to admit.

NBC News Refers to Obama's Trip as 'Tour of Duty'

I am sure he is dodging sniper fire as well. This media is a joke and they are making that painfully obvious with the love affair with their communist "messiah."

This guy would piss himself if he had to do anything of any real substance in a war situation. To call this a tour of duty is to say all those who have fallen don't mean a thing.

The messiah with his posy or entourage or whatever they call it back in the hood need to go back to Chicago and play some baskeetball and get the hell out of the way of real men over there.

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One guy said it is almost hard to remain objective, obviously.

Matthews, Obama is Biblical, means to deliverance.


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reply to post by Perplexed


Oh you right wingers try so hard to be macho... be still my beating heart.

reply to post by Dronetek

Originally posted by Dronetek
If thats when their able to support themselves, we'll leave. The leap is to say this is the date we will get out. Maliki and most Iraqis want to get on with their lives and know they need the US there until they are able to help themselves. Its simply a fact, so Obama can keep saying whatever he wants. Its all politics.

It wasn't Obama doing the talking. It was al Maliki.

When asked when he thinks U.S. troops should leave Iraq, al-Maliki told the magazine, "As soon as possible, as far as we are concerned."

He added, "U.S. presidential candidate Barack Obama is right when he talks about 16 months."

Iraqi PM Supports Obama's Withdrawal Plan

That is of course before the WH made a phone call and now they say he was misinterpreted.

- You are wrong on almost every point: FACT

I completely disagree and dont think you even really know what you're talking about. You're buying in to the politcal hype and not reading very carefuly.

From your own article:

Iraqi government spokesman Ali al-Dabbagh on Monday said the government's "vision" is that most U.S. combat troops would be out of Iraq by 2010. Asked whether that stance is part of the current negotiations, al-Dabbagh said, "No. This is the Iraqi vision.

Call it "vision" or "time horizon", it doesn't matter. This article was written after the WH phone call and a retraction and now a reaffirmation on Sunday saying they want troops out in two years. Granted, they have certainly made it confusing enough with all the semantics, but you are the one falling for it, not me. It has been made clear that they want us to leave in two years and is close to the time frame Obama proposed.

This is what I meant by a biased opinion, which makes for a difficult discussion. You simply can't admit that you are wrong.

What do you expect? Obama is the latest fad. The media always get elated over a fad and do everything possible to make it a bigger fad. But just like any fad, the fun will die down. If elected president, the media won't be so kind to him. You can ask Clinton and Bush about that.

What a Shock!!!

www.time.com... me/searchresults?No=0&sid=11B4BB6B3230&Ntk=WithBodyDate&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&y=9&N=46&Nty=1&x=35

Take a look at Time magazines covers this year.

28 covers so far: 5 with Obama on it (17.9%) and 1 with McCain (3.6%). Oh, by the way, Obama is due for another cover, just watch.

You can do that with almost any news magazine.

You can call it whatever you want, but Obama has an overwhelming lead when it comes to media exposure.

reply to post by vor78


Agree.

The fact that all the major new outlets (MSM) sent anchors to cover Obama's trip and essentially ignored McCain's repeated trips to the middle east is telling.

I get that the guy is "news". However, his repeated massive oratory blunders are swept under the rug (due to "sleep deprivation") while his more brilliant speeches (no argument there) are literally promoted by the MSM is also telling, IMHO.

Be honest - other than the fact he is black - what qualifications does he have? A Community Organizer? 143 DAYS in the Senate? Not a single bill to his name? Absent from most votes? As a Presidential candidate?

Seriously?

Have any of you ever considered the reason Obama is getting so much coverage is the is the historic character of his campaign as the first black person to have a legitimate shot at the white house.

Or is that just too obvious for you?

Originally posted by grover


Face it if the media was so biased against conservatives Al Gore would have won in 2000 and if the media were so biased in favor of liberals John Kerry would not have gotten the trashing he did in 2004.

C'mon Grover, EVERYONE KNOWS that Gore and Kerry DID win, they just got the elections STOLEN from them. It's not that they are against conservatives as they are very pro Democratic candidates. Shouldn't media coverage be unbiased?

Uh oh........ I'm getting that tingly feeling crawling up my leg.......must resist......must resist.

Originally posted by grover
Or is that just too obvious for you?

I'll grant that his skin color is good for some stories. However the amount of "love" the media showers on him isn't because of that.

Originally posted by grover
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Oh you right wingers try so hard to be macho... be still my beating heart.

Bleeding heart is more like it... As in Liberal maybe? So you agree this is an official Tour of Duty for your Messiah? Is that what you are saying?

When he gets back we can give him a few purple hearts so kerry can confort him while he gets swiftboated...

Originally posted by grover
Have any of you ever considered the reason Obama is getting so much coverage is the is the historic character of his campaign as the first black person to have a legitimate shot at the white house.

Or is that just too obvious for you?

Obama is not black. He is a mix of both races. A true mud if you will but by no means is he black. He is also no messiah or serving a tour of duty as much as you may wish it to be true...

Did you CONservatives ever hear of a concept called "Supply and Demand"? Maybe, there are more articles on Obama, because more people like him. Heaven forbid the media caters to a free market concept! Perhaps we should go to a socialist system where both candidates get equal air time...