John McCain Caught on Video Lying America Into War

In reviewing John McCain's website lately, we can see...hmmm...Iraq, Iraq, more Iraq, Afghanistan...and oh! look, more Iraq! How surprising.

Just go back to 2002 and you can see how the Iraq war was rolled out specifically to coincide with the midterm elections. Hell, Dubya passed the resolution of war with Iraq a mere week prior to the elections.

Let's have a look-see at what John McCain told us in October 2002, weeks before the election. He seems to have jumped the bandwagon and called Saddam a "clear and present danger" who had "his weapons of mass destruction in tact" and that "Saddam Hussein unquestionably has strong incentives to cooperate with al Queda."

Hmmm..don't believe me? Well here's a video for the naysayers:



Okay, so lets roll forward to 2004.

The GOP pressed for a pending attack on Fallujah right before the election and told us that it would "break the back of the insurgency." They told us that George Bush had to be re-elected or else this assault wouldn't happen. Iraq was not just entered into for oil, or to liberate the Iraqi people.

Brace yourselves:


The Iraq War, since before it was even launched, was set to be undertaken and sustained for one main reason: Republicans wanted to restore an atmosphere of war because they felt it could be used to win elections.

Now lets look at 2008.

What we do know:

1. There was never any justification for invading Iraq.
2. This war was pushed with fraud and propaganda and John McCain was a key player in that fraud.
3. It has dominated 3 straight elections, and now focus is trying to be shifted back onto it.

The media, disgustingly, continues to hammer Obama saying that he "didn't support the Surge" and McCain did, and now Obama is changing his stance on Iraq.

If Obama were smart, he would refuse to give the Iraq discussion the time of day seeing as how it was concocted to create a distracting election issue.
It is a distraction from the economy, Global Warming, the national infrastructure, and education issues. And now, John McSame is suggesting that some "victory" is possible in Iraq because of "The Surge."

The sad reality is that half a trillion dollars, thousands upon thousands of American lives, tens of thousands of Iraqi civilian lives, three elections, and countless hours of national discussion later, we are trapped in a war that never had any justification and was sold to us on lies from John McCain's own mouth. Good boy McCain, you successfully became the puppet voice for Bush to spread his propaganda. You should go bake yourself a cake with "I am number 1!" written on it.

Not a single damn additional minute should be taken from our lives discussing Iraq.

There was no threat.

There is no excuse for continuing this war. Period.

We've lost so much. Trillions...yes...TRILLIONS of dollars and tens of thousands of lives. What more is there to say. It's over.
Iraq and anything to do with it is just a GOP manufactured distraction from actual issues. As Obama has said, all that is left to do now is set the mission to end the nonsense.
I applaud you Obama.

Since 2002, John McCain took to lying to America about Iraq to aid GOP election chances.

Wait, wait...I wanna hear McSame say it in his own words, again from the video:

"By voting to give the President the ability to wage war, we assume and share his responsibility for the war's outcome... we have a choice - the men and women who wear the uniform of our country, and might lose their lives in service to our cause do not... we have the responsibility to these men and women to judge responsibly...when we call them to serve, they will make us proud... we should make them proud by showing by showing deliberation, judgment, and statesmanship in the debate that will determine their mission..."

And this man and his supporters DARE question Barack Obama's judgment???
Jesus Christ almighty....

Why single out John McCain when some prominent Democrats were saying the same thing?

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them."
-- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
-- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do"
-- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
-- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003




[edit on 18-7-2008 by RRconservative]

Look, the Iraq war seemed pretty imminent from 1993-1998. There was years of conflict with Iraq that lead most Americans to believe Saddam was a major threat. The Bush administration simply used the same rhetoric, intelligence and reasons to invade Iraq.

Anyone who says they lied and we were all duped is either ignorant or lying outright.

Originally posted by RRconservative
Why single out John McCain when some prominent Democrats were saying the same thing?

Because John McCain is running for president and trying to bring the Iraq war back into focus as a means of distraction.

Originally posted by Dronetek
Anyone who says they lied and we were all duped is either ignorant or lying outright.

Care to share your logic in that statement? I didn't find it in your post.

Originally posted by Mad_Hatter

Originally posted by RRconservative
Why single out John McCain when some prominent Democrats were saying the same thing?

Because John McCain is running for president and trying to bring the Iraq war back into focus as a means of distraction.

Originally posted by Dronetek
Anyone who says they lied and we were all duped is either ignorant or lying outright.

Care to share your logic in that statement? I didn't find it in your post.

The logic is that you must ignore a lot of facts to come to the premise of your argument. That bush or anyone in congress lied to get us in to the Iraq war.

Because John McCain is running for president and trying to bring the Iraq war back into focus as a means of distraction.

Would you have the same opinion if Gore was running as Obama's VP?

As to your other point, McCain is actually trying to be realistic about Iraq. I don't support him for president, but on Iraq hes got it right. You cant leave a country you've destroyed, while you're on the verge of success. Thats not warmongering, its responsible.

[edit on 18-7-2008 by Dronetek]

Originally posted by Mad_Hatter

Because John McCain is running for president and trying to bring the Iraq war back into focus as a means of distraction.

Since when was the Iraq war out of focus? Since we started winning it? I blame the media for that. Good news doesn't go over too well with the drive-by media.

"By voting to give the President the ability to wage war, we assume and share his responsibility for the war's outcome... we have a choice"

I see nothing wrong with the quote you mentioned. He is saying what is true. Bush asked for the ability to wage war and Congress agreed to give him that ability. As a result, they, Republicans and Democrats, are all responsible for every aspect of that war, including the loss of lives from both countries. They are also responsible for making sure that the US has a clear and concise plan to achieve their goals unlike the Vietnam war.

I also don't believe he is trying to make the war an issue to win an election. Whether you like it or not it was and is an issue in this election. If it isn't an issue then why does Obama speak about it so much. Obama even has a plan for the Iraq war.

Originally posted by Dronetek

Because John McCain is running for president and trying to bring the Iraq war back into focus as a means of distraction.

Would you mind presenting these facts for the sake of debate instead of continuously telling me I am avoiding them?

Would you have the same opinion if Gore was running as Obama's VP?

As to your other point, McCain is actually trying to be realistic about Iraq. I don't support him for president, but on Iraq hes got it right. You cant leave a country you've destroyed, while you're on the verge of success. Thats not warmongering, its responsible.

Yes, I would have the same opinion. I personally don't believe either Obama or McCain is fit to run for president. And Obama's solution of getting us out of Iraq is a pretty favorable one IMO. We can still help Iraq without constantly occupying it and dying there.

Originally posted by RRconservative

Originally posted by Mad_Hatter

Because John McCain is running for president and trying to bring the Iraq war back into focus as a means of distraction.

Since when was the Iraq war out of focus? Since we started winning it? I blame the media for that. Good news doesn't go over too well with the drive-by media.

You're right, it wasn't ever really out of focus, I should have worded that differently. My point is that the Iraq war is a distraction point for the real pressing issues at hand. Like the welfare of our country.

Originally posted by jam321
"By voting to give the President the ability to wage war, we assume and share his responsibility for the war's outcome... we have a choice"

I see nothing wrong with the quote you mentioned. He is saying what is true. Bush asked for the ability to wage war and Congress agreed to give him that ability. As a result, they, Republicans and Democrats, are all responsible for every aspect of that war, including the loss of lives from both countries. They are also responsible for making sure that the US has a clear and concise plan to achieve their goals unlike the Vietnam war.

I also don't believe he is trying to make the war an issue to win an election. Whether you like it or not it was and is an issue in this election. If it isn't an issue then why does Obama speak about it so much. Obama even has a plan for the Iraq war.

Yes, the granted Bush the ability to go to war, but for what justified reason? I can't name one shred of truth in any reason they gave for us going to war with that country. Not saying I am right, because I'm sure there are those more knowledgable on the subject than I, but it is from my own observations that I form my opinion.

The Iraq war is an issue like you say. Hell, we are already there, we might as well talk about it. And Obama's plan is one for ending the nonsense.

He's not lying at all if you flip these words around




The American Government / Saddam Hussein

N.W.O. / Al Qaeda

Americans / Iraqis

he / we




try it out. It's laughable. He actually makes sense when you use this formula.



[edit on 7/19/2008 by JPhish]

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hahahaha... How true.

And I just want to add that at least my argument against McSame is valid. At least I'm not arguing imaginary points about how he may be a secret muslim or had his birth certificate altered.

[edit on 7/19/2008 by Mad_Hatter]

Originally posted by RRconservative
Why single out John McCain when some prominent Democrats were saying the same thing?

Easy! Because THEY are not running for president! McCain is!

Please keep this on topic and stop trying to derail this with "But dems are just as bad" Haven't you heard, the Pumas aren't voting democratic this year :-)

Would you mind presenting these facts for the sake of debate instead of continuously telling me I am avoiding them?

The fact you don't know is very telling. I'm not here to teach you history. Why don't you lay out why you think it was all a lie and than I'll refute it.

Originally posted by RRconservative
Why single out John McCain when some prominent Democrats were saying the same thing?
[edit on 18-7-2008 by RRconservative]

Why single out democrats who arent even running for president?

John McCain is running for president, that is why he gets singled out.

Originally posted by Dronetek

Would you mind presenting these facts for the sake of debate instead of continuously telling me I am avoiding them?

The fact you don't know is very telling. I'm not here to teach you history. Why don't you lay out why you think it was all a lie and than I'll refute it.

Did you even read my first post? I think it about sums it up. On the contrary the fact that you don't know is very telling. I wrote a whole post on the matter and you have not presented anything to support your argument.

I submitted a video that clearly shows John McCain giving all the false reasons for going to war. Instead of telling me that I don't know anything, why don't you give some information to back up all your one sentence opinions?

So holler back at me when you actually have something to debate instead of continuously just telling me I'm wrong without backing it up. Thanks!

[edit on 7/19/2008 by Mad_Hatter]

Originally posted by Mad_Hatter
In reviewing John McCain's website lately, we can see...hmmm...Iraq, Iraq, more Iraq, Afghanistan...and oh! look, more Iraq! How surprising.

Just go back to 2002 and you can see how the Iraq war was rolled out specifically to coincide with the midterm elections. Hell, Dubya passed the resolution of war with Iraq a mere week prior to the elections.

I think saying this was a lie is unfounded as all of them that voted this were given the same intelligence from bush. If they were lied to, it is my understanding that wouldn't be a lie he was telling.

unless you can prove he knew unequivocally Iraq had no wmd's and wasn't deceived like everyone else, I think you are mistaken

- Con

I submitted a video that clearly shows John McCain giving all the false reasons for going to war. Instead of telling me that I don't know anything, why don't you give some information to back up all your one sentence opinions?

What do you mean by false reasons? You cant go back with hindsight and claim it was a lie, without addressing the decade leading up to the Invasion.

-1992 Al Gore attacks Bush 41 for not taking out Saddam. He cites WMD, Terror links and freeing the Iraqi people as reasons we should have gone in.


-All through the 90's Saddam kicks out inspectors, even shooting at them at times.

-Clinton threatens war several times, culminating in 1998 when Saddam kicked out UNSCOM inspectors.
www.mideastweb.org...

-Both Republicans and Democrats ask Clinton to do something about Saddam.
www.e-thepeople.org...

Committee on Armed Services,
Washington, DC, October 9, 1998.

The President,
The White House, Washington, DC.


Dear Mr. President: We are writing to express our concern over recent developments in Iraq .

Last February, the Senate was working on a resolution supporting military action if diplomacy did not succeed in convincing Saddam Hussein to comply with the United Nations Security Council resolutions concerning the disclosure and destruction of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction.

In light of these developments, we urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraq sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs.

-In the end, Saddam let inspectors in, only to kick them out again.

-UNSCOM finished up their mission, with Butler explaining, "We cannot confirm the state of the Iraq WMD program."

Now, I'm not saying there weren't dissenting views. The President and the Congress had to make a decision base don all the information. They decided we need to take him out. Not just for WMD, but for the 14 ignored resolution and the treatment of his people. Remember also that the original cease fire agreement had been torn to shreds, multiple times over by 2003.

To say they lied, or that John McCain lied is just unintellectual, partisan rubbish.

The GOP pressed for a pending attack on Fallujah right before the election and told us that it would "break the back of the insurgency." They told us that George Bush had to be re-elected or else this assault wouldn't happen. Iraq was not just entered into for oil, or to liberate the Iraqi people.

We went in to Fallujah , because that's where they were massing at the time and they decided to burn than hang those contractors on a bridge. Its no coincidence that Fallujah is 100 times better now than it was before the insurgent route. Next they went to Al'Anbar/Ramadi, where my brothers and friends fought daily. Now the Iraqis are fighting with us and against the foreign fighters (AQI).

I could ask you what ever happened to the "civil war" rhetoric from the democrats? What happened to Murtha's charge that the Haditha Marines were "cold blooded killers"? Both of which put our troops in greater danger and were obviously a political ploys to win an elections.


I'll match wits with you on Fallujah and Ramadi all day. Its my specialty.

[edit on 19-7-2008 by Dronetek]

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Thanks for the info! That's all I was asking for. There's no reason to get all mad and add me to your foe list. Real mature. But thanks for the info, I will read it soon and respond. I don't have time at the moment.

America has lost the war in every sense of the word lost!

that Mcain has the nerve to stand in front of the American people for the presidency ,shows that they have contempt for the American people and know that the vast majority of them don't know what the hell is going on period.
Al-CIA-da is an American invention.
Mcain is a disgrace to America ,but since they murdered JFK gangsters have been in power in America. Today we are reaching the culmination of their gutting,raping and looting of America.
while the infrastructure crumbles all around and cities like Cleveland Boston ETC look more bombed out than Bagdad .
If Americans knew what these gangsters did to them in the last 40 years they would have blood in their eyes.