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Originally posted by argentus
Where is the oil? How it the world could any country think that by knocking off the government head that they could then, what, seize the oil, ship it back to the US and allied nations? Do you really believe this, or has it just sounded good over the years. I'm really curious.
Pretty sure assassination is an act of war.
And the man's assassination would only lead to one of his far more insane sons taking the reigns.
The fact is the world isn't that simple - This isn't a video-game where the death of one character wins the level and peace and butterflies reign supreme.
Originally posted by DaleGribble
I don’t even own a tv..
Originally posted by Iblis
i. Can you describe to me one nation's people which unanimously consider America the most violent nation is modern times? I can name a host of African nations which foot the bill, particularly via genocide, let alone some Eastern European or Asian countries. Just because you're bias leads you to see the vocal minorities opinion of the United States and not address the others does not make it reality.
iii. No question about being the number on the arms manufacturer, but let's elaborate on that.
First, America sells the most expensive weapons in the world, which certainly helps. That's like saying Armani outsells Target-brand clothing cash-wise. Of course they're not, but the price-tag certainly impacts the equation.
Furthermore, let's see who the U.S. sells to, mainly. The Netherlands? Thaiwan? Canada? Australia?
Truly, dictatorships at their worse.
I'd much rather see the United States sell PAC-3 Anti-Ballistic Missile systems than have an equal amount of money being used to purchase Russian AK-74's and RPG-7's.
Originally posted by alienstar
Sarin gas is the exact same stuff used in the movie The Rock.
Originally posted by Lokey13
I wonder how many WMD's we have????
Sir, you are from the beautiful Emerald Island, and I do not think you realize how much oil America has, right now. Using off shore drilling and new tech on old wells, and new major oil field discoveries, we can use ONLY our own oil for 1,000 years at current consumption. We did not, emphatically not, invade over an imaginary oil shortage. The fact is that these elites consider us to be too dumb to figure out how to deal with the knowledge that they are privy to. Sometimes they claim to be genuinely concerned about the slaughter of the Kurds, and the terrible living conditions that had occured during Husseins rule. But Mark Twain once said that 'The only difference between reality and fiction, is that fiction has to be credible'. Or you have heard 'truth is stranger than fiction.' So what other reasons may there be? I did some research on here, and found those claiming that there are massive tunnel systems, dating back thousands of years, that Saddam was frantically searching for alien tech. Ostensibly one Star Gate. The same people also claim that we already had a Star Gate from aliens at the Greada Treaty in the '50s, at Edwards AFB. But getting unfettered access to the first human civilization, and the supposed alien tech there, is a possible tho not very plausible, reason.
Originally posted by mind is the universe
Originally posted by Blaine91555
reply to post by mind is the universe
Got anything intelligent to add to this topic. I suspect you would have posted proof that statement was wrong if you had any. If you are saying those shells never existed, cough up the proof?
What's your opinion of Saddam by the way? Love him, hate him; what? Was he a good man? Was he and his kid's right in how they treated people? Did the hundreds of thousands they killed and tortured deserve what happened to them? How would you have removed him if you had to decide?
You didn't answer my question on the previous page.
Firstly my opinion of him, was that hes just a puppet to do what the elites always wanted him to do. Be a dictator, do the work, then the elites overthrow him.
Secondly. I said exactly what I said, because the media protray him to be what suits best at the particular time of such. The same way its suit George W. Bush to be protrayed as dumb by the media when hes obviously not. Saddam was merely a puppet given the power and opportunites to all the destruction he ever wanted to do. Most of the weapons were given to him, by the American government. America has WMDs too. Sells arms to dictators, so I guess you should use your intellegence now
George Senior could of killed him if he wanted too, back in the gulf era. He didn't. My point on been good or bad, makes alot of sense
To George he was good, as business was been done (Saddam was a bad man regardless)
To George he was bad suddenly, when Saddam didn't want to do any business with him. Meanwhile Saddam was killing people, during the business, and after the business. Did the American Government really give a flying sushi of the people been killed.... Give me a break.
It was business, so In George Senior's eyes he was good, and when there was no busniess then he was automatically bad.
The Iraq war and Saddam put their, was all part of the control and planning to create the war we are in today.
Finally another war was not the answer to just remove Saddam. The UN were in the process of dealing with this matter carefully. He was heavily sanctioned. Saddam was very weak shortly before America attacked. Saddam was not a threat to America either. The way it has been handled over the last 8 years was absurd. George Bush just wanted his head on his plate to get the oil. This exactly how this war has been handled. There were talks, no proper plan or anything sensible to achieve. But the American government behave like a bunch of bullies with an agenda. That is bottom line here.
[edit on 18-7-2008 by mind is the universe]
WASHINGTON - In his final word, the CIA’s top weapons inspector in Iraq said Monday that the hunt for weapons of mass destruction has “gone as far as feasible” and has found nothing, closing an investigation into the purported programs of Saddam Hussein that were used to justify the 2003 invasion.
Another addendum also noted that military forces in Iraq may continue to find small numbers of degraded chemical weapons — most likely misplaced or improperly destroyed before the 1991 Gulf War. In an insurgent’s hands, “the use of a single even ineffectual chemical weapon would likely cause more terror than deadlier conventional explosives,” another addendum said.
President Bush, Vice President Cheney and other top administration officials asserted before the U.S. invasion in March 2003 that Iraq was reconstituting its nuclear weapons program, had chemical and biological weapons, and maintained links to al Qaeda affiliates to whom it might give such weapons to use against the United States.
Originally posted by Gregarious
Sir, you are from the beautiful Emerald Island, and I do not think you realize how much oil America has, right now. Using off shore drilling and new tech on old wells, and new major oil field discoveries, we can use ONLY our own oil for 1,000 years at current consumption. We did not, emphatically not, invade over an imaginary oil shortage.
The fact is that these elites consider us to be too dumb to figure out how to deal with the knowledge that they are privy to.
A million more are dead, There is nothing to be proud of the disgraceful behaviour. Every elite and moron in the whitehouse should be in jail for causing this genocide and war.
Many despots in the ME are very nervous right now because we ARE having an impact on peoples in the ME, cleaning up and repairing the Iraqi infrastructure, helping them. Marines I have talked to will tell you that. They are proud of it, and most are quite willing to go back, unlike Vietnam.
The elites want control, war, and power. Its down to control. Simple.
But like Vietnam, I have to wonder what is in it for the elite. Ostensibly
Originally posted by mind is the universe
A million more are dead, There is nothing to be proud of the disgraceful behaviour. Every elite and moron in the whitehouse should be in jail for causing this genocide and war.
Originally posted by Damocles
he STILL had a viable petrochemical industrial infrastructure. how long do you think it takes a pesticide factory to retool to turn out Sarin or VX? (hint: not long)
Originally posted by jerico65
Do you actually know what Genocide is? Because if you did, you wouldn't be applying it to Iraq.
I'm proud of what I did over there. People got to vote, and I think we had a big part in helping that along. Friends I know have built schools, wells, hospitals.