Sarkozy: Ireland needs to vote on Lisbon again

Originally posted by nablator
What I heard on the radio yesterday was Ireland could approve the treaty after MANY amendments. After all if only 1.5% of the people who voted no change their opinion, it will be 50/50.

Which part of NO! don't people get? Why should they vote again? what? so some French scumbag can get a golden handshake at the end of his service like Tony B liar did?

The totalitarian nature of these people shines through when Ireland, a DEMOCRACY, votes NO, and they stampede to get another vote.

Just like all the other votes across europe - you will vote and vote again until they in control get what they want.

reply to post by nablator


Still... one of the eldest leading Danish politicians in the parliament has state that this treaty holds not a single paragraph that is for the benefit of the people, of course it all helps the further centralization of power like the facists want.

The Irish need to be informed about this so that it remains 52/48

Tell that French Zionist prick to go fark himself, my Irish mates!!!

reply to post by flice

I don't understand why most politicians want the treaty when most people are against. Are they all sold to the NWO or what? In Ireland the three main political party leaders were campaigning in favour of the treaty. France and Holland voted NO in 2005 to the constitution referendum, whose fist part was similar to the Lisbon treaty. How many negative votes does it take for them to give up?

I think Ireland SHOULD vote again. Hopefully when they say NO again (Not that they should have to) we might start pressuring our own governments to retract their decissions and give us all a vote...

Originally posted by umbr45
I think Ireland SHOULD vote again. Hopefully when they say NO again (Not that they should have to) we might start pressuring our own governments to retract their decissions and give us all a vote...

Are you sure? I think for a country with about 0.7% of the EU population...they are just going to get booted out...Vote yes or get out....atleast thas the vibe im getting...they aint going back to the drawing board again with this one i think...

reply to post by Dermo


French economy is in trouble.. the belief is if Ireland has to sign the treaty, their biggest corporations will no longer have steep tax advantages over other European countries (IE being the lowest) and would even out corporate investment in the bigger economies as they have fled into "cheaper" regions .. like Eastern Europe and other low tax areas like Ireland.

Essentially ... if Ireland signs the treaty, being on the very brink of recession .. it will be a "final nail in the coffin" and the Irish economy would tumble -- call it sacrificing the Irish if you will -- ...

Ireland's biggest employers/tax revenue are already complaining about the cost of hiring Irish workers .. but the low taxes have thus far kept them there .. Dell and Intel are already planning on moving to India, and a tax increase to the new European minimum will literally force them out -- Ireland will see unemployment spike, inflation spike, house prices drop ... Tourism won't be to hot this year with World currencies out of whack..

A complete 180º switch back to the early 1990's.

Seriously .. how effin dare the Irish stand up for themselves .. apparently France didn't like it.

I do believe it will pass the second time .. and I hope you all riot in the streets of Dublin over it. It will pass, even if the vote has to be fixed.

Dont worry, The EU will not be completed before the next world war. After we will all have to fight the one world government so save your energy for that because we are going to need it.

Sarko is just saying this because he has to now that it is Frances turn to lead. I personally think that he really dont care if the Irish say no. Be thankful we have him instead of that evil corrupt Chirac.

We need Sarko, He is making France a better country, He is uniting with NATO again and helping out unlike before. He is not an Israeli bashing communist like Chirac.

Sarkozy is an ignorant and disgraceful Politician, he should respect the irish decision.. we should not be pressured into changing our minds

I just hope that if the Irish government does decide to hold a second referendum that more people come out and vote no.

But juging by the reactions of the irish politicians it looks like it will be well after sakozy reign when it will be put to the people of ireland again

Foreign Minister Micheal Martin said Ireland would not be bullied.

We're not entertaining any prospect or any bullying from anybody," he said. "We'll be looking at it from an Irish perspective and what's in the best interests of Ireland."

A senior Irish government source told the BBC that "we don't want to have a row with Mr Sarkozy". The government "does not know exactly what Mr Sarkozy said [to UMP deputies]," he added.

But some Irish politicians were sharply critical of President Sarkozy.

Opposition Labour Party leader Eamon Gilmore said the French leader had "seriously put his foot in it".

And Sinn Fein's Aengus O Snodaigh called Mr Sarkozy's comments "deeply insulting" to the Irish people.

source

So, the EU president wants them to keep voting until they 'get it right'. Sad testimony. It is possible that he is just playing the game, but in the end, the Lisbon Treaty has already been defeated by the very thing they wanted to control; the human tendency to demand self-determinism in their governance.

Poor global market masterminds. They are probably sulking right now. But the real question is, how will they 'punish us' now, oil, food, water, air?

Hang on tight.

In the netherlands a few years ago we had to vote for a new european constition and was rejected by the dutch people. So the changed it slightly and our government decided not to let us vote again and ofcourse accepted it.
I dont know how it'll go in Ireland, but a big chance they will have it slammed down their throats as well.
Our democracies seem to be falling

reply to post by flice


[slaps forehead]

I was at work, speed-reading is a curse!

Originally posted by nablator
I don't understand why most politicians want the treaty when most people are against. Are they all sold to the NWO or what?

Oh, but you must remember my friend - the politicians know what's best for the country . The people are not educated enough on any of the issues to make a democratic decision. We are not to be trusted. Our word is not to be taken as significant. Seriously though, we all get treated like children who require their Mothers to hold their hands and tell them right from wrong. The subject of this thread is a prime example.

reply to post by Cythraul


Hehe, yeah, that's true. Ironic though how they find us educated enough to "choose" a person to speak for us.
If you think about it... politicians today are no more educated than any man, they just have a innate knack for shouting louder than anyone else and appear to believe what they are saying. In my time I don't remember a single election where they didn't fill us with crap in order to get elected.

We are long overdue for a revolt...

reply to post by umbr45


why the heck do you need us to vote no a second time to do that? if being asked to vote a second time not enough for you then why would a no vote be? the fact that you didn't get a vote should be enough for you, there's no point in passing the responsibility for your actions onto the irish.

reply to post by Truther


Go Ireland, you give them Hell!

make them try to get you to vote on this 1000times and keep saying No

i just Love democracy

The lisbon treaty, formerly know as the European constitution has already been rejected by Sarkozy's own countrymen in a referendum, as did the dutch. Clearly, the ordinary european doesn't really want this.

Having campaigned, in my own little way, for a no vote, I found the vast forces arrayed for the yes campaign quite startling. Almost the entirity of the political class, the exception being the pahria of irish politics, Sinn Fein. The trade unions, most of anyway, the irish business organization IBEQ, anyone who was anyone basically. The irish media in general were most biased, e.g. the guitarist from "the corrs", jim corr was interviewed on a popular drive time radio show (matt cooper of todayfm), poor jim tried to explain the illuminati/NWO motive behind the referendum. You can only imagine the ridicule Jim Corr was subjected to over the next three days. This blatant attempt to discredit the NO campaign was capped the following sunday morning, again on the same station, where a prominent journalist with "the irish times" stated that whereas she sympathised with alot of the NO campiagns points, she was still voting YES, "as the NO campaigners all seemed to be LUNATICS!".
This is only one example of the kind of pressures that were brought to bear on the irish electorate. But for the work of a Mr. Declan Ganley and his Libertas movement (whoever they are ) there wouldn't have been a NO campaign.

So i would ask Mr Sarkozy, given the forces arrayed for a Yes vote and the tactics they used and the defeat they suffered, how does he think a new refendum would change anything?
As an irishman, i can assure Sarcozy, that if you try to force "paddy" to do something, "paddy" will tell to f*** off!!! (apologies to the moderater, but there are time when harsh language is appropriate)

[edit on 17-7-2008 by feoil]

Why to go, Ireland!!! Tell Sarkozy and his NWO ilk to go to fekking hell! These are truly the darkest days of mankind when tyrannical governments are permitted to run roughshod over the will of the people and still pretend to be a democracy!

Down with the EU! Down with Supra-nation states! Down with the WTO! Down with the NWO! And down with anything that takes sovereignty out of the hands of individual nations!

Just goes to show how little he understands the history of Ireland

Eire had a prolonged and bloody battle for independence from the British - why would the Irish be intimidated by some off hand comment from the surrender monkeys?

Or indeed give up that independence without scrutinising everything they are being asked to sign away???

Ireland has the fastest growing economy now. They have lowered taxes and its pure stimulation for its peoples. If they can get the houseing crisis under controll they would NOT need the EU. Hell, if the Eu kicks them out..many here in the US would love to have them as our 51st state!!!

...waiting for the howls!!!!

Zindo