Four Challenges to Darwin's Evolution Theory

Ok... I know that there has been a thread on ATS about this... Pretty sure with the same questions. As for the ultimate conclusion, I'm pretty sure it just ended with people gradually loosing interest with the thread, and insulting each others.
Lemme give you an example why these threads never go anywhere:
The Grand Canyon is cited as a excellent example for Young Earthers, Old Earthers, and ID-sts.
So, generally these thread end up with "My idea is right, and you are stupid!" "Nuh uh, my idea is right, and YOU are stupid!"
Valid points and arguements get lost in the shuffle, and most members just ignore the nonsense. I long ago realized the whole mess is apparently over my head, I just ignore it for the most part. I'm also getting sick of being called an athiest.
A search on ATS should find the other threads, pretty sure Big Whammy started at least one, Bad Astronomy does have a good read about a discussion between a YE Creationist, and a OE Evolutionist.